TheJoat 40 Posted April 2, 2015 Wow. Now I am so glad I play with real friends. This has NEVER come up. Why would I play with people who want to touch the board all of the time? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Klutz 1,590 Posted April 2, 2015 (edited) So, I wrote to FFG and just got a response... Rules Question:Are players, in tournament play, permitted to put their finger/hand down on the play mat to visualize the position of their ship after a boost, barrel roll, decloak, or maneuver? Example: If I'm flying a TIE Interceptor, can I put my finger down where I think a Barrel Roll will put me?Or does this fall under the "players may not pre-measure and may only use their eyes" rule? Response:It does. Players should refrain from using their hands or fingers to make any measurements in strict tournament play. Cheers,Alex DavyCreative Content DeveloperFantasy Flight Games I look forward to the "emails aren't official and could be faked" comments.<sarcasm> Also, I will now be using my feet to make measurements, as it was not specifically forbidden and is a grey area. </sarcasm> Edited April 2, 2015 by Klutz 1 Smuggler reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevenO 2,996 Posted April 2, 2015 When it comes to taking emails as 100% right I'd just remind everyone of the great dial debate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parravon 5,217 Posted April 3, 2015 When it comes to taking emails as 100% right I'd just remind everyone of the great dial debate. Oh, please don't go down that road again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parravon 5,217 Posted April 3, 2015 We got a hands off policy for our events, so it thankfully curbed the only goon doing it. Yet he's now moved on to new shenanigans... ... such as? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WWHSD 9,273 Posted April 3, 2015 Wow. Now I am so glad I play with real friends. This has NEVER come up. Why would I play with people who want to touch the board all of the time? I've never had anyone complain when I do it and I commonly see people I play touching the board when deciding whether or not to boost or barrel-roll. My guess is that the acceptabity of this practice is a local culture type of thing because I've got almost the opposite reaction, why would I want to play with people that get bent out of shape when all I did was touch the board? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Klutz 1,590 Posted April 3, 2015 When it comes to taking emails as 100% right I'd just remind everyone of the great dial debate.Oh, please don't go down that road again?In the same line of thought...When it comes to taking the FAQ or Tournament Rules as 100% right, I'd just remind everyone of the recent case of evade tokens vs autoblaster, and the change from SoS to MoV last year. 2 Smuggler and Buhallin reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevenO 2,996 Posted April 3, 2015 When it comes to taking emails as 100% right I'd just remind everyone of the great dial debate. Oh, please don't go down that road again? You mean the road that has some saying an email received is always right even when it turns out it is not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parravon 5,217 Posted April 3, 2015 No, I mean the road that leads to locked threads because everyone loses their cool. And as for emails, the designers have the right to change their minds if they see fit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buhallin 4,563 Posted April 3, 2015 When it comes to taking emails as 100% right I'd just remind everyone of the great dial debate. Oh, please don't go down that road again? You mean the road that has some saying an email received is always right even when it turns out it is not? As Klutz so eloquently points out, the FAQ also undergoes similar changes. Honestly, at this point I believe there have been more FAQ-printed rulings reversed than there have been email-received reversals. Should we treat the FAQ with the same (or more!) skepticism, because it's been wrong more often? Nobody has ever claimed that emails are always 100% right and will never change. Is an email guaranteed to always be the absolute final word on any and all rulings? No, of course not, because there is no such thing. What people argue is that a reliably-sourced email should be considered the equivalent of any other communication from the devs - the best guidance we have for consistent play on what would otherwise be a "Dice it off every game" rules question. 3 Smuggler, Stronghammer and Klutz reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scarloochie 84 Posted April 3, 2015 We got a hands off policy for our events, so it thankfully curbed the only goon doing it. Yet he's now moved on to new shenanigans... ... such as? Scouting folks' list before handing in his own, not declaring his actions (leading to reroll a han reroll, then going oh well might as well rewind and reroll the whole chain again...) the list goes on. Oh wells at least he doesn't test placement with his hands during the planning phase and when deciding whether or not to boost or roll for the time being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parravon 5,217 Posted April 3, 2015 Well, this dude's blatantly cheating. You need to harden up on him. If he doesn't declare actions and does this often it's abusing the missed opportunity rule. I'd just tell him it's too late, remember it next time. When he's scouting lists, is he then changing his? If this is the case, get everyone to submit them at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scarloochie 84 Posted April 3, 2015 Yeah, the hammer's coming down on this guy... well's he'll probably drift onto another game... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parravon 5,217 Posted April 4, 2015 Yeah, the hammer's coming down on this guy... well's he'll probably drift onto another game... Players like this, you don't need. Send him off to play 40K or something. 3 JESIV, Stronghammer and Scarloochie reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scarloochie 84 Posted April 4, 2015 Yeah, the hammer's coming down on this guy... well's he'll probably drift onto another game... Players like this, you don't need. Send him off to play 40K or something. Can't, they booted him already... 4 Parravon, Forensicus, Robin Graves and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordJugrnot 0 Posted May 1, 2015 Wow, that's quite the thread. I've recently become a TO for a couple of my local game stores and have not come across anything like finger measuring, however I do notice other quirks like moving multiple ships and declaring mass focus actions. As for the OP, I believe it comes down to sportsmanship and player respect. The TO should clarify what they deem acceptable before the tourney starts... IF you know this is happening in your area, bring it up, as a group you make a ruling. Anyone who does not like the ruling (including yourself) can suck it up and play a great game OR go play else where. Even better just don't play against that person if you don't like how they play just like any other game. I openly admit I suck at math so my lists are built on what I think is fun and cool to fly where some friends build theirs based on stats, math and forum builds. I however have a good sense of guessing distance in game where they do not. Its all part of the game, you play, have fun, kick yourself at missed opportunities, win/loose, then play again. I just want to say I appreciate everyones input so far with the rules, it has been a big help with clarifying things that have come up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
