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Unions don't suck when they act in good faith. If you're going to strike, then strike. Strike for as long as you have the stomach (and strike fund) for. But don't take a paycheck while slowing work down to a fraction of its usual speed.

 

I'm not pro-management, but I can't be pro-union in this longshoreman case, and not just because of my gaming stuff being delayed.

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FFG seem to have a very odd distribution process where some of their items are shipped directly (to Europe say), and others come via the States first and then are shipped out. This results in the oddity where some items are released weeks earlier in Europe than the states, and then some others Europe have to wait weeks after it has been announced as being released (and then yet others come out at roughly the same time.

 

For example, I think the Wave 4 re-stocks have come to Europe, as a local shop has finally been able to get some, while that announcement lists them as still delayed.

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Maybe if the company they work for wasn't a cheap ass and trying to get blood out of the stone and gave their workers better working conditions and pensions the staff at the place would resume their work.

You are aware that many of those people make 6 figure salaries and have free healthcare right?  When I found out about that when this all started I was like "wow, is there an opening?".

 

You are also aware that in many foreign countries a vast majority of their work is now automated.  Gee, if it costs more to pay all these people than it would to just replace them with robots, I wonder how long it will take the US to do that.... Honestly I'm surprised we didn't do it already

 

I'm not necessarily saying I all pro-management anti-union but the idea that these people have it so hard is difficult for me to believe.  There are many people in the US who would kill for their job.

 

True story: Every company is cheap-ass.  You know why? Because why pay money when you don't have to?  Every company I have worked for (now 4) requires a lengthy process any time you want to spend more than $50 on something you need for work.

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By some industry estimates this strike is costing US businesses well over a Billion dollars a day

 

That amount is staggering.

 

Perhaps its time to send a Dark Lord who can find new ways to motivate them.

Obama sent the US Secretary of Labor.  I seriously doubt he has Darth Vader's...charisma....but hopefully it will help.

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6 figures and free healthcare and still have room to gripe. Meanwhile there's more skilled workers getting paid less. This is why I said earlier that unions suck. They inflate the cost of employees then go on strike every time they can't get their way. What's that do for the economy? It increases costs of other goods and services, and when they go on strike they screw up everyone else. Meanwhile they get to manhandle the owner of the business. They call all the shots without any risk. Owners have all risk and no control. What a shame...

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Turmoil has engulfed the

Galactic Republic. The taxation

of trade routes to outlying star

systems is in dispute.

 

Hoping to resolve the matter

with a blockade of deadly

battleships, the greedy Trade

Federation has stopped all

shipping to the small planet of

Naboo.

 

While the congress of the

Republic endlessly debates

this alarming chain of events,

the Supreme Chancellor has

secretly dispatched two Jedi

Knights, the guardians of

peace and justice in the

galaxy, to settle the conflict....

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6 figures and free healthcare and still have room to gripe. Meanwhile there's more skilled workers getting paid less. This is why I said earlier that unions suck. They inflate the cost of employees then go on strike every time they can't get their way. What's that do for the economy? It increases costs of other goods and services, and when they go on strike they screw up everyone else. Meanwhile they get to manhandle the owner of the business. They call all the shots without any risk. Owners have all risk and no control. What a shame...

Meanwhile, teachers are getting paid less (per hour), than an In-and-Out employee. This is also considering the fact that their unions are constantly fighting to get a cost of living raise after 10 years of stagnant wages. ...Because we all know, teachers are lazy slugs. Edited by eldiablito

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unions are archaic now.  they hurt more than they help.  unions are losing their PR fight, the unions are costing amerika, und the unions are hurting individuals.  my uncle is a farmer...crops are rotting away....    

 

I would say..."keep your stick on the ice...as we are all in this together"  but the unions are not one of us...

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6 figures and free healthcare and still have room to gripe. Meanwhile there's more skilled workers getting paid less. This is why I said earlier that unions suck. They inflate the cost of employees then go on strike every time they can't get their way. What's that do for the economy? It increases costs of other goods and services, and when they go on strike they screw up everyone else. Meanwhile they get to manhandle the owner of the business. They call all the shots without any risk. Owners have all risk and no control. What a shame...

Meanwhile, teachers are getting paid less (per hour), than an In-and-Out employee. This is also considering the fact that their unions are constantly fighting to get a cost of living raise after 10 years of stagnant wages. ...Because we all know, teachers are lazy slugs.

My real point is that these anti-union comments are hyperbole and do not reflect the complexity of every labor/management argument.

Finally, I have not seen any evidence that these dock workers are 6 figure workers. Does anyone have evidence to back this implied claim that dock workers are over-paid?

 

Pacific Maritime Association Average Annual Earnings 2013

 

 

Quote from www.joc.com:

 

How much do West Coast longshoremen earn?

ILWU workers receive a compensation package that is “among the most lucrative among all blue-collar workers in the United States,” according to the PMA. Full-time workers earn an average of $142,000 annually in wages, along with a non-wage benefits package costing more than $82,000 per active worker per year. Pay ranges depend on the job, with regular longshoremen earning less than clerks and both of them earning less than foremen. According to the 2013 Pacific Maritime Association Annual Report, most of the 9,985 “Class A” longshoremen working that year, which comprised those who worked 2,000 or more total hours, earned roughly $137,000 per year, though many earned less and a few of the highest paid longshoremen, those who worked an average of more than 50 hours per week, earned over $200,000. Most clerks earned roughly $147,000, while the highest-paid earned well over $200,000 per year. Walking bosses, or foremen, are the highest-paid ILWU workers, many of them earning well over $200,000 and some more than $300,000. Nearly 13,600 ILWU workers are employed at West Coast ports. In 2013, the total payroll for the nearly 13,600 ILWU members was roughly $1.4 billion.

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