Neil Blomkamp's ALIEN movie is on!

[John Tenzer 301]

Maybe it's Troll-logic...?!

Edited February 20, 2015 by John Tenzer

[Black Knight Leader 424]

 

 

Agreed.

 

Since decanonization has gotten it's precedences (with X-Men, Wolverine and Star Wars), maybe the "Blomkamp-movie" is the best chance to cut off those dead limbs "Aliens 3" and "4" turned out to be - and the dreadful "Prometheus" with them, too....

 

Star Wars hasnt really had any mass decanoization fits. 

 

Now as far as the Alien / AvP / Predator / Prometheus universe canon works it was recently  reconfirmed.  What I mean is what is excepted as canon.  All games , novels, comics, and movies are still canon. 

 

 

Wich doesn't work because I have at least on novel in wich Ripley, Newt and Hicks don't crash (and die) on a prison planet.

Also the end of Prometheus doesn't add up with what we see in aliens.

 

 

Ah but canon works diffrently in that universe.  The way it works is very much like a fairy tale.  Fox is ok with having contradictions between their stories esp the movies, Prometheus being the most contradictive towards the orignal four ALIEN films.

 

Now when you got a story thats told through multiple mediums, ALIEN 3 the movie, ALIEN 3 the novel, ALIEN 3 NES, ALIEN 3 SNES, ALIEN 3 guns, ALIEN 3 D.H. The movie is considered the truest too the true events.  Its kinda like how legends works in SW.  The overall event is canon, the fine details are not if they contradict with the movie.

 

JFYI Fury 161 may really have had a infestation as depicted in ALIEN 3 SNES since they show this happening in AvP Gold.  The Ox runner very well could have been egg morphing the rest of the livestock on Fury 161 as well as other prisoners assumed killed in the "Bah?!" accident.

 

 

Since some people made a list of their fav too least fav movies in this saga I will do the same. 

 

This is my most fav to least fav and IM incuding the three games that are counted as direct sequels to two movies. If a story has the same number as another story above and or below it that means its TIED.

 

1 ALIEN 3 directors cut blu-ray

 

1 ALIENS: COLONIAL MARINES / S.I.

 

1 ALIENS: INFESTATION

 

2 ALIENS directors cut

 

2 ALIENS vs PREDATOR unrated blu-ray

 

2 ALIENS vs PREDATOR Requiem unrated blu-ray

 

2 PREDATOR

 

3 PREDATOR 2

 

4 ALIEN Resurection

 

5 Predators

 

6 ALIEN

 

6 ALIEN ISOLATION

 

7 PROMETHEUS

 

If anyone asks ILL give reasons why these movies are in the order they are in on my list.

 

Yes, please explain why Colonial marines is higher than Aliens dir cut, and why Aliens dir cut isn't in your top 3.

 

 

ALIENS is in my top 3, the three stories listed above it are tied for first.

 

ALIENS: Colonial Marines and Signal Interrupted have very great stories made even better by "ALIENS: Infestation"  alot of people missed that ALIENS: Infestation takes place hours too a day before ALIENS: COLONIAL Marines.  I love every single character in those three stories.  I feel every character including side / supporting characters were given alot of attention to make them actual characters.  Youll lovem or hate them ether way youll have some emotional resvations for every character.

 

JFYI if you havent played ALIENS: Infestation look for TEX and the Marine thats a Frank Castle / Punisher clone.  They are bad ass.  Tex has a all Black M3.

 

ALIENS unfortunatly didnt have every character fleashed out.  Theirs a good number of Marines I just barely care about because they have only two parts.  1) Fill up  space 2) Die.  I would have liked too know who Crow and Weri were besideds being Meat Bags.

 

This is one reason I love ALIEN 3 so much is because you know who every character is, I love all crazy lawbreaking bald one of them.

 

What I also love about ACM so much is  the technical information it provides in universe involving humans and also the strategic and evolutionary offensive / defensive capabilities of the Internecivus Raptus .

 

The Colonial Marines had up too 2000 fully armed troops at LV-426 the fought way less ALIENs than them yet only had 4 survivers while most the ALIENS survive..  Unlike in ALIENS these Marines had nothing holding them back in the fight, and they still lost.  Theirs alot of info so ILL be brief.  This cool stuff this story confirms or reveals.

 

* The chemical weapons W.Y. that were suposed to be able too kill Internecivus Raptus doest work.

 

* The United States Colonial NAVY finally has a crest created for them that the user can see.  Members of that branch have only appeared in the ALIENS: Colonial Marines 1990s comic and "ALIEN Predator deadliest of the Species.

 

*The bio-imperative adaptive capabilities of the Internecivus Raptus was introduced in "Once in a life time" fleashed out more in AvP Extinction and kept true to canon in ALIENS: Colonial Marines. Also the actions taken by the ALIENs stays true too what is shown in AvP Extinction and ALIENS OMNIBUS 6

 

*We get weapon capabilities for some of the Colonial Marine weapons.  Did you know that their firebooms and mostlikely all their napalm type weapons have thermite in their mixtures?  The fire bombs burn at over 2000 c.  We see ALIENs can survive this weapon. 

 

*A Marine Sniper was holding his own agianst the ALIENS.  They sent Rangers to deal with him.  He was the first human from that Battalion too encounter Rangers, he was also the first to be killed by them.  Besides the scripted scenes this shows a high level of combat awarness and the ability to quickly adapt to threats on the ALIENs part.

 

Closing statement

 

Winter and Hicks for the WIN!  KAMIKAZE ACID RANGER FOR THE WIN!

[Jo Jo 4,808]

I think its kind of silly to include both Movies and Video games in a single list. What is this soccer? There should be no ties. Having Alien resurrection above Alien. SMH...

 

Here's my list, close to what others have listed.

 

 

1 Aliens - Pretty much everything you want in an action sci-fi movie. Directors-cut or GTFO

2 Predator - Minigun, predator, and Arnold. nuff said

3 Alien - still Scary. Holds up well today.

4 Predator II - Had pretty good effects for 1990 and it had Gary Busey

5 Predators - Adrien Brody makes the movie. Good action and nice a twist

6 AVP: Requiem  - My guilty pleasure of any of these movies. Its essentially a slasher movie with a Predator and Aliens. Don't give a **** about the people which made it kind of fun. Just loved watching people get owned.

7 Prometheus - Doesn't make a whole lot of sense and leaves you with more questions than answers, but its got great visuals

8 Alien 3 - Boring, really boring.

9 Alien 4 - Dumb, really dumb

10 AVP - Its PG-13, GTFO of here.

Edited February 20, 2015 by Jo Jo

[Black Knight Leader 424]

I think its kind of silly to include both Movies and Video games in a single list. What is this soccer? There should be no ties. Having Alien resurrection above Alien. SMH...

 

Here's my list, close to what others have listed.

 

 

I chose videogames that are considered direct sequals to movies.  I would have liked to make a Saga list but I dont really have the time for it.

 

As for my ties on my list, the listed stories fluctuate around the spots they are tied in.  I judge a movie based on many factors, the movies that tie each have aspects that are better than the other, but when brought together are pretty much tied. 

 

My other issues with "ALIENS" is some of the editing decisions made for every version.  The orignal Predator had the same problem kinda.  They show the same Alien / enemy being killed at diffrent times in the movie.  Also after watching the making of features showed me their was great REALLY GREAT footage of the Aliens in combat, better than what we see in the final edits yet they used the footage that makes the mimes in the suits looked resricted movement wise. 

 

I put Res before ALIEN because of character group dynamics, the revulsion factors is much higher in RES than ALIEN, intended revulsion.  My other problems with ALIEN are the sound effects for Kanes Son.  It sounds like a real earth mammal.  IM sure IV heard those same sounds used in disney movies with animals, unanimated.  I also feel Dan O'Banon doesnt get the credit he deserves for writing ALIEN.  He wrote the story before brandywine edited the story, Mr. Scott gets credit for ever littile thing involving the film when he shouldnt.

 

My problem with Prometheus is very much the same IVE got with Predators.  Its not orignal at all, 99% of this film was stuff we already knew or had seen prettymuch in the other stories.  The things that were orignal in Prometheus were stupid unlike Predators. 

 

I dont have time now but if anyone wanted to see a list of things you may not of known about Prometheus and the material its taken from other stories I can do it later. 

[All Shields Forward 1,917]

If it has Sharlto Copley swearing in it I will see it regardless of reviews.

Fooking drones!!

Edited February 23, 2015 by All Shields Forward

[Black Knight Leader 424]

Just thought you all should lnow Neil has a interview video up on youtube. Its called EXCLU - Alien 5 - Les revelations de Sigourney Weaver - 2016 - Youtube

Neil says he's not decanonizing alien 3 and Res.

[Sithborg 11,644]

Yeah, that doesn't exactly appear to be what was said. He isn't going to be fixing what was done in those movies, but he isn't going to have them affect his story. This is sounding a lot like Superman Returns in that regard. 

[Black Knight Leader 424]

Yeah, that doesn't exactly appear to be what was said. He isn't going to be fixing what was done in those movies, but he isn't going to have them affect his story. This is sounding a lot like Superman Returns in that regard.

Just like I told Robin canon and the way the stories are told in the series is diffrent than oother series, its kinda like 40k. Neil said he won't be decanonizing those films, he also said his films wil be more connected to the first two films. No matter what contradiction may arise you must remember what he said about alien 3 and res and must remember that canon works difrently in that saga.

If your trying to make it out that the only movies that are canon are the ons tha are not contradicted you'll find that the only movies in that saga with littile to no contradiction are the predator films and the avp films.

Aliens contradicts alien, alien 3 contradicts aliens, and in some ways res contradicts alien 3, while Prometheus contradicts alien heavily. So basically if your going to be strict with the contanunity you'll make evrey movie noncanon.

Here's a list of contradictions that can make all those movies non-canon if you don't follow the canon style correctly for the saga.

Aliens contradicts alien

*the escape craft ripley is found in is shorter and thicker than it was in alien

*ripleys helemt has a light mounted to top of thehelemt even though in alien it didn't have a light built into it.

*Kane never ever told anyone howmany eggs were in the derelict ship yet in Aliens Ripley tells everyone that he saw soundands of eggs. Also remember after the face hugger came off him he had next to no memory of the events of that day.

* the aliens look diffrent than the did in alien.

*by sheer bad luck ripley is found in deep space at around the same time the aliens are found on lv-426.

Alien 3 conflicts with aliens

* the Marine ship is now brown instead of dary grey

*everyting in the marine ship is modled diffrently than it was in aliens.

*the marine ship computer shouldn't have a british accent since it is used by the united americas. United kindom has their own colonial forces and they may b hotile towards the united americas.

*the m41a sounds sounds diffrent than it did in aliens

*the pulse rifle fires a 10 mm steel explosive round and because of the way it damages targets humans sould be one shotted by it no matter where they are hit it will always hit a artery with stel fragments. A character survies being shot through he knee with this gun. The knees not only hae a artery going through them but the knees in a since are lik 2nd / third hearts in the human body.

*W.Y. could have this whole time sent many people.to lv-426 since fury 161 is in thesame solar system. Also some how they nenver picked up he jockey distress signal coming from lv-426. They had to be out their longer than the lv-426. Colony based on the state and age of the prison.

Alien Resurrection conflicts with alien 3.

*their was no real reason to have kept a sample of ripleys blood since the prison complex didn't have a proper laboratory. They couldn't even do a dna test to see if the body of the guy they thought was hicks was hicks. It it wasn't hicks.

*Prometheus conflicts with every alien movie

*the jockey race transports the aliens in their most basic form blackgoo / royal jelly, yet in every other medium theyy are transported in their ovomorph form.

*the sace jockey wears a suit that's makes it look like it has the head of a biomechanical elephant. The jockey in alien and avp:r does have a trunk. You can clearly see in alien its not a helemt that the huamns are looking at, you can see its teeth and nothing is mising rom the mouth area to make it look like an alien broke through themouth piece.

*the space jockey in prometheus, all of them and theirs a lot of them, are smaler than the jockey in alien.

*the tech level of thehumans is greater than whatthey show in every story just about, including alien res. It could be excusable that they had better tech than the crew in alien had BUT 90 years later you'd think that the USCM would have better or at the least the same level of technology. The military almost always has acces to better hardware and sooftware than civilians.

The worst contradiction is the "pups" floating scouting scanning drone orbs. With technology lik that it should havebeeb manditory for every ship to have them abord for rescue and recon tasks. The marines would have used it for scouting enemy teritory or at least animal type enemy territory. I wil go one step further and point out it could have easily become a wepons platforum by the time of aliens. It could go into enemy territory and gave off pulses of neutron radiation or chemmical biological agents, or flatout carried a fission / fusion bomb.

The guy that used the pups didn't apper to be a wy employee, he was contractedd by wy, so its not like the pups were exclusive wy tech.

[Jo Jo 4,808]

So what we can safely conclude is that the Alien franchise is as incoherent of a mess as most of BKL's posts.

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

Kane didn't remember the attack, there is no reason to think he didn't remember the events leading up to it, including finding the egg chamber. And he had plenty of time to tell Dallas what he saw.

 

The colonists found the aliens because Burke told them to go look, based on Ripley's testimony. That's outright stated in the film.

 

Differences in minor prop details are an inevitable result of the film making process. If you are going to use things like that then no multi-film franchise in history is consistent.

[Sithborg 11,644]

 

Just like I told Robin canon and the way the stories are told in the series is diffrent than oother series, its kinda like 40k. Neil said he won't be decanonizing those films, he also said his films wil be more connected to the first two films. No matter what contradiction may arise you must remember what he said about alien 3 and res and must remember that canon works difrently in that saga.

 

 

That isn't what he said. He said "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurection". Which by itself, may lead to you conclusion. But the added statement of "I want to make a film that's connected to Alien and Aliens." With the added that he plans this to be a send off for Ripley. Combined with the images he leaked, it looks more and more like he is just going to ignore those two films, much like Superman Returns. Undoing or fixing those films requires him to acknowledge them. His plan doesn't seem to want to do that. 

[Black Knight Leader 424]

Kane didn't remember the attack, there is no reason to think he didn't remember the events leading up to it, including finding the egg chamber. And he had plenty of time to tell Dallas what he saw.

 

The colonists found the aliens because Burke told them to go look, based on Ripley's testimony. That's outright stated in the film.

 

Differences in minor prop details are an inevitable result of the film making process. If you are going to use things like that then no multi-film franchise in history is consistent.

@1st point: Kane never had time tell the crew what he saw except for the time shown on screen, never did he say he saw thousands of eggs.

@2nd point: Yet WY knew about lv-426 and that their where pilot aliens their for 102 + years. They don't bother to send a private ship nore prisoners from fury 161 to this plaent to get the alien.

@3rd point: it makes no diffrence, having a charcter or prop change dramatically is just as much of a continunity change as havin conflicting scenes in a diffrent movie. Most movies, including sw don't suffer the problem I just pointed out and if they do have a problem their is an in-univere ereason for it that is rational. The ones I presented can't fixed with other material without being stupid itself.

Canon just works diffrently in the A/P/AvP/Pro universe, just like how 40k has diffrent rules for how its canon works.

[Black Knight Leader 424]

Just like I told Robin canon and the way the stories are told in the series is diffrent than oother series, its kinda like 40k. Neil said he won't be decanonizing those films, he also said his films wil be more connected to the first two films. No matter what contradiction may arise you must remember what he said about alien 3 and res and must remember that canon works difrently in that saga.

 

That isn't what he said. He said "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurection". Which by itself, may lead to you conclusion. But the added statement of "I want to make a film that's connected to Alien and Aliens." With the added that he plans this to be a send off for Ripley. Combined with the images he leaked, it looks more and more like he is just going to ignore those two films, much like Superman Returns. Undoing or fixing those films requires him to acknowledge them. His plan doesn't seem to want to do that.

It is wha he said, he not decanonizing them. Canon works difrrently in this universe contradictions are ok, otherwise none of the movies would be canon.

Nothing in his artwork decanonizes alien 3 ether, I keep seeing people say that but theirs nothing there in his pictures tha would do that.

Here's another example of major contradictions caused by Prometheus.

Remember the equipment that they had aboard the Prometheus that alowed people to speak to people in hibernation and or see their dreams? A device like that would change the way the law enforcement system works forever at that point. Suspects for acrime would be hooked up to this thing to see if they where involved. This device would have shown the people in aliens that were judging ripley that she was telling the truth about what she saw on lv-426 as we'll as the alien coming abord her ship.

Another contradiction is the point and time in which wy acts to get a alien from lv426. They showin prometheus material that david and wy detected the sos from lv-426 before even leaving for lv-223. Theirs no reason for them to have taken 102+ yeaars to gofor the aliens in the pilot ship when they clearly show they have ships going into that area for many many many years, like the ships on fury 161 which is in the same solar system and his been their longer than th colony on lv426.

If any contradictions of this level pop up in alien 5 I won't care becauce fox has made it clear that canon is flexable and not one of their movies have been decanonized.

Jfyi the wy report is coming out, its a $200-$300+ book that uses the four alien movies as a point of refrence. The wouldn't make a book that's just coming out that is canon and expensive just beccause of some guy they just picked up for alien 5. If its actully going to be called alien 5 then theose movies are really not decanonized

[FTS Gecko 24,135]

Here's my list, close to what others have listed.

 

1 Aliens - Pretty much everything you want in an action sci-fi movie. Directors-cut or GTFO

2 Predator - Minigun, predator, and Arnold. nuff said

3 Alien - still Scary. Holds up well today.

4 Predator II - Had pretty good effects for 1990 and it had Gary Busey

5 Predators - Adrien Brody makes the movie. Good action and nice a twist

6 AVP: Requiem  - My guilty pleasure of any of these movies. Its essentially a slasher movie with a Predator and Aliens. Don't give a **** about the people which made it kind of fun. Just loved watching people get owned.

7 Prometheus - Doesn't make a whole lot of sense and leaves you with more questions than answers, but its got great visuals

8 Alien 3 - Boring, really boring.

9 Alien 4 - Dumb, really dumb

10 AVP - Its PG-13, GTFO of here.

 

I mostly agree with this list, however I'd put actually put AVP above Alien 3 and Resurrection.  Alien 3 was LOLLETSKILLEVERYONEAWFUL, while Resurrection was an utter joke of a film.  I'm not saying AVP was good, far from it, but 3 and 4 were painful to watch.

 

As for the videogames..

 

1:  Alien: Isolation

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Every other Alien / Predator game ever created

[Sithborg 11,644]

The Alien vs Predator 2 PC game was pretty good. 

[FTS Gecko 24,135]

The Alien vs Predator 2 PC game was pretty good. 

 

Yeah, Alien vs Predator 2 was pretty good.  I do however stand by my original comment, Alien: Isolation is head and shoulders above every other franchise game ever released.

[Jo Jo 4,808]

I have to play it with the lights on.

[FTS Gecko 24,135]

I have to play it with the lights on.

 

Lights on, and no more than an hour or two at a time.  It is a genuinely nerve-wracking experience.  Creative Assembly nailed the atmosphere completely.

 

And the Working Joes are creepy as hell too.

[patox 2,020]

Aliens 3 was garbage because it negated the heroic journey from Aliens.

[Jo Jo 4,808]

 

I have to play it with the lights on.

 

Lights on, and no more than an hour or two at a time.  It is a genuinely nerve-wracking experience.  Creative Assembly nailed the atmosphere completely.

 

And the Working Joes are creepy as hell too.

 

 

 

Those guys were nearly as scary as the **** alien. Their cold dead eyes.....

Edited March 11, 2015 by Jo Jo

[FTS Gecko 24,135]

Those guys were nearly as scary as the **** alien. Their cold dead eyes.....

 

"You are becoming hysterical."

 

Yes.  Yes, I AM becoming hysterical, because three of you glowing eyed buggers are methodically walking towards me with less than friendly motives, and something is clambering around in the vents and screeching.

 

Love that game, I really do.  Every time I play through a level, something completely different and unexpected happens.

 

Aliens 3 was garbage because it negated the heroic journey from Aliens.

 

This, so much this.

 

Hicks manages to make it back to the dropship?  LOLNOHESDEAD.

Ripley desperately fights through the Alien hive to rescue Newt?  LOLNOSHESDEADTOO.

The survivors escape the meltdown of Hadley's Hope, space the hitchhiking Alien Queen and enter cryosleep for the journey home?  LOL.  NO.  THEY'RE ALL DEAD.

 

EVERYBODY'S DEAD.  THEY'RE ALL DEAD, DAVE.

Edited March 11, 2015 by FTS Gecko

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

EVERYBODY'S DEAD.  THEY'RE ALL DEAD, DAVE.

 

What, Captain Holister?

[All Shields Forward 1,917]

Aliens 3 was garbage because it negated the heroic journey from Aliens.

It really did! It killed off two main characters so they could make their set piece and then didn't bother to add any interesting or memorable characters. I've seen A3 many times and I can't remember a single characters name. They just lacked the presence of their predecessors!

[Robin Graves 6,054]

What are you talking about All Shields? Such well developed characters! I can remember all their names ! They are:

 

Baldy Mc Prisoner. euh...Bald Guy... Dude with no hair... Bald guy nr.2.. ****, who else? .Mr. Watsisface... That guy who dies first... Mr. Brownshoes? No thats from the Simpsons... errr  Random prisoner dude... Random weyland utani person.. oh and Ripley!

 

Yeah you are correct. There is more character development in some fryday the 13th movies than in Aliens 3.

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

Bit of trivia because a lot of people probably don't know. The physician in alien 3 is played by Paul McGann, the 8th doctor.

No idea what the character's name was though.