Fnords 78 Posted January 5, 2015 Trying out some ideas with Patrol Leader and 3xBombers. Wondering if anyone have any experience with lists like this? 1. Ion Bombers & Vader Patrol Leader Patrol Leader (40) Darth Vader (3) 3 x Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) Total: 100 ...or... 2. Cluster Bombers & Naked Patrol Leader Patrol Leader (40) 3 x Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Cluster Missiles (4) Total: 100 Any opinions on what you think would work best when taking 3 Bombers and a Patrol leader please post, I feel like it could be a fun varation of list to play. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eibon 30 Posted January 5, 2015 personally id drop the missles and put upgrades on the patrol leader id even consider dropping the bombers to acadamies so u cud have a mini swarm but the bombers would give you a whole load of hp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnords 78 Posted January 5, 2015 personally id drop the missles and put upgrades on the patrol leader id even consider dropping the bombers to acadamies so u cud have a mini swarm but the bombers would give you a whole load of hp Yeah could be done, but not really the point of this thread. Lists like: Patrol Leader (40) Darth Vader (3) "Howlrunner" (18) Stealth Device (3) or Hull Upgrade (3) 3x Academy Pilot (12) Total: 100 ...works great, but I would like to see if the bombers can work together with the decimator Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Biophysical 15,761 Posted January 5, 2015 What are you trying to accomplish with the Ion Pulse Missiles? I don't really see the point of them in this list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnords 78 Posted January 5, 2015 What are you trying to accomplish with the Ion Pulse Missiles? I don't really see the point of them in this list. Don't really know for sure tbh, played a tournament yesterday with 5 out of 6 lists having large ships, there were lots of times when Ion Pulse Missiles would have put them in a position they could not have escaped from (they would have flown of the board the next round or the round after due to no space to maneuver around). Also it's always nice to put an ion token on lots of ships, all stressed ships, interceptors, a-wings etc. I'm going to playtest a few of these bomber/patrol leader builds, because I have a hunch that there's something there. The 34HP in itself is not something to joke about. 1 oneway reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krynn007 2,445 Posted January 5, 2015 Bombers work awesome with the decimator I usually fly oicunn with 2 bombers and a tie, prox mines on the bomber. Won many games with it but lost once to a swarm I think prox mines work best on bombers since faq update 1 oneway reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrkvChain 72 Posted January 5, 2015 Have you considered Fleet Officer on the Patrol Leader? So your bombers can get a focus when shooting with ordnance that instructs you to discard the target look. But for that, you have to fly your bombers close to the decimator, which I'm not sure if you want to do that. 3 oneway, Parakitor and Fnords reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnords 78 Posted January 5, 2015 Have you considered Fleet Officer on the Patrol Leader? So your bombers can get a focus when shooting with ordnance that instructs you to discard the target look. But for that, you have to fly your bombers close to the decimator, which I'm not sure if you want to do that. Considered it before. Dropping one Ion Pulse in order to fit it in could be very nice, an uncommon. Like it, thank you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StarWarsDad1138 107 Posted January 5, 2015 I like the idea (and would love to try it, but only have one bomber). I would like to say that I've found that a naked Patrol Leader isn't worth his points. Even just a doom decimator makes a patrol leader worth it. What about: VT-49 DECIMATOR: Patrol Leader (40) · Experimental Interface (3) · Ysanne Isard (4) Fleet Officer (3) TIE BOMBER: Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) TIE BOMBER: Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) TIE FIGHTER: Academy Pilot (12) With this, you could trigger the fleet officer from Ysanne Isard using Experimental Interface, the way most people are running Expose right now. 1 Fnords reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnords 78 Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) I like the idea (and would love to try it, but only have one bomber). I would like to say that I've found that a naked Patrol Leader isn't worth his points. Even just a doom decimator makes a patrol leader worth it. What about: VT-49 DECIMATOR: Patrol Leader (40) · Experimental Interface (3) · Ysanne Isard (4) Fleet Officer (3) TIE BOMBER: Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) TIE BOMBER: Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) TIE FIGHTER: Academy Pilot (12) With this, you could trigger the fleet officer from Ysanne Isard using Experimental Interface, the way most people are running Expose right now. Another fun idea, but maybe it would be better to go for some more missiles (for damage) and a higher PS on the bombers (protects against predator as well as making TL easier) instead of adding the AP then. Something like this: Patrol Leader (40) Fleet Officer (3) Ysanne Isard (4) Experimental Interface (3) Gamma Squadron Pilot (18) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) Cluster Missiles (4) Gamma Squadron Pilot (18) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) Cluster Missiles (4) Total: 100 Edited January 5, 2015 by Fnords Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnords 78 Posted January 5, 2015 ...or go crazy and go for... Patrol Leader (40) Fleet Officer (3) Ysanne Isard (4) Experimental Interface (3) Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) Proton Rockets (3) Proximity Mines (3) Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) Proton Rockets (3) Proximity Mines (3) Total: 100 Ion Pulse Misile don't use the TL and is R2-R3. Proton Rockets don't need a TL but needs a focus (Fleet Officer), but don't use the focus. It''s also R1 so it fits right in where Ions can't be used. Proximity Mines need a action but Fleet Office can offer some protection that round. Could be fun 1 Rividius reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StarWarsDad1138 107 Posted January 6, 2015 My first reaction is to say you really should have a fourth ship, but I just got done flying against a kitted out Kenkirk with 2 proximity mine-equipped bomber escorts. It was a good build. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnords 78 Posted January 6, 2015 Been playing around with different builds and I think I landed on a nice version. My only problem is no Ion Pulse Missile. But The Clusters and Proximity Mines should be able to deal a lot more damage. IA is there for psych the opponent more then anything else. Commander Kenkirk (44) Lone Wolf (2) Ysanne Isard (4) Rebel Captive (3) Intelligence Agent (1) Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Cluster Missiles (4) Proximity Mines (3) Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Cluster Missiles (4) Proximity Mines (3) Total: 100 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jo Jo 4,808 Posted January 6, 2015 I like the idea (and would love to try it, but only have one bomber). I would like to say that I've found that a naked Patrol Leader isn't worth his points. Even just a doom decimator makes a patrol leader worth it. What about: VT-49 DECIMATOR: Patrol Leader (40) · Experimental Interface (3) · Ysanne Isard (4) Fleet Officer (3) TIE BOMBER: Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) TIE BOMBER: Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) TIE FIGHTER: Academy Pilot (12) With this, you could trigger the fleet officer from Ysanne Isard using Experimental Interface, the way most people are running Expose right now. Another fun idea, but maybe it would be better to go for some more missiles (for damage) and a higher PS on the bombers (protects against predator as well as making TL easier) instead of adding the AP then. Something like this: Patrol Leader (40) Fleet Officer (3) Ysanne Isard (4) Experimental Interface (3) Gamma Squadron Pilot (18) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) Cluster Missiles (4) Gamma Squadron Pilot (18) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) Cluster Missiles (4) Total: 100 The Patrol leader would be double stressed and you could only pull off that combo once, maybe twice. If you Fleet Officer as your action, you'll pull stress and Isard would not go off. If you Fleet Officer after Isard with EI, you'll be double stressed. Personally I haven't found a great use for Fleet Officer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnords 78 Posted January 6, 2015 I like the idea (and would love to try it, but only have one bomber). I would like to say that I've found that a naked Patrol Leader isn't worth his points. Even just a doom decimator makes a patrol leader worth it. What about: VT-49 DECIMATOR: Patrol Leader (40) · Experimental Interface (3) · Ysanne Isard (4) Fleet Officer (3) TIE BOMBER: Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) TIE BOMBER: Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) TIE FIGHTER: Academy Pilot (12) With this, you could trigger the fleet officer from Ysanne Isard using Experimental Interface, the way most people are running Expose right now. Another fun idea, but maybe it would be better to go for some more missiles (for damage) and a higher PS on the bombers (protects against predator as well as making TL easier) instead of adding the AP then. Something like this: Patrol Leader (40) Fleet Officer (3) Ysanne Isard (4) Experimental Interface (3) Gamma Squadron Pilot (18) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) Cluster Missiles (4) Gamma Squadron Pilot (18) Ion Pulse Missiles (3) Cluster Missiles (4) Total: 100 The Patrol leader would be double stressed and you could only pull off that combo once, maybe twice. If you Fleet Officer as your action, you'll pull stress and Isard would not go off. If you Fleet Officer after Isard with EI, you'll be double stressed. Personally I haven't found a great use for Fleet Officer. Yeah that's why I did a new list. Fleet Officer is still useless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darthjeff81 106 Posted January 6, 2015 Try this: Patrol Leader (40)Darth Vader (3)Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16)Proximity Mines (3)Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16)Proximity Mines (3)Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16)Proximity Mines (3)Total: 100View in Yet Another Squad Builder 1 Fnords reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnords 78 Posted January 6, 2015 Try this: Patrol Leader (40) Darth Vader (3) Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Proximity Mines (3) Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Proximity Mines (3) Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Proximity Mines (3) Total: 100 View in Yet Another Squad Builder Was thinking about this setup just before you posted it. It's more in line with my original idea (topic). So now it's down to 2 lists. And I really don't know which way to go. Patrol Leader (40) Darth Vader (3) 3 x Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Proximity Mines (3) Total: 100 or Commander Kenkirk (44) Lone Wolf (2) Ysanne Isard (4) Rebel Captive (3) Intelligence Agent (1) 2 x Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Cluster Missiles (4) Proximity Mines (3) Total: 100 1 darthjeff81 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DraconPyrothayan 6,107 Posted January 8, 2015 Bombs > Ion Pulse Missiles. Hell, I'd consider throwing out 4 seismics instead of 3 prox mines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnords 78 Posted January 8, 2015 Bombs > Ion Pulse Missiles. Hell, I'd consider throwing out 4 seismics instead of 3 prox mines. When going Seismic I think this list is better: Patrol Leader (40) Darth Vader (3) Rebel Captive (3) 3 x Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16) Seismic Charges (2) Total: 100 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
