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On 4/4/2018 at 12:42 AM, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

beautiful fan art. wish it was official and hinting at the story many of us want!

 

 

Regarding the new "Resistance" series that has been rumored, I know sites have reported they believe it will lead upto ep 7. What if it is to bridge 8/9? The resistance is such a small cell before ep 7, but we are seeing it rebirth into the new rebel alliance at the end of 8. This could be the perfect time to have all the side stories of it all coming together. Either way I'm good, especially if Filoni is piloting it.

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13 hours ago, Wiredin said:

Regarding the new "Resistance" series that has been rumored, I know sites have reported they believe it will lead upto ep 7. What if it is to bridge 8/9? The resistance is such a small cell before ep 7, but we are seeing it rebirth into the new rebel alliance at the end of 8. This could be the perfect time to have all the side stories of it all coming together. Either way I'm good, especially if Filoni is piloting it.

Because if it was to bridge 8 and 9, it couldn't have started production before episode 8 finished filming (given how late in development the story for that one was finalized), and we know the 'Resistance' series started pre-production (at least) a year prior to that.

That would also limit the potential of the series to what amounts to a year-or-so (anticipated) canonical gap between 8 or 9 - while a series set in the time period leading up to 7 has practically the full 30 years to do whatever it wants with.

It was really such a no-brainer to set a series in that 30-year gap that everyone expected it to begin with, and then when we found out the series was named for the 'Resistance', I mean...yeah, those are pretty clear clues, there.

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Also the resistance was not a small org before 7.. In 8 that signal Leia was trying to get out, then discovered got no response? That was to call up the rest of the resistance across the galaxy. Which is why the silence after it was sent out hurt her so. The resistance was gone. Wiped out. All her forces and allies gone.

 

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1 minute ago, mithril2098 said:

Also the resistance was not a small org before 7.. In 8 that signal Leia was trying to get out, then discovered got no response? That was to call up the rest of the resistance across the galaxy. Which is why the silence after it was sent out hurt her so. The resistance was gone. Wiped out. All her forces and allies gone.

 

If I remember right, I heard a lot of the galaxy turned away from her when it was discovered she was the daughter of Vader. 

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3 hours ago, Tbetts94 said:

If I remember right, I heard a lot of the galaxy turned away from her when it was discovered she was the daughter of Vader. 

That was more or less when she started the resistance. She'd been working in the senate to blunt the neo-imperial elements in the republic, and those elements revealed her parentage to undermine her influence. She lost a lot of her political allies due to it, with only a core of old friends and some idealists still on her side. Pretty much made her resign as senator, ruined her political career. But she used her personal connections and friends still in the senate to help channel resources into the organization she started building to resist the first order and their neo-imperial allies in the senate.

That was like two decades before TFA.

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14 hours ago, mithril2098 said:

That was more or less when she started the resistance. She'd been working in the senate to blunt the neo-imperial elements in the republic, and those elements revealed her parentage to undermine her influence. She lost a lot of her political allies due to it, with only a core of old friends and some idealists still on her side. Pretty much made her resign as senator, ruined her political career. But she used her personal connections and friends still in the senate to help channel resources into the organization she started building to resist the first order and their neo-imperial allies in the senate.

That was like two decades before TFA.

If anyone is interested, you can read all that in Bloodline which is actually a nice one and does a good jobs at covering gaps. And if you like Leia character start with the book named after her. Is a young Leia pre OT and they introduce Holdo, but that's the least important. It is a good one. Better than bloodline in my opinion. I'm hoping Claudia Gray keeps developing her character :)

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On 06/04/2018 at 7:35 PM, mithril2098 said:

That was more or less when she started the resistance. She'd been working in the senate to blunt the neo-imperial elements in the republic, and those elements revealed her parentage to undermine her influence. She lost a lot of her political allies due to it, with only a core of old friends and some idealists still on her side. Pretty much made her resign as senator, ruined her political career. But she used her personal connections and friends still in the senate to help channel resources into the organization she started building to resist the first order and their neo-imperial allies in the senate.

That was like two decades before TFA.

Six years before, actually. The First Order is just starting to make itself known as well, and Ben is a student at Luke’s academy. 

The New Republic actually managed to keep the peace reasonably well for more than two decades before it all started to fall apart. 

 

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6 hours ago, Graeme Lyon said:
On 4/6/2018 at 2:35 PM, mithril2098 said:

 

Six years before, actually. The First Order is just starting to make itself known as well, and Ben is a student at Luke’s academy. 

The New Republic actually managed to keep the peace reasonably well for more than two decades before it all started to fall apart. 

The League of Nations could claim the same.  

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2 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

The League of Nations could claim the same.  

I don't think the League could claim two decades, considering the Japanese conquest of Manchuria, and their later invasion of the mainland of China, as well as Italy's invasion of Ethiopia.  At best, I'd give the League a decade, but even that's stretching it considering the post-First World War conflicts that raged on into the '20s.   

 

 

Yes, I am a history nerd who over analyzes jokes. 

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1 minute ago, Alpha17 said:

I don't think the League could claim two decades, considering the Japanese conquest of Manchuria, and their later invasion of the mainland of China, as well as Italy's invasion of Ethiopia.  At best, I'd give the League a decade, but even that's stretching it considering the post-First World War conflicts that raged on into the '20s.   

 

 

Yes, I am a history nerd who over analyzes jokes. 

I said they could claim it, not that it was true.

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Speaking of Chewbacca’s family on the Solo thread reminded me of this.

 

 

While Attichitcuk as we know him dates from the 1978 Holiday Special, there are traces of a proto-Itchy as far back as the May 1973 rough draft of The Star Wars. This early incarnation, known as ‘Auzituck,’  in the ‘Wookiee camp’ on Yavin.’   Yavin being an early version of Kashyyyk. 

The script says - ‘Chewbacca enters the largest of the lodges. He is greeted by his father, AUZITUCK, Chief of the KAAPAUKU tribe; an old and feeble Wookiee dressed in royal skins and headdress.’

The old Chief only appeared in this scene, and was mentioned in passing later in the script, when an early proto–Han Solo introduced   ‘Chewbacca, son of Auzituck, Prince of the Sawas, a very powerful tribe.’  

Here’s how this ties into Rebels. Auzituck was later used for a gunship model in Spark of Rebellion.

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21 hours ago, Graeme Lyon said:

Six years before, actually. The First Order is just starting to make itself known as well, and Ben is a student at Luke’s academy. 

The New Republic actually managed to keep the peace reasonably well for more than two decades before it all started to fall apart.

Yeah, they did such a good job disarming themselves to the point where they could be utterly annihilated in one fell swoop.

Instead of becoming like, a real power.

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1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Yeah, they did such a good job disarming themselves to the point where they could be utterly annihilated in one fell swoop.

Instead of becoming like, a real power.

I still don't understand how that's even possible.  Even a demilitarized New Republic, relying largely on planetary and sector fleets as a militia, shouldn't have been taken out in a single strike.  Why weren't there fleets on patrol, or chasing down pirates?  On training maneuvers?  Or Senators at home, or campaigning, and now setting up a new government?  What about the planetary governments and fleets?  Sure, the FO seems to be controlling everything behind the scenes (somehow), but surely there are more than a few left out there that can help? 

I know the whole "New Republic disappears" thing was a plot convenience to restore the status quo to the OT, but c'mon, how does a Galactic government just disappear? 

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23 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

 

Not sure what you're saying with that, or how it applies.  By that point, Palpatine had been ruling for three decades, two of which as Emperor, and had slowly eliminated the role of, and need for, the Senate.  Even then, as we've seen, the Senate didn't just disappear, with former Senators joining the Rebellion and leading forces against the Empire. 

In TFA, the Senate is a (if not necessarily, the) galactic Government, in firm control of the apparatus of government if not necessarily the entire galaxy.  It'd be the equivalent of thinking that nuking Washington, DC during Trump's big military parade this summer would suddenly make the entire US government and military disappear.  

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59 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

Not sure what you're saying with that, or how it applies.  By that point, Palpatine had been ruling for three decades, two of which as Emperor, and had slowly eliminated the role of, and need for, the Senate.  Even then, as we've seen, the Senate didn't just disappear, with former Senators joining the Rebellion and leading forces against the Empire. 

In TFA, the Senate is a (if not necessarily, the) galactic Government, in firm control of the apparatus of government if not necessarily the entire galaxy.  It'd be the equivalent of thinking that nuking Washington, DC during Trump's big military parade this summer would suddenly make the entire US government and military disappear.  

This is assuming the Nu Republic is set up like the USA federal government.  In spin off books and media the ST Republic seems to be very decentralized with the many thousands of member systems responsible for their own policing and defense and the bulk of the Republic fleet defending the capital in the Hosnian system.  It sounds like a situation not too dissimilar to the state of things in TPM with the Resistence as the only force willing or capable to counter threats like the FO, which the Republic saught to appease and contain with treaties and bluffing.

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2 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

This is assuming the Nu Republic is set up like the USA federal government.  In spin off books and media the ST Republic seems to be very decentralized with the many thousands of member systems responsible for their own policing and defense and the bulk of the Republic fleet defending the capital in the Hosnian system.  It sounds like a situation not too dissimilar to the state of things in TPM with the Resistence as the only force willing or capable to counter threats like the FO, which the Republic saught to appease and contain with treaties and bluffing.

I won't argue that.  I feel like it's a poor excuse for a government so recently installed through successive military action, building on a previously established government that lasted for over a thousand years, but it's acceptable.

My problem/argument is that even if the bulk of the New Republic fleet was defending the capital, what the **** happened to the rest of it?  Again, putting the entire fleet around the capital is silly, and would represent both a stupid waste of resources and be a political bone of contention.  Spreading out the fleet makes more sense both militarily and politically, as it prevents the Fleet from being seen as a potential stick with which to bash opponents heads in, and shows that the money being spent on it is worthwhile by using it against pirates, raiders, and generally patrolling.  

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