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7 hours ago, iamfanboy said:

So, who cares about something more: The people who've spent their entire careers making, living, and breathing Star Wars, or disgruntled internet commentator who disagrees with them? People who've spent their entire careers making, living, and breathing Star Wars, or disgruntled internet commentator who disagrees with them?

Whoever put more thought into it.  And guess what, that's often the internet commenter.

The idea that they automatically care more just because it's their job is ridiculous.  You said it yourself, whoever made Droids obviously didn't give a ****, and it was their job to care.

7 hours ago, Punning Pundit said:

Because a nebula exists in 3D space. Going around it would take a long time. 

It would if hyperspace was a thing that took a long time.  It's definitely not.  Especially not on this show.  There have been multiple scenes on this show(and, hell, one in this episode), where people have been waiting in another system for some kind of signal, and, upon receiving it, shown up within SECONDS from hyperspace.

7 hours ago, Azrapse said:

The thing is that they have not bothered to explain how hyperspace works. We have those lanes, interdictors, ships jumping from the planets' atmospheres, blockades... All of that is just thrown into the dialog, but not really explained.
Before, you couldn't communicate with a ship in hyperspace. The ground team sent to destroy the shield in ROTJ could see the rebel fleet coming from hyperspace, but couldn't warn them that the shield was still up.
Since the Clone Wars series, everyone can talk to everyone, hyperspace or not. So what happened there? 
In Rebels and in Rogue One, they arbitrarily change course in the middle of hyperspace. So you seem to be able to change lane or direction somehow. They don't care to explain it.

Why did Hera decide to go thru the Nebula when she could have just jumped into any other direction, then change course? Why do they need to cross the nebula in real space instead of just circumvent it? They don't care to explain it.

Probably because there isn't any explanation other than "because the script requires them to".

Exactly this.

1 hour ago, Blue Five said:

In both canons interstellar navigation is limited to scouted hyperlanes.

I don't ever remember that being the case in the EU, so if it was established at some point, they didn't treat it that way consistantly.

Time was, you could jump from any system to any other system as long as there was nothing in your way.  Your computer(or astromech) just needed time to calculate the jump.  That's why you could fly from Tatooine to Alderaan even though they were half a galaxy apart.

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7 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

It's still not a very good spelling of it though. I simply cannot condone it.

But hey, I had no clue it wasn't your first language. Kudos, you're doing great.

Thankfully, your condoning it or not is of little consequence but, to your point, as someone who speaks 2 other languages and inherently gets the challenges therein, have to completely agree on your comment on his language skills ;)

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It would if hyperspace was a thing that took a long time.  It's definitely not.  Especially not on this show.  There have been multiple scenes on this show(and, hell, one in this episode), where people have been waiting in another system for some kind of signal, and, upon receiving it, shown up within SECONDS from hyperspace.

And there have been far more scenes involving people sitting around while the ship is in hyperspace because hyperjumps take time. Ships waiting for a cue to hyperspace in are usually not far away. They're often in the same system. Microjumps were a thing in the EU.

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Time was, you could jump from any system to any other system as long as there was nothing in your way.  Your computer just needed time to calculate the jump.  That's why you could fly from Tatooine to Alderaan even though they were half a galaxy apart.

It's a fairly clear run between those two and it's not a continous scene: they may have dropped out and rejumped at a few points. Even more if you're trying to avoid Imperial entanglements.

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Did they actually ever SHOWN them change direction in hyperspace? Perhaps they return to normal space, change course and then jump to hyperspace again but we never see that because it would be boring to always show.

We have never been shown a ship in hyperspace physically pivot or swoop to another angle.

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16 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Did they actually ever SHOWN them change direction in hyperspace? Perhaps they return to normal space, change course and then jump to hyperspace again but we never see that because it would be boring to always show.

We have never been shown a ship in hyperspace physically pivot or swoop to another angle.

This was addressed in Tarkin. One of the special things about Tarkin's ship Carrion Spike is an advanced Navigational Computer that can plot a course through multiple jump points while conventional navigational computers have to drop out of hyperspace periodically to change direction. 

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5 minutes ago, jmswood said:

This was addressed in Tarkin. One of the special things about Tarkin's ship Carrion Spike is an advanced Navigational Computer that can plot a course through multiple jump points while conventional navigational computers have to drop out of hyperspace periodically to change direction. 

Ahh okay. I stand, or more accurately I sit, corrected! :D

However the Carrion Spike is an advanced prototype ship right? I imagine older ships would have to drop out of hyperspace like the Ghost. A U-Wing appeared to be a far newer class of ship so it makes sense they could pull a Carrion Spike like maneuver. 

To be completely honest this is one of those aspects of Star Wars I never pay too much attention to so I don't know much about how hyperspace works.  I'm not bringing up the other thing again don't worry :P but how did this work on Star Trek? I actually don't remember. Man i'm a bad nerd. 

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Another good episode.

Defender was suitably beastly but not invincible.  The fight synced up with XWTMG game quite nicely. Non TLT Y wings against an ace Defender is a hard fight.  Especially BTL ones.(edited for Blue Fives benifit lol... ) feel free to read this as Titled ones.

We see the brilliance of Thrawn again in predicting Hera's escape route, we see a highly competent pilot flying a highly competent design and doing a number on the Y wing escort.  Took teamwork etc just to drive him off.  I do like the improved competence of the Imperials this season.

Ok the governor was clearly over confident and a little clueless but even this kind of fits.  The Imperial hierarchy has backstabbing and corruption to spare.  It's far from being a meritocracy. She has seemingly no idea that being so close to the nebula is potentially dangerous.  A competent naval Captain could probably have told her. But if one was even there, I imagine she commandeered the ships and had them sit back twiddling their thumbs so as not to share any of the glory.

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3 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

Whoever put more thought into it.  And guess what, that's often the internet commenter.

The idea that they automatically care more just because it's their job is ridiculous.  You said it yourself, whoever made Droids obviously didn't give a ****, and it was their job to care.

It would if hyperspace was a thing that took a long time.  It's definitely not.  Especially not on this show.  There have been multiple scenes on this show(and, hell, one in this episode), where people have been waiting in another system for some kind of signal, and, upon receiving it, shown up within SECONDS from hyperspace.

Exactly this.

I don't ever remember that being the case in the EU, so if it was established at some point, they didn't treat it that way consistantly.

Time was, you could jump from any system to any other system as long as there was nothing in your way.  Your computer(or astromech) just needed time to calculate the jump.  That's why you could fly from Tatooine to Alderaan even though they were half a galaxy apart.

Remember those map with hyperplanes marked? 

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Most of these maps just have the major routes, fast lanes if you will, you need to use less traveled routes once you are within a region or sector for systems which are not major trade hubs and the unknown regions are completely of the charts and without the reach of the normal hyperspace network. You can create new lanes just fine, smuggler do that all the time on small scales to stay hidden and "off the road", taking "short cuts" true stellar phenomena to avoid lane blockages on chokepoints. 

Now one point is arguable: Do you need to get out of hyperspace at intersections or are you agile enough in hyperspace to make the turn. The EU and WEG and FFG state that you sometimes need to come out of hyperspace, travel a bit in normal space and jump again, meanwhile the movie canon never showed us the boring stops. What we do know is that Hera said that changing course while in hyperspace is possible, but extremely dangerous.

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1 hour ago, jmswood said:

This was addressed in Tarkin. One of the special things about Tarkin's ship Carrion Spike is an advanced Navigational Computer that can plot a course through multiple jump points while conventional navigational computers have to drop out of hyperspace periodically to change direction. 

I guess I get fed with new informations, which sounds very good. 

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3 hours ago, Bojanglez said:

Is that irony?  Asking people not to be pedantic and then being a pedant?  Please tell me you were actively kidding and not that obtuse?

This is what a forum is for, why can't you relax and enjoy it for what it is? 

Yes that  seems like it was irony, and this is what a forum is for, why can't you relax and enjoy it for what it is? 

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4 minutes ago, Draconis Hegemonia said:

Yes that  seems like it was irony, and this is what a forum is for, why can't you relax and enjoy it for what it is? 

I am, I love these forums and the lovely debates contained therein!

i am even very fond of Captain Lackwit, doesn't mean I can't take the time to call him out on his bs (because, even if he tries to claim it, I sincerely doubt it was irony based on previous post history).

 

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7 hours ago, Bojanglez said:

Is that irony?  Asking people not to be pedantic and then being a pedant?  Please tell me you were actively kidding and not that obtuse?

and I know you like to think of this thread and content as "yours" but why does this bother you so much? It's healthy, lively debate about a shared subject we all love, showing the passion. I also don't care for the lengthy discissions around fake-tech so I just skip them, same as I skip prequel bashing, and contribute to the points I do enjoy. 

This is what a forum is for, why can't you relax and enjoy it for what it is? 

1: Of course I realize the irony there. That you have to ask that is vaguely insulting.

2: I do enjoy it, but what's mind boggling is just, the blatant lack of understanding I see on some of the simplest subjects- failing that, the debates can get outright silly.

But here's my question to you. If you ignore things you dislike, why is it you continue to poke directly at my posts?

I am, I love these forums and the lovely debates contained therein!

i am even very fond of Captain Lackwit, doesn't mean I can't take the time to call him out on his bs (because, even if he tries to claim it, I sincerely doubt it was irony based on previous post history).

 

 

> : /

I'm a writer, you know. May surprise you. I tend to be aware of these sort of things.

Edited by Captain Lackwit
BEcause I wanted to, sod it.

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1 minute ago, Captain Lackwit said:

1: Of course I realize the irony there. That you have to ask that is vaguely insulting.

2: I do enjoy it, but what's mind boggling is just, the blatant lack of understanding I see on some of the simplest subjects- failing that, the debates can get outright silly.

But here's my question to you. If you ignore things you dislike, why is it you continue to poke directly at my posts?

1. There has been no evidence of that in prior posts

2. You're too sensitive to other people's posts, IMO.  No argument that some of the posts can get silly, but trying to tamp people's enthusiasm and passion seems pointless when it's just as quick to jump beyond it to other parts that are relevant.  Each to their own, however.

But here's my question to you. If you ignore things you dislike, why is it you continue to poke directly at my posts?

You are way, way too binary.  I have liked as many (or more) of your posts than I have critiqued and I don't tell you to stop posting, I don't tell you to go away, I'm not insulting to you personally, I just point out what I see as fallacies in your statements as I do with many others on the forums.  You might consider this victimization but it legitimately is a difference of opinion that I call out, you are the one that perceives it as a personal attack.

To whit:

3 hours ago, Bojanglez said:

i am even very fond of Captain Lackwit, doesn't mean I can't take the time to call him out on his bs 

So, in summary:

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On 05/03/2017 at 9:45 AM, Captain Lackwit said:

Finally, we see The full scale of The Rebellion. Every cell, every ship, everybody. This is it, guys.

This is The Rebellion we've been building all this time.

And it's everything we could have hoped for. NOW LET'S WATCH THRAWN DECIMATE IT IN THE COMPLETELY LITERAL SENSE.

[pedantic]
So, you want Thrawn to kill 10% of the Rebels so as to quench insubordination...? That's kinda... low-key, but, OK.
[/pedantic]

That aside, I agree with all the rest you've stated. LOVED the episode. Maybe the best the show has ever been? Awesome space fight, great combat debut for the Defender, great use of the Y-Wings, huge story moment for the entire saga as the rebel fleet is first assembled at senator Mothma's call. I kinda teared up as the ships warped in in the final moments. This kinda felt like feature-movie material, at least in the same level of the R1 story.

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52 minutes ago, takfar said:

[pedantic]
So, you want Thrawn to kill 10% of the Rebels so as to quench insubordination...? That's kinda... low-key, but, OK.
[/pedantic]

That aside, I agree with all the rest you've stated. LOVED the episode. Maybe the best the show has ever been? Awesome space fight, great combat debut for the Defender, great use of the Y-Wings, huge story moment for the entire saga as the rebel fleet is first assembled at senator Mothma's call. I kinda teared up as the ships warped in in the final moments. This kinda felt like feature-movie material, at least in the same level of the R1 story.

Oops. Got my definition flipped. Meant to reduce it to 10%..!

This well could have been a season closer. But that it isn't is amazing.

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7 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Oops. Got my definition flipped. Meant to reduce it to 10%..!

This well could have been a season closer. But that it isn't is amazing.

OH MY GOD, YOU WRITERS. BASIC MATH, MAN. BASIC MATH.  

;) <3

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I have really low expectations for the next episode. "Double Agent Droid" doesn't seem very promising. Right now those expectations center on AP-5. Just when I thought that droid would fade silently into the background; they pulled that awful crap in "Warhead." I'm itching for an episode preview to prove me wrong and get my hopes up.

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24 minutes ago, jmswood said:

I have really low expectations for the next episode. "Double Agent Droid" doesn't seem very promising. Right now those expectations center on AP-5. Just when I thought that droid would fade silently into the background; they pulled that awful crap in "Warhead." I'm itching for an episode preview to prove me wrong and get my hopes up.

Well, the next preview just came out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qe5qb4JV98&t=0s

It seems like it will be the imperials using chopper as a double agent, which could be interesting. Based on the first preview I thought it would simply be Chopper and AP-5 just outwitting imperials like a looney toons episode, but this looks promising. At least we get more Wedge. :D

 

 

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