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Rouge One? Are there trailers for this? 

Anyway, the Phantom being missing might explain why Rex wasn't in on the Scarif ground mission. In Rogue One.

Oh man...I never thought of the idea of Rex fighting on the ground with all the other volunteers. He would certainly qualify with all his dark history.

That would have been a much cooler clone wars cameo than Saw Guerra. I suppose the audience might be confused about a stormtrooper (clone trooper) fighting other stormtroopers.

But what a great final ending for his character that would be.

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Are we certain that Rebels will end at Yavin? Or do you think it might go on to Hoth and even Endor?

All we know for sure is that Rebels was reported to have a 5-year storyline which would tie in with it finishing around the time of ANH. Plans could change and we don't know what will happen to the characters. Many people assume that Kanan and Ezra at least will need to "become one with the Force" by the end in order for Yoda's statement to Luke that he was the last of the Jedi to be true.

Although that could just be from a certain point of view. ;)

 

Here's your "Certian point of view."

 

"That boy is our last hope."

"No, there is another."

"Oh, right, Leia still exists. I'll have to tell Luke about her."

"Say that, over my dead body, you will.

 

 

But that's an assumption on Obiwon's part. Yoda is ACTUALLY talking about Ezra.

 

 

It does refer to Leia, the point being that no one aside from Luke or Leia would have a chance of killing Vader, seeing as he might hesitate just outright killing them. Now compare this with how he treats the other Jedi that survived, he either hunts them down or sends someone else to, there is never any mention of capture since he doesn't feel any need to pull his punches. 

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Are we certain that Rebels will end at Yavin? Or do you think it might go on to Hoth and even Endor?

All we know for sure is that Rebels was reported to have a 5-year storyline which would tie in with it finishing around the time of ANH. Plans could change and we don't know what will happen to the characters. Many people assume that Kanan and Ezra at least will need to "become one with the Force" by the end in order for Yoda's statement to Luke that he was the last of the Jedi to be true.

Although that could just be from a certain point of view. ;)

 

Here's your "Certian point of view."

 

"That boy is our last hope."

"No, there is another."

"Oh, right, Leia still exists. I'll have to tell Luke about her."

"Say that, over my dead body, you will.

 

 

But that's an assumption on Obiwon's part. Yoda is ACTUALLY talking about Ezra.

 

 

It does refer to Leia, the point being that no one aside from Luke or Leia would have a chance of killing Vader, seeing as he might hesitate just outright killing them. Now compare this with how he treats the other Jedi that survived, he either hunts them down or sends someone else to, there is never any mention of capture since he doesn't feel any need to pull his punches. 

 

Do you have a source for Leia being "the other" that doesnt  depend on Obi Wan's possibly-flawed assumption?'

If Ezra continues on his grey, Starkiller like trajectory, he wouldnt be Yoda's FIRST choice, but he may, like starkiller simply overpower vader.

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It does refer to Leia, the point being that no one aside from Luke or Leia would have a chance of killing Vader, seeing as he might hesitate just outright killing them. Now compare this with how he treats the other Jedi that survived, he either hunts them down or sends someone else to, there is never any mention of capture since he doesn't feel any need to pull his punches. 

 

Another terrible consistency error generated by the fact Lucas presumably didn't bother to watch his own OT one more time before deciding to have Obi Wan oversee the delivery of the Skywalker twins at the end of RotS.

 

The most logical implication of 'Force Ghost' Obi Wan and Yoda's brief exchange on Dagobah in TESB (Obi Wan's "That boy is our last hope," followed by Yoda's "No! There is another!") is that Obi Wan didn't even know about Leia's existence up to that point. In short, to have 'fitted' with the Dagobah exchange that's supposed to happen twenty-something-years later, in the last scene of RotS Yoda *should* have handed over *one* potentially force-sensitive twin (Luke) into Obi Wan's care, without even telling him that there was another potentially force-sensitive twin (Leia) in Bail Organa's care. Having Yoda keep the twins and their guardians tightly 'compartmentalised' in this way would have been logical as a storyline, because it would have minimised the danger to one pair if the other was compromised, just as in our modern world terrorist groups have learned to limit each cell's knowledge of other cells within their movements, to minimise the damage done by the security forces' penetration of one cell.

 

To say otherwise is surely to infer (illogically) that Obi Wan was: (a) extraordinarily absent-minded, in having forgotten about Leia; or (b) extraordinarily sexist, in totally discounting Leia's Force potential because of her sex!

 

Whatever happens with Kanan and Ezra in 'Rebels' henceforth should not be allowed to further undermine the credibility of that important Dagobah exchange. It might be suggested that, even if Yoda and Obi Wan knew about Ezra and Kanan's existence, they would have discounted them from consideration because they would not consider either of them anywhere near powerful enough to challenge Vader successfully.

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Yoda is absolutely referring to Leia. Thematically it would be the most BS retcon in the history of retcons if it was Ezra. The point of it being Leia, is that the entire Skywalker family drama is literally the backbone and core of the entire saga's story.

Darth Vader confirms this. He also says there is another. Your sister your twin sister paralleling Yoda.

Leia is the Neville Longbottom of Star Wars. If Luke fails there is another Skywalker who will take his place. Another Skywalker to fulfill the prophecy of the Chosen One.

To make that Ezra would be to shoehorn him into the story for the sake of shoehorning him and im not cool with that.

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It does refer to Leia, the point being that no one aside from Luke or Leia would have a chance of killing Vader, seeing as he might hesitate just outright killing them. Now compare this with how he treats the other Jedi that survived, he either hunts them down or sends someone else to, there is never any mention of capture since he doesn't feel any need to pull his punches.

 

Another terrible consistency error generated by the fact Lucas presumably didn't bother to watch his own OT one more time before deciding to have Obi Wan oversee the delivery of the Skywalker twins at the end of RotS.

 

The most logical implication of 'Force Ghost' Obi Wan and Yoda's brief exchange on Dagobah in TESB (Obi Wan's "That boy is our last hope," followed by Yoda's "No! There is another!") is that Obi Wan didn't even know about Leia's existence up to that point. In short, to have 'fitted' with the Dagobah exchange that's supposed to happen twenty-something-years later, in the last scene of RotS Yoda *should* have handed over *one* potentially force-sensitive twin (Luke) into Obi Wan's care, without even telling him that there was another potentially force-sensitive twin (Leia) in Bail Organa's care. Having Yoda keep the twins and their guardians tightly 'compartmentalised' in this way would have been logical as a storyline, because it would have minimised the danger to one pair if the other was compromised, just as in our modern world terrorist groups have learned to limit each cell's knowledge of other cells within their movements, to minimise the damage done by the security forces' penetration of one cell.

 

To say otherwise is surely to infer (illogically) that Obi Wan was: (a) extraordinarily absent-minded, in having forgotten about Leia; or (b) extraordinarily sexist, in totally discounting Leia's Force potential because of her sex!

 

Whatever happens with Kanan and Ezra in 'Rebels' henceforth should not be allowed to further undermine the credibility of that important Dagobah exchange. It might be suggested that, even if Yoda and Obi Wan knew about Ezra and Kanan's existence, they would have discounted them from consideration because they would not consider either of them anywhere near powerful enough to challenge Vader successfully.

Obi hadn't seen Leia in 20 years. Force potential doesn't equate to training or skill (unless you're from Jakku), there's no reason for Obi to assume that Leia was in any condition to constitute another hope. I dunno where you're getting this sexism nonsense from.

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It does refer to Leia, the point being that no one aside from Luke or Leia would have a chance of killing Vader, seeing as he might hesitate just outright killing them. Now compare this with how he treats the other Jedi that survived, he either hunts them down or sends someone else to, there is never any mention of capture since he doesn't feel any need to pull his punches.

 

Another terrible consistency error generated by the fact Lucas presumably didn't bother to watch his own OT one more time before deciding to have Obi Wan oversee the delivery of the Skywalker twins at the end of RotS.

 

The most logical implication of 'Force Ghost' Obi Wan and Yoda's brief exchange on Dagobah in TESB (Obi Wan's "That boy is our last hope," followed by Yoda's "No! There is another!") is that Obi Wan didn't even know about Leia's existence up to that point. In short, to have 'fitted' with the Dagobah exchange that's supposed to happen twenty-something-years later, in the last scene of RotS Yoda *should* have handed over *one* potentially force-sensitive twin (Luke) into Obi Wan's care, without even telling him that there was another potentially force-sensitive twin (Leia) in Bail Organa's care. Having Yoda keep the twins and their guardians tightly 'compartmentalised' in this way would have been logical as a storyline, because it would have minimised the danger to one pair if the other was compromised, just as in our modern world terrorist groups have learned to limit each cell's knowledge of other cells within their movements, to minimise the damage done by the security forces' penetration of one cell.

 

To say otherwise is surely to infer (illogically) that Obi Wan was: (a) extraordinarily absent-minded, in having forgotten about Leia; or (b) extraordinarily sexist, in totally discounting Leia's Force potential because of her sex!

 

Whatever happens with Kanan and Ezra in 'Rebels' henceforth should not be allowed to further undermine the credibility of that important Dagobah exchange. It might be suggested that, even if Yoda and Obi Wan knew about Ezra and Kanan's existence, they would have discounted them from consideration because they would not consider either of them anywhere near powerful enough to challenge Vader successfully.

Obi hadn't seen Leia in 20 years. Force potential doesn't equate to training or skill (unless you're from Jakku), there's no reason for Obi to assume that Leia was in any condition to constitute another hope. I dunno where you're getting this sexism nonsense from.

 

Died laughing. Thank you dude.

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Obi hadn't seen Leia in 20 years. Force potential doesn't equate to training or skill (unless you're from Jakku), there's no reason for Obi to assume that Leia was in any condition to constitute another hope. I dunno where you're getting this sexism nonsense from.

 

Aside from that one holomessage where she begs his help...

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Obi hadn't seen Leia in 20 years. Force potential doesn't equate to training or skill (unless you're from Jakku), there's no reason for Obi to assume that Leia was in any condition to constitute another hope. I dunno where you're getting this sexism nonsense from.

 

Aside from that one holomessage where she begs his help...

Wait... What? No hold on here pally, what?

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Obi hadn't seen Leia in 20 years. Force potential doesn't equate to training or skill (unless you're from Jakku), there's no reason for Obi to assume that Leia was in any condition to constitute another hope. I dunno where you're getting this sexism nonsense from.

 

Aside from that one holomessage where she begs his help...

Wait... What? No hold on here pally, what?

 

 

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Obi hadn't seen Leia in 20 years. Force potential doesn't equate to training or skill (unless you're from Jakku), there's no reason for Obi to assume that Leia was in any condition to constitute another hope. I dunno where you're getting this sexism nonsense from.

 

Aside from that one holomessage where she begs his help...

 

 

Yeah, still not seeing it. 

 

Picture this:

 

 

Sixty-year old warrior hermit guy trains young kid raised in a raider-infested wasteland to become a magic-knight to save the galaxy. Gets call from kids sister he hasn't seen in 20 years who was raised as royalty and trained as a diplomat. She needs help. Old guy dies. Dead old guy doesn't automatically think of non-trained-force-agnostic-princess-sister as a suitable replacement for desert-kid if kid dies.

 

Gets called sexist 38 years later. That's gratitude for ya. 

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I'm confused about what exactly is being argued. Even after reading the last two pages on it.

 

If I am reading things right, I don't know how anyone could reasonably argue that Yoda isn't referring to Leia. Though Foressto summed it up the best.

Yoda referring to Ezra would pretty much undermine one of the overarching themes of the Original Trilogy: Family and it's legacy.

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It does refer to Leia, the point being that no one aside from Luke or Leia would have a chance of killing Vader, seeing as he might hesitate just outright killing them. Now compare this with how he treats the other Jedi that survived, he either hunts them down or sends someone else to, there is never any mention of capture since he doesn't feel any need to pull his punches. 

 

Another terrible consistency error generated by the fact Lucas presumably didn't bother to watch his own OT one more time before deciding to have Obi Wan oversee the delivery of the Skywalker twins at the end of RotS.

 

The most logical implication of 'Force Ghost' Obi Wan and Yoda's brief exchange on Dagobah in TESB (Obi Wan's "That boy is our last hope," followed by Yoda's "No! There is another!") is that Obi Wan didn't even know about Leia's existence up to that point. In short, to have 'fitted' with the Dagobah exchange that's supposed to happen twenty-something-years later, in the last scene of RotS Yoda *should* have handed over *one* potentially force-sensitive twin (Luke) into Obi Wan's care, without even telling him that there was another potentially force-sensitive twin (Leia) in Bail Organa's care. Having Yoda keep the twins and their guardians tightly 'compartmentalised' in this way would have been logical as a storyline, because it would have minimised the danger to one pair if the other was compromised, just as in our modern world terrorist groups have learned to limit each cell's knowledge of other cells within their movements, to minimise the damage done by the security forces' penetration of one cell.

 

To say otherwise is surely to infer (illogically) that Obi Wan was: (a) extraordinarily absent-minded, in having forgotten about Leia; or (b) extraordinarily sexist, in totally discounting Leia's Force potential because of her sex!

 

Whatever happens with Kanan and Ezra in 'Rebels' henceforth should not be allowed to further undermine the credibility of that important Dagobah exchange. It might be suggested that, even if Yoda and Obi Wan knew about Ezra and Kanan's existence, they would have discounted them from consideration because they would not consider either of them anywhere near powerful enough to challenge Vader successfully.

 

 

It is most likely that Old Ben remembered there was two but just hadn't heard anything about the other twin until Yoda said there is another essentially updating him that the other twin is still alive. If you notice in the scene Old Ben isn't super surprised when Yoda says there is another. This is easily explained. No sexism no forgetfulness. 

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It does refer to Leia, the point being that no one aside from Luke or Leia would have a chance of killing Vader, seeing as he might hesitate just outright killing them. Now compare this with how he treats the other Jedi that survived, he either hunts them down or sends someone else to, there is never any mention of capture since he doesn't feel any need to pull his punches. 

 

Another terrible consistency error generated by the fact Lucas presumably didn't bother to watch his own OT one more time before deciding to have Obi Wan oversee the delivery of the Skywalker twins at the end of RotS.

 

The most logical implication of 'Force Ghost' Obi Wan and Yoda's brief exchange on Dagobah in TESB (Obi Wan's "That boy is our last hope," followed by Yoda's "No! There is another!") is that Obi Wan didn't even know about Leia's existence up to that point. In short, to have 'fitted' with the Dagobah exchange that's supposed to happen twenty-something-years later, in the last scene of RotS Yoda *should* have handed over *one* potentially force-sensitive twin (Luke) into Obi Wan's care, without even telling him that there was another potentially force-sensitive twin (Leia) in Bail Organa's care. Having Yoda keep the twins and their guardians tightly 'compartmentalised' in this way would have been logical as a storyline, because it would have minimised the danger to one pair if the other was compromised, just as in our modern world terrorist groups have learned to limit each cell's knowledge of other cells within their movements, to minimise the damage done by the security forces' penetration of one cell.

 

To say otherwise is surely to infer (illogically) that Obi Wan was: (a) extraordinarily absent-minded, in having forgotten about Leia; or (b) extraordinarily sexist, in totally discounting Leia's Force potential because of her sex!

 

Whatever happens with Kanan and Ezra in 'Rebels' henceforth should not be allowed to further undermine the credibility of that important Dagobah exchange. It might be suggested that, even if Yoda and Obi Wan knew about Ezra and Kanan's existence, they would have discounted them from consideration because they would not consider either of them anywhere near powerful enough to challenge Vader successfully.

 

 

It is most likely that Old Ben remembered there was two but just hadn't heard anything about the other twin until Yoda said there is another essentially updating him that the other twin is still alive. If you notice in the scene Old Ben isn't super surprised when Yoda says there is another. This is easily explained. No sexism no forgetfulness. 

 

Its just another example of the lazy stupid writing of the prequels. 

 

Why wouldn't Obiwan remember Leia? Oh yeah, the idea of him being present at her birth was an afterthought shoe-horned in at the end of III. 

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It does refer to Leia, the point being that no one aside from Luke or Leia would have a chance of killing Vader, seeing as he might hesitate just outright killing them. Now compare this with how he treats the other Jedi that survived, he either hunts them down or sends someone else to, there is never any mention of capture since he doesn't feel any need to pull his punches.

 

Another terrible consistency error generated by the fact Lucas presumably didn't bother to watch his own OT one more time before deciding to have Obi Wan oversee the delivery of the Skywalker twins at the end of RotS.

 

The most logical implication of 'Force Ghost' Obi Wan and Yoda's brief exchange on Dagobah in TESB (Obi Wan's "That boy is our last hope," followed by Yoda's "No! There is another!") is that Obi Wan didn't even know about Leia's existence up to that point. In short, to have 'fitted' with the Dagobah exchange that's supposed to happen twenty-something-years later, in the last scene of RotS Yoda *should* have handed over *one* potentially force-sensitive twin (Luke) into Obi Wan's care, without even telling him that there was another potentially force-sensitive twin (Leia) in Bail Organa's care. Having Yoda keep the twins and their guardians tightly 'compartmentalised' in this way would have been logical as a storyline, because it would have minimised the danger to one pair if the other was compromised, just as in our modern world terrorist groups have learned to limit each cell's knowledge of other cells within their movements, to minimise the damage done by the security forces' penetration of one cell.

 

To say otherwise is surely to infer (illogically) that Obi Wan was: (a) extraordinarily absent-minded, in having forgotten about Leia; or (b) extraordinarily sexist, in totally discounting Leia's Force potential because of her sex!

 

Whatever happens with Kanan and Ezra in 'Rebels' henceforth should not be allowed to further undermine the credibility of that important Dagobah exchange. It might be suggested that, even if Yoda and Obi Wan knew about Ezra and Kanan's existence, they would have discounted them from consideration because they would not consider either of them anywhere near powerful enough to challenge Vader successfully.

 

It is most likely that Old Ben remembered there was two but just hadn't heard anything about the other twin until Yoda said there is another essentially updating him that the other twin is still alive. If you notice in the scene Old Ben isn't super surprised when Yoda says there is another. This is easily explained. No sexism no forgetfulness.

Its just another example of the lazy stupid writing of the prequels. 

 

Why wouldn't Obiwan remember Leia? Oh yeah, the idea of him being present at her birth was an afterthought shoe-horned in at the end of III.

This is 100% true and my major complaint with the prequels. George, you had like 30 years to make your two trilogies line up to each other, and then you totally mess up on so many little details! Leia remembers her mother and Luke has no memory of his mother even though Luke is the one held by Padme's head. Just switch the babies in the scene, George! Then we could all say, "Oh, it is because of the Force! Leia can remember her mother(images, feelings, being very beautiful, but sad) because even though she was just born, Leia saw her mother and the Force allowed her to connect with her"

Instead Luke is held by Padme's head and remembers nothing, yet Leia does. Or like you said, prequel Obiwan could have been written in a way to legitimatize OT Obiwan, but instead Prequel Obiwan just makes OT Obiwan seem like a douchebag. "I don't remember ever owning a droid"( but this particular droid, R2D2 was my best friend's droid for the entire time I knew him) or "You're father wanted to have it when you were old enough"( but really he screamed he hated me and I stole it) I not a huge fan of Jar Jar (who is?), but the inconsistency and lack of continuity between the trilogies bothers me way more.

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This is 100% true and my major complaint with the prequels. George, you had like 30 years to make your two trilogies line up to each other, and then you totally mess up on so many little details! Leia remembers her mother and Luke has no memory of his mother even though Luke is the one held by Padme's head. Just switch the babies in the scene, George! Then we could all say, "Oh, it is because of the Force! Leia can remember her mother(images, feelings, being very beautiful, but sad) because even though she was just born, Leia saw her mother and the Force allowed her to connect with her"

Instead Luke is held by Padme's head and remembers nothing, yet Leia does. Or like you said, prequel Obiwan could have been written in a way to legitimatize OT Obiwan, but instead Prequel Obiwan just makes OT Obiwan seem like a douchebag. "I don't remember ever owning a droid"( but this particular droid, R2D2 was my best friend's droid for the entire time I knew him) or "You're father wanted to have it when you were old enough"( but really he screamed he hated me and I stole it) I not a huge fan of Jar Jar (who is?), but the inconsistency and lack of continuity between the trilogies bothers me way more.

Or...

"Why yes, I know this droid, it was you fathers, Darth Vader is your father by the way... Oh, heres his lightsaber he would have wanted you to have! I mean I assume so, I kinda cut off his legs an arm and left him face down in volcanic ash.... He was yelling... Something about hate? I don't know, I'm sure he wanted it to go to you.... If he didn't think he just force choked your pregnant mother to death...

So how's your day been going Luke?"

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This is 100% true and my major complaint with the prequels. George, you had like 30 years to make your two trilogies line up to each other, and then you totally mess up on so many little details! Leia remembers her mother and Luke has no memory of his mother even though Luke is the one held by Padme's head. Just switch the babies in the scene, George! Then we could all say, "Oh, it is because of the Force! Leia can remember her mother(images, feelings, being very beautiful, but sad) because even though she was just born, Leia saw her mother and the Force allowed her to connect with her"

Instead Luke is held by Padme's head and remembers nothing, yet Leia does. Or like you said, prequel Obiwan could have been written in a way to legitimatize OT Obiwan, but instead Prequel Obiwan just makes OT Obiwan seem like a douchebag. "I don't remember ever owning a droid"( but this particular droid, R2D2 was my best friend's droid for the entire time I knew him) or "You're father wanted to have it when you were old enough"( but really he screamed he hated me and I stole it) I not a huge fan of Jar Jar (who is?), but the inconsistency and lack of continuity between the trilogies bothers me way more.

Or...

"Why yes, I know this droid, it was you fathers, Darth Vader is your father by the way... Oh, heres his lightsaber he would have wanted you to have! I mean I assume so, I kinda cut off his legs an arm and left him face down in volcanic ash.... He was yelling... Something about hate? I don't know, I'm sure he wanted it to go to you.... If he didn't think he just force choked your pregnant mother to death...

So how's your day been going Luke?"

 

 

Indeed.  It's one of those 'the prequels make the OT better' sort of things, in the same way Rogue One does.  If you watch the OT after the prequels, aware Obi-Wan is lying to Luke intentionally, a lot of his expressions and oddly cautious delivery suddenly makes a TON of sense.

 

I mean, he thinks he killed Anakin/Darth Vader, right?  Burnt to death on Mustafar?  Retrieved his droids and had their memories wiped?  Yet...here, after all these years...Vader's droid, at Kenobi's hideout, with Vader's son in tow.  What would YOU say to that?  How did you know something didn't survive the mind wipe, and R2-D2 just came across Luke and told him that Kenobi killed his father?

 

(As to Leia 'remembering her mother' - anyone who had lost parents before they were old enough to know them, and had 'close family' raise them in their place, would be well familiar with that.  The Organas would certainly have told Leia about Padme, have holo-images of her, her time in the Senate just part of a heritage that Leia would herself pick up, she may have even visited her tomb.  Luke's adopted parents, in contrast, were barely going to acknowledge Anakin even existed.  Absentee father - 'flew freighters during the Clone Wars' - stuff like that...)

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Are we certain that Rebels will end at Yavin? Or do you think it might go on to Hoth and even Endor?

All we know for sure is that Rebels was reported to have a 5-year storyline which would tie in with it finishing around the time of ANH. Plans could change and we don't know what will happen to the characters. Many people assume that Kanan and Ezra at least will need to "become one with the Force" by the end in order for Yoda's statement to Luke that he was the last of the Jedi to be true.

Although that could just be from a certain point of view. ;)

 

Here's your "Certian point of view."

 

"That boy is our last hope."

"No, there is another."

"Oh, right, Leia still exists. I'll have to tell Luke about her."

"Say that, over my dead body, you will.

 

 

But that's an assumption on Obiwon's part. Yoda is ACTUALLY talking about Ezra.

 

 

It does refer to Leia, the point being that no one aside from Luke or Leia would have a chance of killing Vader, seeing as he might hesitate just outright killing them. Now compare this with how he treats the other Jedi that survived, he either hunts them down or sends someone else to, there is never any mention of capture since he doesn't feel any need to pull his punches. 

 

Do you have a source for Leia being "the other" that doesnt  depend on Obi Wan's possibly-flawed assumption?'

If Ezra continues on his grey, Starkiller like trajectory, he wouldnt be Yoda's FIRST choice, but he may, like starkiller simply overpower vader.

 

 

Yoda, as he becomes one with the Force: "Luke... there is... another... Skywalker..."

Note how Yoda is very specifically calling out that there is another Skywalker specifically, and not just telling Luke he has a sister. That name has a very particular meaning in this context.

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Obi hadn't seen Leia in 20 years. Force potential doesn't equate to training or skill (unless you're from Jakku), there's no reason for Obi to assume that Leia was in any condition to constitute another hope. I dunno where you're getting this sexism nonsense from.

 

Aside from that one holomessage where she begs his help...

Wait... What? No hold on here pally, what?

 

 

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I know the scene brohanakin, I'm just wondering how the hell sexism is involved.

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Since I couldn't stand to see this thread de-rail anymore, I went and found a video that offers a really good Canon Explanation. We are comparing the pre-quel movies to the OT movies, which doesn't really work honestly, as there was so much cut out from the original adult novels to save on screen time, which is where the video gets it's information from.

 

The short of it is:

 

Yoda let the force guide the two skywalker twins to their own paths and George Lucas screwed up the end of ROTS.

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