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52 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Holy crap guys, what are you doing in here?

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Although it seems sir, we are under attack by pirates trying to define real world flight characteristics to a fictional universe that doesn't consider it a nessacary plot point, and therefore explains itself when need be and leaves the rest to imagination.

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On 2/9/2017 at 10:18 AM, Rakaydos said:

Have you heard of the old, debunked "Solar system is centered on the earth" theory? They came up with mathematically valid "Epicycles" to explain the funny apparent behavures of planets in certian parts of their trip around the earth. Then someone (I believe it was Kepler) noticed you could "zero out" all those Epicycles by changing the center of the system to the sun.

Like the old "earth is the center of the universe" folks, you are coming up with increasingly convoluted explanations to justify large numbers printed in one book 30+ years ago. All these explanations are unnesisary if you alter your assumptions.

In Rebels Season 3 Episode 2, KAnan is kicked into space without a breathmask. He manages to reach a hanger shield, but is visibly freezing from the cold and cannot breath as he approaches. He is NOT having his breath sucked out of him by vaccum.

Either there is something Jedi related going on, or there isnt actually an extreme pressure differential. "Aether in space" in Star wars is backed up by space fighters being designed like Aircraft, and more mundane concerns like sound in space.

This clearly makes their universe have different fundamental laws of physics than ours, so their neutronium would have different properties than ours. Naboo had "Plasma Mines" that the mining guild operated centuuries ago for goodness sake. (according to Chanceler Palpatine when speaking politically to naboo locals who would know if he was full of ****) These same "plasma deposits" ar supposed to be the source for Gungan ion bombs as well. This definately means that Star Wars Plasma isnt the same as Real world Plasma. There's no need for Star Wars Neutronium to have the same properties as real world neutronium.

Kanan is a Jedi, they learn how to sustain themselves with the force, some more than other likes Sion or Vader, and technically Sidious, oh and Star Killer, since with the Dark Side of the force he willed himself to survive the massive amounts of Radiation leaking from a reactor that was caused by him slamming a Terror Walker into it.  Then he threw it into hyperspace, the effects of hyper space should have also killed him, if you have red the lore on hyperspace you'll know why.

 

Then theres what Jedi are seen doing all the time, with the force they can survive very long falls and collide with fast moving objects, like speeders as seen in EP2.

 

Again, they make there fighters to be trans-atmospheric, which is a good thing in my opinion, its wise to have redundancy in there designs, in case of some sort of system failure with there other systems used for travel on the ship itself.

 

There is no sound in space in star wars.  They explained that in part of the sensors used in all star-ships to help with situational awareness, the computers simulate the sounds of things and imitate the Doppler effect those things would have if in atmosphere.

 

 

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On 2/10/2017 at 1:22 PM, digitalbusker said:

Sure, but visually they're all clearly executing banks, rolls, and other maneuvers that only make sense when moving through a fluid medium like air.

In (our) space, there's no reason for your ship to go through a long curved turn where the nose is always pointed in the direction of travel. Just turn the ship and burn in the direction you now want to go. Battlestar Galactica and Babylon Five had reasonably faithful interpretations of this.

We can imitate those types of movement now, the reason we don't is because of resource consumption.  They show in the lore SW can switch between flying like they are in atmosphere or like how we do now in space.  Having the ability to do both grants lots of tactical advantages.

On 2/10/2017 at 1:28 PM, xanderf said:

Which, of course, we can ignore since they are EU material and not canon.

Heck, you don't even have to go into the CGI series for examples.

Second Star Wars movie released - Han and Leia getting equipped to walk around what they believe to be a tunnel in an asteroid exposed to space...

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QED - 'space' in the Star Wars universe is not a vacuum.  Pretty obviously lower-pressue (there are decompression effects when pressure rapidly changes, say via an explosion), and clearly not oxygen...but not even close to a vacuum.

Although if you really want to go 'Rebels'...

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...Hi - we're in deep space, that's why we need to wear (only) masks!

Actually SW: Blade Squadron is Primary Cannon, the sources books have been re-released and reprinted,  the ones re-released without a legends tag are primary canon, not that it maters, all legends material like the Stele Chronicles, are secondary canon, secondary canon doesn't equal non-canon.

 

Also its not said anywhere the masks they used in EP5 are only masks that don't protect the body with some sort of field or such and such.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Black Knight Leader said:

Also its not said anywhere the masks they used in EP5 are only masks that don't protect the body with some sort of field or such and such.

What is more important it's not said anywhere that this is a standard procedure. I don't understand why people assume the Millennium Falcon doesn't have any environmental sensors.

 

6 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Holy crap guys, what are you doing in here?

Blame Disney XD and their 3-week breaks.

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3 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

Now see what you guys did?  You brought BKL back.

Not trying to be mean, but whenever he posts I am incredibly happy that Disney isn't bound by the old EU, because that had some really janky stuff that has nothing to do with Star Wars for me.

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all legends material like the Stele Chronicles, are secondary canon, secondary canon doesn't equal non-canon.

No such thing any more. One of the main goals of the canon reset was to make canon a boolean property: it's canon or it's not.

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The notion I have is that it has something to do with the gravitational control which exists in Star Wars. The pilots behave as though they're in 1-g regardless of fancy maneuvers, so it does extend to the fighters, and the ships are at a 90-degree angle to the direction of motion, so they have it too. And it makes perfect sense to have that level of gravity control; we know that high-g is unhealthy, and extended low-g is even worse.

An interaction with that technology might be what makes the fighters and ships behave like they're in an atmosphere; perhaps it resists sudden changes in vector?

As unsupported as that notion is one way or the other, we do know that there's no aetheric 'atmosphere' in Star Wars - there's actual evidence against it in the form of decompression events.

 

It's stylistic. Star Wars is a space opera rather than science fiction and thus doesn't need to hold up as long as it's self-consistent. The starfighters move like planes and the capital ships move like boats. Why it behaves like naval warfare isn't important. It's not about how the starfighters work so that they do is sufficient.

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BKL and the whole "secondary canon is still legit" is every bit as exasperating as the whole Star Wars is Science Fiction.  Frankly is ruining this thread.

Legends material is not canon. End of.  Pretty sure that has been made clear by  Lucasfilm.  BKL can disagree and use his own definitions all he likes, doesn't make it true. It is a resource to be mined at the Mouse's leisure but until appearing in an actual canon source anything from Legends is precisely that.. a legend.

Star Wars  as a sci-fi is a joke.  It makes little to no attempt to make scientific sense.  You want that, hit up Star Trek and enjoy Star Wars for what it is.

 

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With that off my chest ahem. New episode finally aired yesterday

Really god episode but Sabine is getting a little too Mary Sue now.  Why does she have to be a weapon engineer of global oppression scale?  She is so young but has managed to make the weapons that Empire used to oppress Mandalorian, have a bounty hunting career with Ketsu-Fenn and still have time to hook up with the Ghost crew.

It's just a touch too much.  That said I'd quite like if she's just a teenager guilt tripping herself and giving herself way too much credit for whatever went down!

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1 hour ago, kopmcginty said:

With that off my chest ahem. New episode finally aired yesterday

Really god episode but Sabine is getting a little too Mary Sue now.  Why does she have to be a weapon engineer of global oppression scale?  She is so young but has managed to make the weapons that Empire used to oppress Mandalorian, have a bounty hunting career with Ketsu-Fenn and still have time to hook up with the Ghost crew.

It's just a touch too much.  That said I'd quite like if she's just a teenager guilt tripping herself and giving herself way too much credit for whatever went down!

She designs weapons of mass destruction as some apocalyptic teenage prodigy, and does Krennic or similar pick her up for the special weapons division?

LAWLS! Nah, lets stick her in a disposable TIE/ln in the Academy.

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On 2/9/2017 at 6:03 PM, DarthEnderX said:

Or the even more likely explanation "It's a work of fiction, and the people writing that fiction don't care."

You are assuming the people writing this give as much of a **** as you do, and there's no reason that has to be the case.

This, Star Wars is space fantasy not science fiction. They don't try to follow the rules of physics or even care to. It is all about the story not realism. Some of the characters even use magical powers for suchs sake. Once you accept it is space fantasy, everything works. Don't ever over think it, because the writers sure don't. It's when Star Wars tries to be science fiction that everything falls apart, like giving a scientific explanation to the force like midiclorians.

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2 hours ago, kopmcginty said:

BKL and the whole "secondary canon is still legit" is every bit as exasperating as the whole Star Wars is Science Fiction.  Frankly is ruining this thread.

Legends material is not canon. End of.  Pretty sure that has been made clear by  Lucasfilm.  BKL can disagree and use his own definitions all he likes, doesn't make it true. It is a resource to be mined at the Mouse's leisure but until appearing in an actual canon source anything from Legends is precisely that.. a legend.

Star Wars  as a sci-fi is a joke.  It makes little to no attempt to make scientific sense.  You want that, hit up Star Trek and enjoy Star Wars for what it is.

 

BKL is a fan of alternative facts, it seems.

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5 hours ago, kopmcginty said:

With that off my chest ahem. New episode finally aired yesterday

Really god episode but Sabine is getting a little too Mary Sue now.  Why does she have to be a weapon engineer of global oppression scale?  She is so young but has managed to make the weapons that Empire used to oppress Mandalorian, have a bounty hunting career with Ketsu-Fenn and still have time to hook up with the Ghost crew.

It's just a touch too much.  That said I'd quite like if she's just a teenager guilt tripping herself and giving herself way too much credit for whatever went down!

Well, we don't know WHAT she did. Design a new bomb? Probably not. Design a new implosion trigger that raises lethality by 17% while also increasing accuracy by 9%? Well within the realm of Sabinery, and she'd still see it as "killing millions" because she knows what it's capable of doing and she's guilt tripping herself about it.

And...

My friend's daughter (7 years old) started watching Rebels. Of COURSE Sabine is her favorite character, the show's demographically designed that way. But I reckon that admiring Sabine (outspoken, unashamed to be smart and artistic, not immediately thrown into a romantic relationship because 'that's what a girl wants to see!')  is a far step above admiring some insipid Ever After/Monster High character that in ten years will just be another toy tossed in the box and taken to a thrift store.

EDIT: Plus it means that next year we can grab one of those kid's Boba Fett costumes and spraypaint it to match Sabine for her!

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I'm all for female charachters and I've never had an issue with Sabine before despite her already having rather a lot crammed into a very young back story.  It's not like there is a lack of interesting big things in her past already.

I'll soon get over it and as always enjoy the show for what it is though. It's a minor gripe really, just felt a little needless.  It's Mandalorian.. easy enough to be called a traitor there.

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13 hours ago, iamfanboy said:

Well, we don't know WHAT she did. Design a new bomb? Probably not. Design a new implosion trigger that raises lethality by 17% while also increasing accuracy by 9%? Well within the realm of Sabinery, and she'd still see it as "killing millions" because she knows what it's capable of doing and she's guilt tripping herself about it.

And...

My friend's daughter (7 years old) started watching Rebels. Of COURSE Sabine is her favorite character, the show's demographically designed that way. But I reckon that admiring Sabine (outspoken, unashamed to be smart and artistic, not immediately thrown into a romantic relationship because 'that's what a girl wants to see!')  is a far step above admiring some insipid Ever After/Monster High character that in ten years will just be another toy tossed in the box and taken to a thrift store.

EDIT: Plus it means that next year we can grab one of those kid's Boba Fett costumes and spraypaint it to match Sabine for her!

I guarantee that if Sabine wasn't an ex-13yo imperial weapons designer ex-bounty hunter your friends daughter would love her just as much.

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On 10.2.2017 at 8:22 PM, digitalbusker said:

Sure, but visually they're all clearly executing banks, rolls, and other maneuvers that only make sense when moving through a fluid medium like air.

In (our) space, there's no reason for your ship to go through a long curved turn where the nose is always pointed in the direction of travel. Just turn the ship and burn in the direction you now want to go. Battlestar Galactica and Babylon Five had reasonably faithful interpretations of this.

Battlestar Galactica is about as reasonable as the mentioned hollywood vacuum exposure. If you do a 180° degree zero-g turn without change of flight vector you do stop evading. That means you become a sitting duck which should explode before that dumb turn is done, especially at the speeds starbucks is doing them in BSG. Which makes BSG one of the most infuriating pseudo-science space combat fiction shows ever created. If you want to see GOOD space combat, watch Space: Above and Beyond. It not perfect, acceleration is not unlimited it seems, but it is pretty **** good. The thing is, if you have a main thrust vector, you want to bank slowly to prevent heavy drifting and/or massive loss of speed while accelerating into your new direction. g forces are another issue in case you don't have limitless magical inertia dampers, mostly unimportant for pitch, yaw, roll, but left, right, up, down thrust would need to be controlled, which again is a case for slower banks instead of hyper sharp turns. Not a concern for star wars, but other franchises might screw this up. :)

Spoilers and Nostalgia, Chiggy von Richthofen Fights: 

Still, B5 did an ok job too, especially with the thruster arrangement on the starfury.

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Aaron Foss said:

Sabine's mother is being voiced by Grey DeLisle. This is pretty much the best thing ever.

Also: Hot **** the wings Sabine painted on her jetpack are pretty.

The Original Asajj Ventress, love Ms. Sabine allready 

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On 2/12/2017 at 7:32 AM, Blue Five said:

No such thing any more. One of the main goals of the canon reset was to make canon a boolean property: it's canon or it's not.

It's stylistic. Star Wars is a space opera rather than science fiction and thus doesn't need to hold up as long as it's self-consistent. The starfighters move like planes and the capital ships move like boats. Why it behaves like naval warfare isn't important. It's not about how the starfighters work so that they do is sufficient.

 

Actually if you read what they say about Legends in individual interviews after the canon announcement you will see that Legends functions as secondary canon.  Even one of the writers said it was all canon and that it would only be the fine details of those stories that might become non-canon.  So if Farlander somehow didn't show up at Yavin, because what the Rebels writer said, and others, you just ignore that part of Farlanders lore, don't throw out the rest.

 Starfighters and Starships move prettymuch however they want to, even changing there flight characteristics in space.  They are not limited to terrestrial style Naval warfare maneuvers.

On 2/12/2017 at 0:51 PM, kopmcginty said:

BKL and the whole "secondary canon is still legit" is every bit as exasperating as the whole Star Wars is Science Fiction.  Frankly is ruining this thread.

Legends material is not canon. End of.  Pretty sure that has been made clear by  Lucasfilm.  BKL can disagree and use his own definitions all he likes, doesn't make it true. It is a resource to be mined at the Mouse's leisure but until appearing in an actual canon source anything from Legends is precisely that.. a legend.

Star Wars  as a sci-fi is a joke.  It makes little to no attempt to make scientific sense.  You want that, hit up Star Trek and enjoy Star Wars for what it is.

 

 

Yeah, its been made pretty clear Legends is secondary canon, treating it like it never happend goes contrary to what LFL people or people that work for them have said about legends.

Well since they have theoretical astrophysicits that work on the lore for there tech books, I have to disagree with your statement.

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