Dealing damage cards to destroyed ships

[mazz0 2,843]

Do you see how this ill-conceived idea is already starting to fall apart under scrutiny?

 

Bit harsh!  Also, that's like asking would you enforce tourny rules against a new player in a casual game.  No, of course you wouldn't.

 

I'm in the "it makes no difference, the cards are random" group.

 

What do people do when they get the Direct Hit! card?  Deal it faceup and get out a Crit token?  I deal it face down and deal another to go with it.  Bet some of you would hate that, eh?

[Blail Blerg 7,335]

An all Tie Bomber list can require you to go through more than the whole damage deck - it's 100% Hull, especially if you stick to the rule and deal cards out for surplus damage over the hull value.

 

The only time I make any kind of deal about my opponent sticking to this rule is when there are crits that should be revealed, only because it's actual information that you can learn. Even then, it matters very little. It's a rare case that you'll see all seven Direct Hits laid out and, even then, you probably shouldn't fly your Interceptors any looser as a result.

 

 

Yeah, here's the other problem to this rule.  Really the only ones we ahve the mental power to process are the 7/33 Direct Hits.  Even if you've flipped over 3 Directs and maybe 7 other crits, you still have 4/23 chances of getting a Direct Hit.

How much does that also change your play?  Usually none. 

Maybe it will entice you to spend a focus on a crit, focus roll against 3 evade dice when you were going to get shot at back.  

However with the Math Wing, its pretty much a given that you should always spend your focus anyway.  

 

Anyway, it would also all be solved by an updated damage deck too.  

[Spaceman91 805]

Do you see how this ill-conceived idea is already starting to fall apart under scrutiny?

 

Bit harsh!  Also, that's like asking would you enforce tourny rules against a new player in a casual game.  No, of course you wouldn't.

 

I'm in the "it makes no difference, the cards are random" group.

 

What do people do when they get the Direct Hit! card?  Deal it faceup and get out a Crit token?  I deal it face down and deal another to go with it.  Bet some of you would hate that, eh?

I don't think I have ever used a crit token. Something funny did happen though in my last game. I took the secondary weapons discard crit on a refit A-wing. My oppent made the joke that it had to come off and so it was an over price list there for he wins by default. He beat me 3-4 turns after.

[mazz0 2,843]

 

 

Do you see how this ill-conceived idea is already starting to fall apart under scrutiny?

 

Bit harsh!  Also, that's like asking would you enforce tourny rules against a new player in a casual game.  No, of course you wouldn't.

 

I'm in the "it makes no difference, the cards are random" group.

 

What do people do when they get the Direct Hit! card?  Deal it faceup and get out a Crit token?  I deal it face down and deal another to go with it.  Bet some of you would hate that, eh?

I don't think I have ever used a crit token. Something funny did happen though in my last game. I took the secondary weapons discard crit on a refit A-wing. My oppent made the joke that it had to come off and so it was an over price list there for he wins by default. He beat me 3-4 turns after.

 

I think he was right

 

You don't use crit tokens?  Don't you find yourself forgetting about ongoing effects?  I would.  I'd insist that my opponent uses crit tokens, otherwise I wouldn't know if he's forgetting about ongoing effects.

[dvorm 1,058]

I took the secondary weapons discard crit on a refit A-wing. My oppent made the joke that it had to come off ..

 

As a joke that's fine. In rule terms it's wrong. That card occupies a missile slot but it is not a secondary weapon.

[Spaceman91 805]

Do you see how this ill-conceived idea is already starting to fall apart under scrutiny?

 

Bit harsh!  Also, that's like asking would you enforce tourny rules against a new player in a casual game.  No, of course you wouldn't.

 

I'm in the "it makes no difference, the cards are random" group.

 

What do people do when they get the Direct Hit! card?  Deal it faceup and get out a Crit token?  I deal it face down and deal another to go with it.  Bet some of you would hate that, eh?

I don't think I have ever used a crit token. Something funny did happen though in my last game. I took the secondary weapons discard crit on a refit A-wing. My oppent made the joke that it had to come off and so it was an over price list there for he wins by default. He beat me 3-4 turns after.

 

I think he was right

 

You don't use crit tokens?  Don't you find yourself forgetting about ongoing effects?  I would.  I'd insist that my opponent uses crit tokens, otherwise I wouldn't know if he's forgetting about ongoing effects.

I can hand on heart say my group of friends have never forgot effects, let's be honest they are all things that really hurt. I put the crit that sharp turns are red on his interceptor. He really couldn't forget that mawhahahahaha

[mazz0 2,843]

I can hand on heart say my group of friends have never forgot effects, let's be honest they are all things that really hurt. I put the crit that sharp turns are red on his interceptor. He really couldn't forget that mawhahahahaha

But you don't know you've forgetten unless one of you remembers.  I forget stuff all the time.

[Spaceman91 805]

I can hand on heart say my group of friends have never forgot effects, let's be honest they are all things that really hurt. I put the crit that sharp turns are red on his interceptor. He really couldn't forget that mawhahahahaha

But you don't know you've forgetten unless one of you remembers.  I forget stuff all the time.

The card is right in front of you. We haven't had this problem yet. Its funny because we have forgotten all sorts of other things. I'm sure it's because it's such a pain that it stays in the brain.

The one that removes etp is the one I hate most.

[mazz0 2,843]

The card is right in front of you. We haven't had this problem yet. Its funny because we have forgotten all sorts of other things. I'm sure it's because it's such a pain that it stays in the brain.

The one that removes etp is the one I hate most.

 

It's the ones that have an effect that kicks in when you do a certain maneuver that get me, like take damage when you do a red.  I generally remember that when I actually do the move  

Edited November 7, 2014 by mazz0

[That Blasted Samophlange 6,649]

Maarek Stele approves of this thread.

Of course no one flies him...

[Spaceman91 805]

Maarek Stele approves of this thread.

Of course no one flies him...

If only Etahn could turn to the dark side.

Edit: that should read Eating In A Boat.

Edited November 7, 2014 by Spaceman91

[any2cards 2,433]

It doesn't matter whether or not dealing the cards out has a material impact to the game.

 

It is a rule in the game.  If this was Fly Casual, I could probably deal with it.

 

This is the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS tournament we are talking about here.  How can they not play by all of the rules?

 

What message do you send / what precedent do you set - if you ignore some of the rules, especially in THIS setting?

Edited November 7, 2014 by any2cards

[Parakitor 5,583]

and you know what would fix the running out of cards problem?  Printing a new damage deck 

I've said it before, but I asked the designers at GenCon and they said they acknowledge there's a deficiency in the current damage deck and they're looking into ways to address it. Our time will come!

[Parakitor 5,583]

What do people do when they get the Direct Hit! card?  Deal it faceup and get out a Crit token?  I deal it face down and deal another to go with it.  Bet some of you would hate that, eh?

Yeah, actually that does bother me  . I don't say anything, but I cringe when people do that. The card counts as two, it doesn't say to deal another. But the only time that really makes a difference is against Saboteur, which nobody runs anyway. In the end it's probably not a big deal, I guess.

Edited November 7, 2014 by Parakitor

[mazz0 2,843]

Well, I half agree with you, but then the other half of me says no matter how high profile the tournament, if it doesn't make any actual difference and neither player cares, then fair enough.

 

Edit: That was a response to any2cards, not Parakitor.

 

@Parakitor - yeah, I get why it would annoy you even when it doesn't make a difference, and if my opponent asked me to do it properly I wouldn't have the slightest problem with it.

Edited November 7, 2014 by mazz0

[Keffisch 2,642]

 

What do people do when they get the Direct Hit! card?  Deal it faceup and get out a Crit token?  I deal it face down and deal another to go with it.  Bet some of you would hate that, eh?

 

Wouldn't hate it no, but at a Premier event I would call the TO over to the table; and have him/her make a decision, as it is not playing by the rules - as written.

[Royals 320]

Direct Hits only count as two hits.  You don't deal another Hit Card.  Pretty simple.

[mazz0 2,843]

Direct Hits only count as two hits.  You don't deal another Hit Card.  Pretty simple.

I meant and turn the direct hit face down.  I wasn't adding a hit!

[dvorm 1,058]

 

Direct Hits only count as two hits.  You don't deal another Hit Card.  Pretty simple.

I meant and turn the direct hit face down.  I wasn't adding a hit!

Then you have two cards face-down for saboteur to turn face-up. That's not the same as a face-up direct hit.

[Jaden Ckast 325]

Ya during the summer tournament there was a few players trying to get people to deal 2 damage cards when taking a direct hit. I had to clarify that for them haha. Also many of the players said we had to share 1 damage deck I had to clarify that as well. To be fair tho they were new players so I kindly told them during events they would need their own damage deck but that I would do it this once for them since they were new and all. However some said "does it really matter if we share, it's not a big deal" to that I said "well your just increasing the chance one of us may get a direct hit card so ya that's a big deal haha".

[Pogie 113]

 "well your just increasing the chance one of us may get a direct hit card so ya that's a big deal haha".

 

Huh?...It's been a long time since I sat in math class but the chances of drawing a crit are the same if you are playing with one deck, two decks or a hundred decks assuming all of the decks are identical.

[Jaden Ckast 325]

"well your just increasing the chance one of us may get a direct hit card so ya that's a big deal haha".

Huh?...It's been a long time since I sat in math class but the chances of drawing a crit are the same if you are playing with one deck, two decks or a hundred decks assuming all of the decks are identical.

More cards are being pulled from 1 deck vs 2 decks. Maybe "increasing your chances" was the wrong term to use but the time it takes to receive a direct card is reduced when 2 players are drawing from a single deck. Say for example there is a direct hit card laying 3 cards from the top and you take a damage card then your opponent takes a damage card now the next card available is the direct hit card which you might possibly get. Normally YOU would have had to receive 2 damage cards before the direct hit card is available but now since your both sharing a deck you only needed to receive 1 damage card before it became available. See what I mean? Your pulling from 33 cards instead of 66. Assuming your taking equal damage that would mean pulling 2 cards from 33 cards vs 2 cards from 66 cards. Doesn't that change some math involved?

It's the same for your opponent since he could be the one that ends up with the DH card so sharing a deck is really not good for anyone.

Edited November 7, 2014 by Jaden Ckast

[mazz0 2,843]

 

 

Direct Hits only count as two hits.  You don't deal another Hit Card.  Pretty simple.

I meant and turn the direct hit face down.  I wasn't adding a hit!

Then you have two cards face-down for saboteur to turn face-up. That's not the same as a face-up direct hit.

Oooh, good point!