Reversed Accounts - and generalized "losses"

[ProfMoriarty 11]

So, the ruling on False Lead is such that, if the runner cannot lose 2 clicks when that agenda is forfeited, the runner loses no clicks.

 

This leads me to surmise that Reversed Accounts will work similarly: if the runner does not have at least 4 times the amount of advancements on Reversed Accounts when the corporation chooses to use it (i.e. click and trash it), the runner will lose ... no credits.

 

Example: Runner has 7 credits, RA has 1 token: Runner loses 4 credits.  But, if RA had 2 tokens, Runner doesn't lose 7, nor does the runner lose 4 - they lose 0.

 

Practically this means either the runner burns a click to run and 3 credits to trash or the corp has a 8 or 12 credit body slam available to them, but I'm surprised I've not found this question elsewhere (or, perhaps, I'm just asking a dumb question).

 

Unless, of course, the processing of something like RA is that you trigger one token at a time.  Which seems ... somewhat ludicrous to me, since the state of the Asset is determined by the number of tokens on it, and not that each token can be individually sacrificed to force a loss of 4 credits.

 

The only sticking point that makes me think I'm missing something is, that "if able".  False Lead specifies "if able".  Reversed Accounts does not - which makes me wonder if, in the general case, the use of "if able" means MUST BE EXACT, and the lack of "if able" means "up to and including".  I hope not, as that will have other impacts I'm sure.

[CommissarFeesh 458]

The 'if able' is relevant. If that was missing, you would lose as many clicks as you could, up to two.

With Reversed Accounts, you'll lose as many credits as you have up to the amount required by the card.

[ProfMoriarty 11]

... which is fine if borne out... but it frustrates me that they didn't just print "up to" in front of the "4" on RA.

[Grimwalker 647]

well then it would be more ambiguous, because a runner with 4+ credits could say "well it doesn't say I *have* to lose 4." 

[CommissarFeesh 458]

All the 'lose something' cards work this way. I'm pretty sure there was a ruling by Lukas a while ago.