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I ordered Warhammmer 40k Conquest and Android: Netrunner several days ago. My copy of 40k arrived to my doorstep (literally) today. Found it on my doorstep as i came home from work. Excited, i opened up the box and went through all the cards. Initial impression...disappointed.

I've watched the tutorials and other youtube videos before hitting the buy button and despite not being particularly impressed by the gameplay, i bought in to the W40k hype and thought i would give Conquest a chance.

So does anyone else feel this game is over-hyped? I've read a lot of reviews and each of the reviews state how beautiful the cards are. Really? Some cards are so dark i can barely figure out what the card is. I can't imagine how it got pass the QA department. This is especially true of the Dark Eldar and Chaos cards. Very disappointed! Compare those two factions to Eldar and Space Marines and it is literally night and day. I understand the former two are "dark" factions but this is just going too far.

Gameplay wise, Conquest is nothing innovative.

I like the small box it is packed in though, and it is one of the reasons why i chose to pick up this lcg. Sadly, everything else in the box is a disappointment.

Hopefully Android will be better! Very impressed by the gameplay i watched on youtube. It is unique and the developers are free to make new cards without constraints or not following lore, unlike Conquest.

Maybe someone in the UK would like to trade my copy of brand new Conquest for their Android?

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I have not played a single game. That is not the point here though. If the art is too dark, which is why i am disappointed, it does not matter if i have never played a game of it. This is a Card game first and foremost. If the card is poorly printed, it detracts from the overall enjoyment of the game.

The game mechanic is also nothing to write home about, unfortunately. There is no 'wow' factor. First impressions are everything. I bought the game not for the gameplay. I bought it because of the 40k theme and other reviews claiming how gorgeous the cards are. Some of the cards do look nice. Half of the core set should be much brighter. Maybe you like driving around in an ice-cream truck with a souped up engine, i sure don't.

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You can't please everybody. A game doesn't have to be innovative to be good. Art is icing, the gameplay should be the core of the experience. 

 

My first impression wasn't that good for this game, but after I played it, I realized how this game works. A lot of subtleties, all decisions are crucial. That's capturing the heart of the 40k experience, in my opinion. 

 

Yes, it's not going to perfectly emulate the true 40k experience, but what do you expect from a card game? Netrunner is very complicated and a lot of people like that. Unfortunately, the complexity turns people away. 

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I played a 40k card game awhile ago (10+ years), quite a bit of the art is recycled from that. I don't care, as it's the game play I care about.

 

I feel that the 7 races capture the feel of their tabletop armies. The more I play (still less then 10 games in) the more I pick up on things I should have done, or slightly minor things that can have a huge impact.

 

I really enjoy the game so far, and have ordered a second core set.

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Actually to be fair...art and aesthetics matter a lot to me as well.

 

One of the best co-op card games ever hardly gets any play from me because I can't stomach the art and design. (Sentinels of the Multiverse)

 

That said, I don't find much wrong with the design on WH40kLCG. FFG recycles art, that's to be expected from given IPs to save money, but honestly, FFG is probably like S-ranked tier when it comes to presentation in their games. They really set the bar for alot of aspiring game designers and publishers.

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Art DOES matter - it's certainly not irrelevant. I have been turned off games before due to poor artwork.

However, I'm surprised anyone would buy a game and NOT have the primary reason for buying it be THE GAME. I'm sorry to say that I have no sympathy; if you've bought into the game just because of the theme then that was your mistake. I hope you don't also buy horrible video games based on movies you like.

Incidentally, all the card art is available to peruse before puchase, either at CardGabeDB.com or by scanning the QR code on the back of the box.

For all that I probably sound hostile there, I genuinely hope you enjoy Netrunner more. It's my favourite game by a long shot. The card art is typically very clear and vribrant, although there are of course some cards with much worse art than others.

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Art DOES matter - it's certainly not irrelevant. I have been turned off games before due to poor artwork.

However, I'm surprised anyone would buy a game and NOT have the primary reason for buying it be THE GAME. I'm sorry to say that I have no sympathy; if you've bought into the game just because of the theme then that was your mistake. I hope you don't also buy horrible video games based on movies you like.

Incidentally, all the card art is available to peruse before puchase, either at CardGabeDB.com or by scanning the QR code on the back of the box.

For all that I probably sound hostile there, I genuinely hope you enjoy Netrunner more. It's my favourite game by a long shot. The card art is typically very clear and vribrant, although there are of course some cards with much worse art than others.

 

I guess I would be surprised someone would buy this game knowing enough about it to have an idea they wouldn't like the gameplay and NOT know broadly what the artwork would be like, if you see what I mean? I didn't go through every single preview or spoiler for this game, I read a handful of the news stories on FFG and the faction previews, and that's about it. Even then, there were no surprises in terms of the art, at all! It's more modern 40k than the overly gothic Blanchitsu, and that is completely what I expected.

 

Also, yeah, Netrunner is awesome, and I find actually the interaction of flavour and mechanics is extremely well done there, probably second to none in any card game I have played. I still marvel at how brilliant a card Pop-up Window is in marrying flavour and mechanics!

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It does seem that some of you are not very good at comprehension or just don't care to read past the title of this topic.

The word 'dark' used in my first post refers to the artwork being 'not very bright' to the point that it becomes difficult to see what the art is depicting. Take for example the Dark Eldar drake (or was it chaos?). It has a dark central object with a dark background. It might have looked pretty if it was a full sized poster but it is not. It is a tiny card and that makes it look like some black blotch with text written beneath it.

Also, some people, like me, buy a card game because we like collecting them. I played WFB tabletop back in the 90s. I have never played 40k before but have always been interested in it. This game gives me a chance to collect an army without breaking the bank or having to paint miniatures which invariably always turn out very poor. So to my great disappointment, the armies i like (Chaos) have art that are pretty substandard (in terms of lighting).

To whoever said buying a game just for the theme rather than mechanics is silly, i beg to differ. Have you never watched a subpar movie just because your favourite actor/actress was in it? I did. A lot of times too.

My copy of Android has been dispatched and my offer still stands. Anyone in the UK wanting to trade their Android for my brand new Conquest, send me a message!

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Wait, so you bought the game and haven't played it...yet don't like the game mechanics??

I'm not even sure where to go from here.

 

I know where to go from here: to the fridge, because i need a drink...

 

 

Some people buy the game because they like the artwork.

Others buy it because they like the rules.

this guy apearantly bought it because he likes to complain about it.

 

Now, where's my drink? :)

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I was blown away by this game. Even better than i imagined after i played. Love the art as well. Its managed to take the best of all the lcgs and cut away all the fat that slows the others down. LOve the tactics and gameplay. WOW!

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It does seem that some of you are not very good at comprehension or just don't care to read past the title of this topic.

The word 'dark' used in my first post refers to the artwork being 'not very bright' to the point that it becomes difficult to see what the art is depicting. Take for example the Dark Eldar drake (or was it chaos?). It has a dark central object with a dark background. It might have looked pretty if it was a full sized poster but it is not. It is a tiny card and that makes it look like some black blotch with text written beneath it.

Also, some people, like me, buy a card game because we like collecting them. I played WFB tabletop back in the 90s. I have never played 40k before but have always been interested in it. This game gives me a chance to collect an army without breaking the bank or having to paint miniatures which invariably always turn out very poor. So to my great disappointment, the armies i like (Chaos) have art that are pretty substandard (in terms of lighting).

To whoever said buying a game just for the theme rather than mechanics is silly, i beg to differ. Have you never watched a subpar movie just because your favourite actor/actress was in it? I did. A lot of times too.

My copy of Android has been dispatched and my offer still stands. Anyone in the UK wanting to trade their Android for my brand new Conquest, send me a message!

 

Musn't make a "not very bright" joke, musn't... :)

 

I'll agree with you that some people (me included) like to collect games for the artwork. And that having bad artwork can spoil the fun. Now, to get rid of a game because of the art on a few factions is a bit harsh, but hey, it's your money!

I hope you' ll like android and that your copy of conquest goes to someone who will like it better.

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My copy of Android has been dispatched and my offer still stands. Anyone in the UK wanting to trade their Android for my brand new Conquest, send me a message!

 

No thanks, Conquest is better anyway.  :)   Plus, the Chaos art looks fantastic to me.  It has just the right type of lighting and coloration for the faction.  Awesome stuff.

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I have no issues with the card and I think the Black Legion Heldrake looks awesome!  I have no issues at all telling what is in the card art and I think that this LCG has some of the best art out of all of them.  I'm sorry you didn't like it, but you really should play it before giving it away, this game has a lot of depth to it.  In my opinion, it has a lot more depth than Netrunner.

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You could view all art on cardgamedb well before you ordered. I find it difficult to figure out the tempting differences of all lcgs at first to I can tell cards apart at a glance. However eventually I figure it out and its no problem Honestly all card games have this problem usually. Art wise I have no problem its all nice so no complaints.

 

Honestly this topic just seems to be I don't like the art from the game this game is themed after is any disappointed the art is sticking to the theme?

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Wait, so you bought the game and haven't played it...yet don't like the game mechanics??

I'm not even sure where to go from here.

 

I know where to go from here: to the fridge, because i need a drink...

 

 

Some people buy the game because they like the artwork.

Others buy it because they like the rules.

this guy apearantly bought it because he likes to complain about it.

 

Now, where's my drink? :)

 

You spelled apparently wrong (sticks tongue out) ha ha!

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Wait, so you bought the game and haven't played it...yet don't like the game mechanics??

I'm not even sure where to go from here.

 

I know where to go from here: to the fridge, because i need a drink...

 

 

Some people buy the game because they like the artwork.

Others buy it because they like the rules.

this guy apearantly bought it because he likes to complain about it.

 

Now, where's my drink? :)

 

You spelled apparently wrong (sticks tongue out) ha ha!

 

 

Guess i had to many drinks ;)

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It does seem that some of you are not very good at comprehension or just don't care to read past the title of this topic.

The word 'dark' used in my first post refers to the artwork being 'not very bright' to the point that it becomes difficult to see what the art is depicting. Take for example the Dark Eldar drake (or was it chaos?). It has a dark central object with a dark background. It might have looked pretty if it was a full sized poster but it is not. It is a tiny card and that makes it look like some black blotch with text written beneath it.

Also, some people, like me, buy a card game because we like collecting them. I played WFB tabletop back in the 90s. I have never played 40k before but have always been interested in it. This game gives me a chance to collect an army without breaking the bank or having to paint miniatures which invariably always turn out very poor. So to my great disappointment, the armies i like (Chaos) have art that are pretty substandard (in terms of lighting).

To whoever said buying a game just for the theme rather than mechanics is silly, i beg to differ. Have you never watched a subpar movie just because your favourite actor/actress was in it? I did. A lot of times too.

My copy of Android has been dispatched and my offer still stands. Anyone in the UK wanting to trade their Android for my brand new Conquest, send me a message!

 

Holy crap I cannot contain myself for this one. You bought a game, looked at the art and said "some of this art is to dark, SELLING IT" and you have not even played a game yet? The level of stupidity of this astounds me.

 

I really hope the best for you in your selling Conquest box. If I ever had to sit down and play a game with someone so completely asinine, my head would probably implode from the magnitude of it. 

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