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Please define "Meta".

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The meta consists of the lists considered most competitive in tournaments, so when you build a list and consider the meta game your trying to build a force capable of defeating those popular lists.

Currently you want a build able to kill fat Han falcon builds, phantoms and tie swarms.

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The link above really covers it.  The short version is all the thinking/prep you put into before even reaching a tabletop.  Plus thinking about what others are thinking about and what they might be thinking you are thinking.  etc

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It's a self-fullfilling prophecy where when some people think something is good, might do well with it, more people use it because some other people either use it or did well with it. It feeds upon itself until everyone thinks they know what the "meta" is.

 

And that is the cruel joke that is "metagaming".

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Meta in the are of a game like X-Wing refers to what lists are currently popular.

 

To play the meta game, you should bring a list that counters the currently popular lists.  A lot of people just use it bring the list thats currently popular, I think that misses the point of the meta.

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'Meta' to me more is defined as the game outside of the game.  All of the things you need to know and all of the tactics you need to bring to the table to succeed in a competitive environment.  Knowing what lists are the most powerful, what ships and combos do the best for each faction, what counters there are out there to each of these power combos and ships.

In the end, knowing the meta is knowing thy enemy.  And only by knowing them can you hope to defeat them. 

A good player will take the meta into account when designing his list, he'll bring with him tools and more importantly, tactics for countering the meta, and ultimately, define the meta themselves. 

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'Meta' to me more is defined as the game outside of the game.  All of the things you need to know and all of the tactics you need to bring to the table to succeed in a competitive environment.  Knowing what lists are the most powerful, what ships and combos do the best for each faction, what counters there are out there to each of these power combos and ships.

In the end, knowing the meta is knowing thy enemy.  And only by knowing them can you hope to defeat them. 

A good player will take the meta into account when designing his list, he'll bring with him tools and more importantly, tactics for countering the meta, and ultimately, define the meta themselves. 

 

This is how I see it as well.  The "metagame" is knowing about all the "other" stuff that may not actually be part of the game you are currently playing in.

 

In a roleplaying game the "metagame" would be considered the things that may be "player knowledge" but isn't necessarily "character knowledge."  It involves knowing the various "rules/game mechanics" and how they get used.  It also involves a broader situational awareness of things a player may know or deduce but which a character in the game isn't likely to know.

 

In X-Wing this metagame information can actually include ship statistic but more importantly knowledge of all the upgrades and more importantly the cost of those upgrades.  How those rules influence squad building is something that players consider but not really something the "pilots" may be influenced by.

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It's a list of the best/most common lists in the current state of the game. If you play competitively and don't take them into account when practicing and building your own list, you're probably not going to get far.

If you play with a group of friends, you probably have a local meta. Changing your list to better deal with what your friends use is metagaming too.

Edited by Koshinn

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It's a list of the best/most common lists in the current state of the game. If you play competitively and don't take them into account when practicing and building your own list, you're probably not going to get far.

If you play with a group of friends, you probably have a local meta. Changing your list to better deal with what your friends use is metagaming too.

 

Yes, Koshinn has it right.

 

As the other posters indicate, there are numerous related definitions, but it does seem that this is the most salient definition as it's used on this forum in this game.

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To add to the above, it goes beyond simply list building, and takes into consideration the tactics that can be used in a game. The most extreme recent example is Dash Rendar in HLC Outrider being able to barrel roll, and move through and onto obstacles. He loves making you try and chase him through the new debris fields. You'll want to think about how to deal with this before placing obstacles, and even before selecting your ships.

 

So, more accurately stated, both the popular lists and the in-game tactics affect the meta game of list building and opening deployment strategies.

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So, more accurately stated, both the popular lists and the in-game tactics affect the meta game of list building and opening deployment strategies.

 

Okay, I hadn't contemplated that inclusion into the definition, but it seems to make sense. So, what's the overarching conceptual definition, rather than a listing of things that might be included?

 

I would amend Koshinn's definition (which I just endorsed) to be the following:

 

It's a list of the best/most common lists in a common understanding of the current state of the game. If you play competitively and don't take them it into account when practicing and building your own list, you're probably not going to get far.

If you play with a group of friends, you probably have a local meta. Changing your list to better deal with what your friends use is metagaming too.

Edited by Mikael Hasselstein

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I think Richard Garfield put it best.

The Metagame is the game you play when you're not playing the game. In that case he was referring to the stuff you did with MtG when you weren't playing a dual.

So it's list building, it's collecting cards, it's discussing tactics and strategy, it's working out formations, ect...

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