Darth Ruin 513 Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) Fat Falcons have ruined the small ship meta; when 6 out of 8 top lists at any given tournament and 25-30% of the player base are carbon copies of the same silly Falcon build utterly killing diversity it's time we had some action from FFG. I vote that C3P0's text be errata'd to Huge Ship Only. Edited August 27, 2014 by Darth Ruin 2 Toppis and oncogene reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Julio 45 Posted August 27, 2014 They do not have ruined anything, and it is easy enough to develop lists countering that, which will significantly decrease the use of Fat Falcons down the road. And, C3P0 is good, but not THAT good, since it only works ONCE per round. Therefore, if you have a swarm as an opponent for example, C3P0 will not change much. Bottom line: it does not need to be banned and is not OP in any way. 19 LukesFather, CatPeeler, BonusJoe and 16 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caliber42 228 Posted August 27, 2014 And I thought today was going to be a slow day on the boards... -Cal 9 Slugrage, Vimnock, Osoling and 6 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zarynterk 284 Posted August 27, 2014 And correct me if I am wrong... but its a guess??? You guess first and if you're right you get an extra... am I missing something here about the sooopa OP 3PO lol? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EvilEd209 1,474 Posted August 27, 2014 This one again? So after we ban C3P0 and Advanced Cloaking Devices, where will that put us? 1 z0m4d reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nurglez 364 Posted August 27, 2014 if you guess 0, you either get your natural evade and not c3po's, or you get c3po's. Combined with falcon title thats 2 100% evades per turn. 2 oncogene and EvilEd209 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sithborg 11,447 Posted August 27, 2014 No. 8 BahnCalamari, maxx, alemondemon and 5 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JFunk 257 Posted August 27, 2014 The sky is falling... again? 5 Slain309, ghaerdon2, z0m4d and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zarynterk 284 Posted August 27, 2014 if you guess 0, you either get your natural evade and not c3po's, or you get c3po's. Combined with falcon title thats 2 100% evades per turn. Ok this makes more sense to me... but as stated above if you're facing Howl with a bunch of TIEs thats 14 shots coming at you, some of which will get to re-roll a miss... yeah don't see that as being OP. 1 FTS Gecko reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdmiralThrawn 1,090 Posted August 27, 2014 OMG everything is so OP, we should just ban all ships and upgrades and to make it fair we can all just play as asteroids. 49 haslo, Hockeyzombie, butterbaste and 46 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Dakotan 5,068 Posted August 27, 2014 OMG everything is so OP, we should just ban all ships and upgrades and to make it fair we can all just play as asteroids. Exogorth OP 5 Punning Pundit, Millennium Falsehood, Parakitor and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Dakotan 5,068 Posted August 27, 2014 3PO isn't much use on huge ships though is he? Since it'd only happen if being shot at at range 3 or through an asteroid right? P.S. no need to ban anything. 1 Rob Jedi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nikk whyte 3,865 Posted August 27, 2014 Also, we held a pre-rebel aces store tourney in north atlanta yesterday. I believe I only saw 2 falcon lists, out of 20 total players. 1 tantive4 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EvilEd209 1,474 Posted August 27, 2014 Rock - TIE SwarmPaper - TIE PhantomScissors - Fat Falcons w/3P0 and MF title3P0 is good, but had some hard counters, just like TIE Phantoms do, just like Swarms do... 5 FTS Gecko, Pirx, Shocker and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markcsoul 2,110 Posted August 27, 2014 I've suggested two possible fixes in other threads but I'll post them again here. 1) Can't guess 0 for evades 2) Can't be used on a ship with MF title The second option doesn't make much sense lore wise, so option 1 is probably better. 2 Torresse and EvilEd209 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vorpal Sword 14,685 Posted August 27, 2014 Fat Falcons have ruined the small ship meta; when 6 out of 8 top lists at any given tournament and 25-30% of the player base are carbon copies of the same silly Falcon build utterly killing diversity it's time we had some action from FFG. I vote that C3P0's text be errata'd to Huge Ship Only. You know, I'm trying to construct a logical response to this, but I'm tired and grumpy and I just can't. Maybe we could we all just agree that I composed some lengthy post explaining in detail why this is crazy, and proceed on that basis? 43 Skindog, Millennium Falsehood, butterbaste and 40 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sithborg 11,447 Posted August 27, 2014 Because the only thing better than banning a card is errata'ing it into near uselessness. 2 DR4CO and z0m4d reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth Ruin 513 Posted August 27, 2014 Why is it crazy? Do you have some vested interest in playing only two lists ever in tournaments, Fat Han/ Phantom Miniswarm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gundog8324 440 Posted August 27, 2014 I would prefer it to be changed to 1 or more dice not when rolling more than 0 dice. But putting it on a huge ship is nearly useless because they can roll 0 dice unless at range 3+ against primary attacks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blail Blerg 6,902 Posted August 27, 2014 The problem is that both of those lists are massive extremes and winning one might mean losing to the other. Here's a question. Who actually can fight a phantom with a suboptimal build against it? What build did you use (and why it's bad against the phantom)? And how did you fly to overcome that? 1 catachanninja reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Explosive Ewok 660 Posted August 27, 2014 OMG everything is so OP, we should just ban all ships and upgrades and to make it fair we can all just play as asteroids. Oh come on, asteroids can take away actions and the ability to fire. SO MUCH OVERPOWERDZ 9 negative9, Hobojebus, z0m4d and 6 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Urrgok 124 Posted August 27, 2014 Actually, I'd rather see Biggs banned. Not because he's wildly overpowered, I just think the idea of taking away player choices (in Biggs's case, the opponent's choice of target) runs counter to what tabletop gaming is all about. And yes, I understand this will never happen, so no need to debate the likelihood of FFG actually pulling Biggs from the game. 2 Vorpal Sword and Hobojebus reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sithborg 11,447 Posted August 27, 2014 That's why Ruthlessness is being introduced into the game. And if Threepio is THAT big of a problem on the Falcon, why aren't you packing Outmaneuver. 4 EvilEd209, VanorDM, algnc and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman91 805 Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) Yay I haven't seen a random troll thread for a while ( week maybe ). 1. It does not need fixing, too many thing can mess it up. 2. Who has cookies? I'm bored and want cookies. Edited August 27, 2014 by Spaceman91 6 Vonpenguin, Vorpal Sword, Slain309 and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheTuninator 65 Posted August 27, 2014 In most competitive games, the meta tends to sort itself out, given time. X-Wing is no different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites