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Rick, don't let that idiot in the crowd get to you. I happen to know that guy really well, he comes from a competitive martial arts background and this is his first minis game and first time at gen con. He definitely was out of line and didn't even think about your feelings and his poor etiquete during your guys' match. He had 3 days of x wing and was super pumped to see his friend fellow ohioan/store player make it to the finals! He did come up and ask why he was allowing you to recloak which was incredibly rude and unprofessional of him. He then went back and talked to Jeff's brother about how he should have vaped that phantom. But Jeff is a class act and knows about the pressure of the cameras and the crowd and this unempathetic idiot clearly wasn't thinking about it. I know for a fact that guy has definitely moved on and after reading your topic feels like an ass and is truly sorry. He definitely respects you as a player and person and hopes you can forgive him. He was just super excited for his friend and behaving like a football fan and being a jerk.

In case you guys haven't figured it out I'm the guy Rick is referring to and I feel absolutely terrible for my behavior. I didn't think about etiquette and had no business being visibly upset. Please don't take it personal as it had nothing to do with you! You and Jeff and better players than I and in that scenario a better person. I am humbled and feel ashamed of my actions and I hope you can forgive me as I was just an excited fan who didn't realize the consequences of his actions. I hope you can forgive me and we meet across the table as friends and have an amazing game!

My sincerest apologies

Ben.

Good on you dude. It takes a lot to apologize publicly like that. The force is strong with this one.

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Rick, don't let that idiot in the crowd get to you. I happen to know that guy really well, he comes from a competitive martial arts background and this is his first minis game and first time at gen con. He definitely was out of line and didn't even think about your feelings and his poor etiquete during your guys' match. He had 3 days of x wing and was super pumped to see his friend fellow ohioan/store player make it to the finals! He did come up and ask why he was allowing you to recloak which was incredibly rude and unprofessional of him. He then went back and talked to Jeff's brother about how he should have vaped that phantom. But Jeff is a class act and knows about the pressure of the cameras and the crowd and this unempathetic idiot clearly wasn't thinking about it. I know for a fact that guy has definitely moved on and after reading your topic feels like an ass and is truly sorry. He definitely respects you as a player and person and hopes you can forgive him. He was just super excited for his friend and behaving like a football fan and being a jerk.

In case you guys haven't figured it out I'm the guy Rick is referring to and I feel absolutely terrible for my behavior. I didn't think about etiquette and had no business being visibly upset. Please don't take it personal as it had nothing to do with you! You and Jeff and better players than I and in that scenario a better person. I am humbled and feel ashamed of my actions and I hope you can forgive me as I was just an excited fan who didn't realize the consequences of his actions. I hope you can forgive me and we meet across the table as friends and have an amazing game!

My sincerest apologies

Ben.

 

Good Form

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As most others here have already commented, the decision to allow or not allow the forgotten tokens was up to your opponent.  In my opinion, I think it was excellent form for him to allow you to rectify that silly mistake.  However, I will say that I would not have faulted him in the slightest for not allowing it.  That was his prerogative and his only.  Do not feel bad for claiming your win.

 

Personally I would have felt it a hollow victory for if I would have been in his shoes and told you "no" for something so obviously intended and then killed or heavily wounded Whisper that turn.  I will say this though, I am not forgiving on mistakes that involve decisions.  For example in a match I have had an opponent misjudge his maneuver template and flew a full, or nearly full, health ship off the board by about 1/8-1/4 of an inch to escape a firing arc.  In that case I didn't allow any take backs because he thought he could make the turn and misjudged.  However, if it would have been an brain fart accident and he did a hard left that took him way off the board when it was clear he meant to turn the dial to a hard right and stay on the board, I would allow the correction.

 

Your mistake falls into the "clearly an accident" category...

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man Dark Templar, you are the coolest guy ever. you goto a tourny and you get a whole thread made about you doing something wrong....

I gotta say, you really did deserve to win. I really wanted to stay and watch your game and give you the support of having someone around who was on your side, as I know how much that means. I know I talked a little bit about how his list ran (gave you no strategies on taking it down however)

 

If I was at a round like that, I would of let you have your mistake back, easily. Im sure if he took damage, then placed dials, you would of let him have his R2D2 before the ship moved.  The round had not progressed far enough that a decision about cloaking would of mattered.

congrats on winning the nationals!

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Rick, don't let that idiot in the crowd get to you. I happen to know that guy really well, he comes from a competitive martial arts background and this is his first minis game and first time at gen con. He definitely was out of line and didn't even think about your feelings and his poor etiquete during your guys' match. He had 3 days of x wing and was super pumped to see his friend fellow ohioan/store player make it to the finals! He did come up and ask why he was allowing you to recloak which was incredibly rude and unprofessional of him. He then went back and talked to Jeff's brother about how he should have vaped that phantom. But Jeff is a class act and knows about the pressure of the cameras and the crowd and this unempathetic idiot clearly wasn't thinking about it. I know for a fact that guy has definitely moved on and after reading your topic feels like an ass and is truly sorry. He definitely respects you as a player and person and hopes you can forgive him. He was just super excited for his friend and behaving like a football fan and being a jerk.

In case you guys haven't figured it out I'm the guy Rick is referring to and I feel absolutely terrible for my behavior. I didn't think about etiquette and had no business being visibly upset. Please don't take it personal as it had nothing to do with you! You and Jeff and better players than I and in that scenario a better person. I am humbled and feel ashamed of my actions and I hope you can forgive me as I was just an excited fan who didn't realize the consequences of his actions. I hope you can forgive me and we meet across the table as friends and have an amazing game!

My sincerest apologies

Ben.

 

Hey all. Because atomic relised his error its all good right. Problem solved and know one should feel bad at each other. There is know one else be be upset about so its all good.

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Rick, don't let that idiot in the crowd get to you. I happen to know that guy really well, he comes from a competitive martial arts background and this is his first minis game and first time at gen con. He definitely was out of line and didn't even think about your feelings and his poor etiquete during your guys' match. He had 3 days of x wing and was super pumped to see his friend fellow ohioan/store player make it to the finals! He did come up and ask why he was allowing you to recloak which was incredibly rude and unprofessional of him. He then went back and talked to Jeff's brother about how he should have vaped that phantom. But Jeff is a class act and knows about the pressure of the cameras and the crowd and this unempathetic idiot clearly wasn't thinking about it. I know for a fact that guy has definitely moved on and after reading your topic feels like an ass and is truly sorry. He definitely respects you as a player and person and hopes you can forgive him. He was just super excited for his friend and behaving like a football fan and being a jerk.

In case you guys haven't figured it out I'm the guy Rick is referring to and I feel absolutely terrible for my behavior. I didn't think about etiquette and had no business being visibly upset. Please don't take it personal as it had nothing to do with you! You and Jeff and better players than I and in that scenario a better person. I am humbled and feel ashamed of my actions and I hope you can forgive me as I was just an excited fan who didn't realize the consequences of his actions. I hope you can forgive me and we meet across the table as friends and have an amazing game!

My sincerest apologies

Ben.

 

This guy right here is a real man.  Kudos to you, sir! 

Edited by dojimaster

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Rick, don't let that idiot in the crowd get to you. I happen to know that guy really well, he comes from a competitive martial arts background and this is his first minis game and first time at gen con. He definitely was out of line and didn't even think about your feelings and his poor etiquete during your guys' match. He had 3 days of x wing and was super pumped to see his friend fellow ohioan/store player make it to the finals! He did come up and ask why he was allowing you to recloak which was incredibly rude and unprofessional of him. He then went back and talked to Jeff's brother about how he should have vaped that phantom. But Jeff is a class act and knows about the pressure of the cameras and the crowd and this unempathetic idiot clearly wasn't thinking about it. I know for a fact that guy has definitely moved on and after reading your topic feels like an ass and is truly sorry. He definitely respects you as a player and person and hopes you can forgive him. He was just super excited for his friend and behaving like a football fan and being a jerk.

In case you guys haven't figured it out I'm the guy Rick is referring to and I feel absolutely terrible for my behavior. I didn't think about etiquette and had no business being visibly upset. Please don't take it personal as it had nothing to do with you! You and Jeff and better players than I and in that scenario a better person. I am humbled and feel ashamed of my actions and I hope you can forgive me as I was just an excited fan who didn't realize the consequences of his actions. I hope you can forgive me and we meet across the table as friends and have an amazing game!

My sincerest apologies

Ben.

I was really pretty conflicted about whether or not to even publish this post. When I finally decided to do so I told myself I wasn't going to reply, I wasn't going to "like" I was just going to move on.

Reading through all the replies so far I'm blown away. Thanks to everyone for their support. Some of the stories you all shared were just awesome. This is an amazing community and sometimes posts like these really give people the opportunity to share just how awesome it is. So many "likes' to you all.

So I wasn't going to respond until I read Ben's post. Ben, thanks bro. You are a stand up guy. All is definitely forgiven and I hope we have the opportunity to play some time.

...Ohh and to the rest of you...keep your hands off my new ships!!!!

Have fun and fly casual all!!

 

Coolest thread ever!

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I was there during the whole finals, sitting next to you since your first match against Dom (I am Francois, the french guy with red hair)

 

I have a huge gaming experience including in high reward tournaments.

 

And I chose to play and watch X-wing among dozens of games at GenCon, even if I was just a beginner in this game.

And I wanted to tell you, even before reading your post:

 

YOU  EPITOMIZE  WHAT  I  LIKE  IN  THIS  COMMUNITY.

 

 

You were humble, focussed, but not stressful (and I insist on this combination as being really unjoyable to play against)

you played the original squad you liked, although you were listening to others point of view, even humble beginners.

 

I am convinced that you would have returned the favor in the opposite situation.

 

I want to win my games by playing them well,

not because my opponent kind-of-forgot an obvious action.

 

We are 'trained' to play 'shamelessly' as the right way to go, especially in other competitive games -

My salute to all players who play as they feel it should be the best experience for everyone.

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As long as you catch the mistake before moving on in the game, there really is no harm. It's not like Whisper died before you realized you were supposed to be cloaked.

 

Don't sweat a few people getting upset. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

 

Congrats on your win. Enjoy it and look forward to Worlds!

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I think the focus should be on the positive here. Rather than focus on the mistake, how about centering on the fact that during the finals of a tournament, both players were able to "fly casual". Let's see that in any other tournament finals!

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Rick, don't let that idiot in the crowd get to you. I happen to know that guy really well, he comes from a competitive martial arts background and this is his first minis game and first time at gen con. He definitely was out of line and didn't even think about your feelings and his poor etiquete during your guys' match. He had 3 days of x wing and was super pumped to see his friend fellow ohioan/store player make it to the finals! He did come up and ask why he was allowing you to recloak which was incredibly rude and unprofessional of him. He then went back and talked to Jeff's brother about how he should have vaped that phantom. But Jeff is a class act and knows about the pressure of the cameras and the crowd and this unempathetic idiot clearly wasn't thinking about it. I know for a fact that guy has definitely moved on and after reading your topic feels like an ass and is truly sorry. He definitely respects you as a player and person and hopes you can forgive him. He was just super excited for his friend and behaving like a football fan and being a jerk.

In case you guys haven't figured it out I'm the guy Rick is referring to and I feel absolutely terrible for my behavior. I didn't think about etiquette and had no business being visibly upset. Please don't take it personal as it had nothing to do with you! You and Jeff and better players than I and in that scenario a better person. I am humbled and feel ashamed of my actions and I hope you can forgive me as I was just an excited fan who didn't realize the consequences of his actions. I hope you can forgive me and we meet across the table as friends and have an amazing game!

My sincerest apologies

Ben.

I was really pretty conflicted about whether or not to even publish this post. When I finally decided to do so I told myself I wasn't going to reply, I wasn't going to "like" I was just going to move on.

Reading through all the replies so far I'm blown away. Thanks to everyone for their support. Some of the stories you all shared were just awesome. This is an amazing community and sometimes posts like these really give people the opportunity to share just how awesome it is. So many "likes' to you all.

So I wasn't going to respond until I read Ben's post. Ben, thanks bro. You are a stand up guy. All is definitely forgiven and I hope we have the opportunity to play some time.

...Ohh and to the rest of you...keep your hands off my new ships!!!!

Have fun and fly casual all!!

 

Thank you so much Rick I truly appreciate it and can rest easier. I do love competing and winning but I never wanted to be "that guy" who takes the fun from someone else. We've got it really good! We have a solid, fun, inexpensive star wars game with great designers who listen and are involved with the players. But most importantly we have awesome community and player base that truly makes us stand out. So thank you for accepting my apology and helping me realize that I was being "that guy" and I'll make sure not to do it again :)

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Just gonna skip all the back and forth.

 

Whatever happens on the table is between the two people playing it and the judge.

 

If you made a mistake and your opponent lets you correct it, rock on.

 

If you made a mistake and he didn't let you correct it, rock on.

 

 

edit: ha should actually read posts :P, glad it all got sorted

Edited by winters_night

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Rick, don't let that idiot in the crowd get to you. I happen to know that guy really well, he comes from a competitive martial arts background and this is his first minis game and first time at gen con. He definitely was out of line and didn't even think about your feelings and his poor etiquete during your guys' match. He had 3 days of x wing and was super pumped to see his friend fellow ohioan/store player make it to the finals! He did come up and ask why he was allowing you to recloak which was incredibly rude and unprofessional of him. He then went back and talked to Jeff's brother about how he should have vaped that phantom. But Jeff is a class act and knows about the pressure of the cameras and the crowd and this unempathetic idiot clearly wasn't thinking about it. I know for a fact that guy has definitely moved on and after reading your topic feels like an ass and is truly sorry. He definitely respects you as a player and person and hopes you can forgive him. He was just super excited for his friend and behaving like a football fan and being a jerk.In case you guys haven't figured it out I'm the guy Rick is referring to and I feel absolutely terrible for my behavior. I didn't think about etiquette and had no business being visibly upset. Please don't take it personal as it had nothing to do with you! You and Jeff and better players than I and in that scenario a better person. I am humbled and feel ashamed of my actions and I hope you can forgive me as I was just an excited fan who didn't realize the consequences of his actions. I hope you can forgive me and we meet across the table as friends and have an amazing game!My sincerest apologiesBen.

I was really pretty conflicted about whether or not to even publish this post. When I finally decided to do so I told myself I wasn't going to reply, I wasn't going to "like" I was just going to move on.Reading through all the replies so far I'm blown away. Thanks to everyone for their support. Some of the stories you all shared were just awesome. This is an amazing community and sometimes posts like these really give people the opportunity to share just how awesome it is. So many "likes' to you all.So I wasn't going to respond until I read Ben's post. Ben, thanks bro. You are a stand up guy. All is definitely forgiven and I hope we have the opportunity to play some time....Ohh and to the rest of you...keep your hands off my new ships!!!!Have fun and fly casual all!!

At least post a pic of the unboxing!

And may I suggest a "fly casual" upgrade design.

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Just gonna skip all the back and forth.

 

Whatever happens on the table is between the two people playing it and the judge.

 

If you made a mistake and your opponent lets you correct it, rock on.

 

If you made a mistake and he didn't let you correct it, rock on.

 

 

edit: ha should actually read posts :P, glad it all got sorted

 

Actually, a thought on this.  Was playing in a Magic tournament, where people had crowded around me.  I drew a card that would let me surprise my opponent and take the win.  Some idiot behind me went "OOOOOOHHHH!".  

Thanks.  

 

I think that the audience should not have any reaction that affects the game.  While I would not want a rule that says that the audience can't speak or make noises, even things like explaining how something works in the game in the rules to a new player can have an adverse effect when a game starts to have numerous complicated interactions.  X-wing is getting to that point.  

 

I agree.  The happens of the match are between the two players and the judge and beholden to none other.  I think that should just be a general, casual, social rule.  =)

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DT,

 

Anyone who's been to an X-Wing event that ran for more than 12 hours and have made the top cut, only to face excitement and anxiety in a semi- or final game can tell you that your brain is mush, well and truly smashed at that point.

 

Mistakes will happen.

Your opponent was not only a good sportsman, he was also a nice person when he let you cloak.

Don't feel bad about it, because if it was in one of the earlier games, you would have remembered to place the cloak token and he knew this.

 

What kind of victory would it be for him anyway if he didn't beat you at your best?

That he lost due to that crucial cloak is what WOULD have happened, had your brain not locked up because of the 3PO + DTF chimachanga.

Edited by Keffisch

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Mistakes will happen.

Sure, but minimizing the number of mistakes you make is part of being a good player. The fact that you're tired doesn't mean you're entitled to fix your mistakes. You're obviously entitled to be generous and let your opponent go back and change something, but I strongly dislike this attitude that good sportsmanship requires letting them get away with it.

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