Corran Horn vs. Corran Horn

[Aminar 1,949]

Of course if you destroy Airen with a ship of the same PS he DOES get to give a free action to another ship.

Sure, but you're dealing with ships of the same PS, which specifically was not true in this case.If it was a question of PS8 Corran vs PS8 Corran, I'd say the answer would be quite obvious. But when you have a PS10 vs PS8 Corran, that changes things. Or at least that was my original interpretation.But the more I think about it, the more the idea that any action that can trigger off the same event, goes off makes sense.

Exactly.

[WonderWAAAGH 7,153]

Basically, what we have precedence for here is a stack-like mechanic (assuming such didn't already exist). Cue inevitable grumbling. 

Edited August 12, 2014 by WonderWAAAGH

[VanorDM 11,599]

Basically, what we have precedence for here is a stack-like mechanic...

Well as was pointed out above, we sorta already did with Swarm Tactics. If both players have it, both get to use it. The difference being that with ST there's not really any way the ship can be destroyed before it uses it...

But there's also the stacking if you have more then one ship with ST, with a FIFO system.

[WonderWAAAGH 7,153]

Oh, I know. I've discussed the stack before, and people tend to get riled up pretty quickly for some strange reason.

[Slugrage 5,011]

I suppose what I find weird though, at least to my mindset, is that PS doesn't enter into it at all. To that end, I'm going to play devil's advocate here and make up an example that's something of reductio ad absurdum and equally ridiculously hypothetical...

Imagine, if you will... a battle winding down between Wedge and a lone remaining Academy TIE fighter pilot.

Fearless Rebel pilot Wedge (at PS 9) is equipped with Magical Upgrade that allows him a second attack at the beginning of the End Phase, just like his buddy Corran can do. However, the Empire has duplicated the Magical Upgrade technology and it's installed on the hapless Academy TIE Fighter Pilot (at PS 1), so now she gets to fire at the beginning of the End Phase along with Wedge. Since Wedge and his buddies from Rogue Squadron came out all with a fully loaded squad at 100 points, and the hapless Empire squad slipped into the combat at 99 points, the Imperials ended up with initiative. The two ships end up pointing right at each other and survive through the Combat Phase. Now the End Phase comes along... Wedge, being the ace pilot that he is now finds himself equally gunned by the total n00b TIE pilot, who  gets to fire first. I find that weird, in a thematic sense. Maybe Wedge should have just aimed a bit better in the Combat Phase.

 

But, rulez iz rulez, so we stick with what was told to us. And I'm (mostly) okay with that.

[Aminar 1,949]

I suppose what I find weird though, at least to my mindset, is that PS doesn't enter into it at all. To that end, I'm going to play devil's advocate here and make up an example that's something of reductio ad absurdum and equally ridiculously hypothetical...

Imagine, if you will... a battle winding down between Wedge and a lone remaining Academy TIE fighter pilot.

Fearless Rebel pilot Wedge (at PS 9) is equipped with Magical Upgrade that allows him a second attack at the beginning of the End Phase, just like his buddy Corran can do. However, the Empire has duplicated the Magical Upgrade technology and it's installed on the hapless Academy TIE Fighter Pilot (at PS 1), so now she gets to fire at the beginning of the End Phase along with Wedge. Since Wedge and his buddies from Rogue Squadron came out all with a fully loaded squad at 100 points, and the hapless Empire squad slipped into the combat at 99 points, the Imperials ended up with initiative. The two ships end up pointing right at each other and survive through the Combat Phase. Now the End Phase comes along... Wedge, being the ace pilot that he is now finds himself equally gunned by the total n00b TIE pilot, who  gets to fire first. I find that weird, in a thematic sense. Maybe Wedge should have just aimed a bit better in the Combat Phase.

 

But, rulez iz rulez, so we stick with what was told to us. And I'm (mostly) okay with that.

Eh. It makes perfect sense to me that Pilot Skill has no bearing on effects other than move and attack order in the regular phase. Abilities have never been affected by the pilot skill of the ship unless the trigger of the ability was. Why would this one? I mean technically all attacks are rpughly simultaneous with hairtwitch differences between each group. The academy pilot is firing maybe a second or two after Wedge real time. In the end phase they both spotted an attack of opportunity and hammered the shots at the same time. Like simultaneous fire.

[Kyla 1,411]

I suppose what I find weird though, at least to my mindset, is that PS doesn't enter into it at all. To that end, I'm going to play devil's advocate here and make up an example that's something of reductio ad absurdum and equally ridiculously hypothetical...

Imagine, if you will... a battle winding down between Wedge and a lone remaining Academy TIE fighter pilot.

Fearless Rebel pilot Wedge (at PS 9) is equipped with Magical Upgrade that allows him a second attack at the beginning of the End Phase, just like his buddy Corran can do. However, the Empire has duplicated the Magical Upgrade technology and it's installed on the hapless Academy TIE Fighter Pilot (at PS 1), so now she gets to fire at the beginning of the End Phase along with Wedge. Since Wedge and his buddies from Rogue Squadron came out all with a fully loaded squad at 100 points, and the hapless Empire squad slipped into the combat at 99 points, the Imperials ended up with initiative. The two ships end up pointing right at each other and survive through the Combat Phase. Now the End Phase comes along... Wedge, being the ace pilot that he is now finds himself equally gunned by the total n00b TIE pilot, who  gets to fire first. I find that weird, in a thematic sense. Maybe Wedge should have just aimed a bit better in the Combat Phase.

 

But, rulez iz rulez, so we stick with what was told to us. And I'm (mostly) okay with that.

I love devil's and advocates, so I'll bite.

 

In your example, it makes perfect sense - if both sides used "magical upgrade technology" then it isn't Wedge's inherent ability that determines the shot, it's the magical upgrade tech.  If the Academy Pilot had exact mimic tech, then it makes sense both go at the same time as they are not the ones allowing the attack but instead the equivalent tech that is doing so.

 

Hence - they occur simultaneously.