New to X-wing Question(s)

[RevRebelRun 0]

So i've picked up the core set and a few extra ships. My question is; "are pilots interchangable with any ship -i.e. could Luke fly an A-wing or Han a Y-wing?"

[Sergovan 1,440]

The pilots are specific to the ship cards they are on. Luke is in the X-wing and Han is in the YT-1300 as pilots. Some iconic named crew cards exists that are both pilots and crew. Luke and Han have crew cards that can be added to any ship that has a crew upgrade slot.

 

In X-wing, the pilots are not interchangeable between ships as pilots.

[Parravon 5,217]

Also, If you've got Luke as a crew member, you can't have him flying his X-Wing as well (see Unique Names, page 18).

 

A word of advice: read the rulebook thoroughly before you start, have a few games, then read the rulebook again. After a few games, you'll have a better insight as to how things work. Also, download the latest FAQ document. It has a lot of explanations and clarifications that many new players find helpful.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp?eidm=174&esem=4

 

Good Luck

Edited July 21, 2014 by Parravon

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

A word of advice: read the rulebook thoroughly before you start, have a few games, then read the rulebook again.

This pretty much applies to every game. Even monopoly I would recomend this, yet it is amazing the number of people I have met who think they can learn a game without reading the rules even once.

[Parravon 5,217]

 

A word of advice: read the rulebook thoroughly before you start, have a few games, then read the rulebook again.

This pretty much applies to every game. Even monopoly I would recomend this, yet it is amazing the number of people I have met who think they can learn a game without reading the rules even once.

 

So very true. Even down in my part of the world, that seems to be a standard problem. Something I've found with most games is the more you re-read the rulebook, the more you pick each time.

[Slugrage 5,011]

Some learn by reading, some don't.
Some learn by doing, some don't.
Some learn by being taught, some don't.

Everyone is different.

[AlphaTwo 135]

I've been wanting to ask a question like this one for months now. Can the TIE Interceptor Pilots be used with the Imperial Aces ships, specifically can the 181st pilots from the TIE Interceptor pack be used with the actual 181st TIE Interceptor from the Aces pack since both sets have the same Interceptor icon on the cards ?

[Slugrage 5,011]

Yes, any Interceptor model can be used for any Interceptor pilot card. Unless you're playing with someone who has some deep-seated issues with it. Just like any X-Wing Pilot can use either the "stock" X-Wing model that came with the core and expansion, or the slightly different paintjob X-Wing that came with the Transport. Same will hold true for Rebel Aces once it comes out.

 

Edited July 21, 2014 by Slugrage

[AlphaTwo 135]

Thanks Slugrage!

[Buhallin 4,563]

Just a minor note on this...  We had a bit of a go-round on the whole "right colors" issue over on BGG, and the general consensus was that if you can fly the right colors, you should do so in order to try and avoid confusing your opponent.  And intentionally reversing the colors (like flying red Fel and bloodstriped Jax in the same squad) is very bad sportsmanship.

 

But I don't think I've come across anyone who requires correct colors, just find the best mix you can to avoid confusion with what you've got.

[Aminar 1,949]

Just a minor note on this...  We had a bit of a go-round on the whole "right colors" issue over on BGG, and the general consensus was that if you can fly the right colors, you should do so in order to try and avoid confusing your opponent.  And intentionally reversing the colors (like flying red Fel and bloodstriped Jax in the same squad) is very bad sportsmanship.

 

But I don't think I've come across anyone who requires correct colors, just find the best mix you can to avoid confusion with what you've got.

Not going to lie, that's ludicrous.  You can play them on any Interceptor pilot you want.  There's no sportsmanship involved in it.

Edited July 21, 2014 by Aminar

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

Gotta go with aminar here. There is what, maybe a half a percent of players who have any idea at all what paint job a particular pilot should be flying? Most people playing have probably never even heard of a blood stripe on an interceptor.

[StevenO 2,996]

I've been wanting to ask a question like this one for months now. Can the TIE Interceptor Pilots be used with the Imperial Aces ships, specifically can the 181st pilots from the TIE Interceptor pack be used with the actual 181st TIE Interceptor from the Aces pack since both sets have the same Interceptor icon on the cards ?

 

An Interceptor is an Interceptor so you can mix and match pilots and ships from ImpAce and the Expansion how ever you like.  The tournament rules allow for any paint scheme on a model although it does forbid modified models so putting fins on the red Royal Guard Interceptor makes it an illegal model.

 

You could paint all of your ships a uniform flat black if you wanted (please don't unless you're just priming them for more a better paint job) and as long as the model matches up with what the pilot flies you can use it.

 

As for putting Fel in the red Interceptor and Jax in the one with the bloodstripe it is perfect legal although I will agree/admit it can make things a little bit confusing.  As for how "unsportsmanlike" it is there should be no thoughts of "crying foul!!" and claiming that your opponent is hurting your game because of it.

[tiefanatic 453]

 

Just a minor note on this...  We had a bit of a go-round on the whole "right colors" issue over on BGG, and the general consensus was that if you can fly the right colors, you should do so in order to try and avoid confusing your opponent.  And intentionally reversing the colors (like flying red Fel and bloodstriped Jax in the same squad) is very bad sportsmanship.

 

But I don't think I've come across anyone who requires correct colors, just find the best mix you can to avoid confusion with what you've got.

Not going to lie, that's ludicrous.  You can play them on any Interceptor pilot you want.  There's no sportsmanship involved in it.

 

True. i like to try to fly them with the color their supposed to have but it doesn't matter. No sportsmanship involved.

[Buhallin 4,563]

Gotta go with aminar here. There is what, maybe a half a percent of players who have any idea at all what paint job a particular pilot should be flying? Most people playing have probably never even heard of a blood stripe on an interceptor.

Then most people playing shouldn't care what's flown at what, and if asked to fly correct colors shouldn't have a problem doing so.

 

I think more people than you give credit for will know what it is.  As a basis, I'd say anyone who's every looked at the cards for the two pilots would know what each ship looks like.

 

If you're taking known colors and switching them to attempt to confuse your opponent, that's certainly a sportsmanship issue.

[Aminar 1,949]

 

Gotta go with aminar here. There is what, maybe a half a percent of players who have any idea at all what paint job a particular pilot should be flying? Most people playing have probably never even heard of a blood stripe on an interceptor.

Then most people playing shouldn't care what's flown at what, and if asked to fly correct colors shouldn't have a problem doing so.

 

I think more people than you give credit for will know what it is.  As a basis, I'd say anyone who's every looked at the cards for the two pilots would know what each ship looks like.

 

If you're taking known colors and switching them to attempt to confuse your opponent, that's certainly a sportsmanship issue.

 

Anybody that easily confused may need to reevaluate their hobbies.  This is a thinking persons game.  We aren't six year olds.

And functionally, no, we shouldn't care what model is on what beyond what the rules declare so far as our opponents go, that is their decision.

[Buhallin 4,563]

Let's lay the whole thing out here.

 

First, a foundation: Can we all assume that trying to deceive your opponent by non-game means is bad sportsmanship?  There are limited ways you can do this in X-wing, but ignore examples and focus on the concept.  Is that something you consider acceptable?  If you think it's fine, you can stop reading now: we're not going to agree.  If you do think that sort of out-of-game manipulation is unacceptable, let's continue.

 

If we accept that intentionally creating confusion in the game is bad sportsmanship, does this have the potential to cause confusion?  For people who know the colors, certainly.  If I know your list has Fel and Jax in it and no other interceptors, I never need to look at the base - the color of the ship tells me all I need in order to distinguish them, just as surely if it were Fel and Howlrunner.

 

Will this affect more than half a percent of players?  I think it will, but more importantly, is it bad sportsmanship if it only confuses half a percent of players?  Is taunting an opponent bad sportsmanship if they get riled up, but fine if they ignore it?  Should we decide good or bad based on how many people would fall for it?

 

What if someone just likes the red and wants to use it for all their ships?  I think generally that purely aesthetic interests come second to the game.  That said, I actually don't see it as a problem if all your ships are the same.  That tells your opponent they need to look closer.  So if you really like red and want to fly all red, go for it.  If your fondness for red just happens to only extend to Fel...

 

What if they don't have the ships to fly the right colors?  There is (I think) an obvious caveat for people without enough models to fly the right colors.  If you can't, and it ends up being confusing, you get it as close as you can.  Try and make it as easy to distinguish and as logically meaningful as possible.

 

I'm honestly amazed there's any pushback on this.  If you're using out-of-game means to confuse your opponent and make them lose track of which ship is which, that's bad sportsmanship in my book.  It's no different than playing tricksy games with your cards to make them forget which ship has which upgrade, or who's got a focus and who doesn't.  Players should do what they can to make the game state as clear as possible to everyone involved.  That includes not intentionally playing on expectations for which ship has which paint job.

[Buhallin 4,563]

 

Anybody that easily confused may need to reevaluate their hobbies.  This is a thinking persons game.  We aren't six year olds.

So your evaluation of sportsmanship IS based on what you can get away with.  I'll file that away for reference.  Says a lot about a person.

[DailyRich 3,346]

Isn't it pretty standard to tell your opponent what you're flying before a match starts?  We do that every single game.  "I've got Wedge with Swarm Tactics and two Red Squadron pilots with etc etc etc."  Your pilot cards are out on the table, able to be viewed by your opponent whenever they like.  The ship itself has the pilot tile right there on the base.  But no, I'm trying to pull a fast one by flying a red Interceptor using a pilot who, according to some book somewhere I may have never read, never flew a red Interceptor.  Okay.

[Buhallin 4,563]

Isn't it pretty standard to tell your opponent what you're flying before a match starts?  We do that every single game.  "I've got Wedge with Swarm Tactics and two Red Squadron pilots with etc etc etc."  Your pilot cards are out on the table, able to be viewed by your opponent whenever they like.  The ship itself has the pilot tile right there on the base.  But no, I'm trying to pull a fast one by flying a red Interceptor using a pilot who, according to some book somewhere I may have never read, never flew a red Interceptor.  Okay.

I'm going to ignore attempts to make statements of motive and focus on the potential for it to be confusing.

 

Ignoring the rules for a moment, if I were to use an Interceptor model for Backstabber, would that have the potential to be confusing?  The cards are on the table, the plate is on the base, it clearly says Backstabber.  Nobody should find that confusing, right?  And if I just like the look of Interceptors more than TIE Fighters, why can't I do that?  After all, the ship is really just there for show, right?  What's the difference between different colors and different wings?  I'd also be willing to bet more people know the 181st wear bloodstripes than know what ship Backstabber flew on screen.  Should that matter?

 

For certain pilots in the game, the paint scheme is as distinctively identifying as the ship, and carries just as much meaning.  The Royal Guard is red.  Bloodstripes means the 181st.  Screwing with that expectation can screw with your opponent just as surely as putting the wrong ship.

 

All I'm saying is that you should try and respect your opponent.  If they are someone who did read that book that you never did, and they say "Hey, would you mind flipping Fel and Jax to the right colors?  With them backwards like that it'll confuse me" you should be willing to respect that even without the weight of lore behind it.  And if you're going to try and confuse your opponent about which ship is which that's wrong, regardless of how you do it.  I'm honestly pretty shocked at the number of people who seem to find that idea offensive, like your right to not care about the color is somehow unacceptably infringed by those who know the lore.  It seems very strange.

[Aminar 1,949]

Anybody that easily confused may need to reevaluate their hobbies.  This is a thinking persons game.  We aren't six year olds.

So your evaluation of sportsmanship IS based on what you can get away with.  I'll file that away for reference.  Says a lot about a person.

No my point is anyyyybody trying nonsense like that to win is both an idiot, and trying to take advantage of the mentally handicapped themself. Basically, it's a non-issue.

[TezzasGames 1,014]

You are free to play whatever Interceptor model you like for any Interceptor pilot.

The colour is irrelevant - it's stated as such in the Tournament Rules.

This has nothing to do with being a poor sport.

 

Each pilot has a named tile that slots into the bottom of the ship's base.

Numbered tabs can also be inserted into the base for further clarification.

 

Your opponent has the responsibility to keep track of your clearly identified ships.

[Buhallin 4,563]

 

 

Anybody that easily confused may need to reevaluate their hobbies.  This is a thinking persons game.  We aren't six year olds.

So your evaluation of sportsmanship IS based on what you can get away with.  I'll file that away for reference.  Says a lot about a person.

No my point is anyyyybody trying nonsense like that to win is both an idiot, and trying to take advantage of the mentally handicapped themself. Basically, it's a non-issue.

 

Except that it's not.  The original discussion on BGG included at least one guy who thought the extra bit of confusion he might get was totally worth it, and several of us who know the lore well enough to use the ship colors as a mental shorthand and would prefer to avoid the potential for confusion.

 

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go drool in a corner until my nurse shows up to change my diapers.

[Parravon 5,217]

For those deeply invested in the lore of Star Wars, I can see this would be irksome. However, it is a wargame, and all's fair in love and war. I routinely run Dark Curse and Backtabber and one of the guys I play routinely target locks Dark Curse. Am I supposed to mark DC with a big "No TL" flag for his benefit? Don't think so. His name is on the ship base, that should be enough. I've told him who the pilot is and what his skill is. That's enough disclosure for him to make his own conclusion.

I've camouflage painted some of my 6mm Epic Space Marine armies to match the terrain I own so that the models are harder to spot. Is that bad sportsmanship? Should I have painted them in their brighter chapter colours instead? The choice is mine as to what I field for any game and how the models are presented.

That being said, I would not put an Interceptor on a TIE Fighter stand just because it looked cooler. That's not bad sportsmanship, it's just plain cheating. But colour schemes mean nothing to me in this game. I'm a big Star Wars fan, but I'm not that serious about. I'd never seen Blood Stripes or Royal Guard red Interceptors until I started playing this game. I don't care if some book I've never read says Jax only flew a red Interceptor, or a yellow one, or a blue one. It just doesn't matter to me. If I want to take him out during a game, I'm going to check the name on the ship base. That's the bit that counts.

[AlphaTwo 135]

Sorry about opening the can of worms there guys. I've just read too many of the comics and books, and Fel is one of my favorite characters. Seeing the pilot cards from the Interceptor pack showing the 181st Interceptors as the art, I really wanted to have the ship to match them.

 

There is no way I personally could ever put Fel or the others with the Royal Guard Interceptor, that would be wrong to me on so many levels.

 

Although I still find it weird they picked Jax and Kir as RGI Pilots, neither one ever flew those. They were Royal Guards not TIE Pilots. But it is pretty hard to find very many named Imperial pilots, there can't be too many left at this point for FFG to use.

Edited July 21, 2014 by AlphaTwo