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I hope there is an assult Gunboat flying around in the backround on a future card. You guys would go nuts.

 

You're not kidding.

 

Although we haven't had the Yevethan D-Type Trifoil Fighter yet, so it's not as though it would mean anything if it happened!  :lol:

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Wow, I didn't know the Gunboat was canon. This is terrific! FFG can't ignore it forever!

What??? As far as I know it's not.... Unless it was in some new comic I haven't seen yet

 

 

It was in Star Wars Tie Fighter the game.  It is definitely canon.  The EU storylines are all "legends" so nothing story wise is tied to the EU arcs anymore, but that is different from saying all the ships that aren't in post Mouse era material are removed from canon.  The bigger question is does it bring something interesting to the game.  I would argue it does, but not more so than what previous waves have delivered.  The question is if there is an opening in Wave 9 for it.

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Wow, I didn't know the Gunboat was canon. This is terrific! FFG can't ignore it forever!

What??? As far as I know it's not.... Unless it was in some new comic I haven't seen yet

 

 

It was in Star Wars Tie Fighter the game.  It is definitely canon.  The EU storylines are all "legends" so nothing story wise is tied to the EU arcs anymore, but that is different from saying all the ships that aren't in post Mouse era material are removed from canon.  The bigger question is does it bring something interesting to the game.  I would argue it does, but not more so than what previous waves have delivered.  The question is if there is an opening in Wave 9 for it.

 

Be careful when you mention the Quasi-canon state of legends otherwise BKL will come back. 

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Wow, I didn't know the Gunboat was canon. This is terrific! FFG can't ignore it forever!

What??? As far as I know it's not.... Unless it was in some new comic I haven't seen yet

 

 

It was in Star Wars Tie Fighter the game.  It is definitely canon.  The EU storylines are all "legends" so nothing story wise is tied to the EU arcs anymore, but that is different from saying all the ships that aren't in post Mouse era material are removed from canon.  The bigger question is does it bring something interesting to the game.  I would argue it does, but not more so than what previous waves have delivered.  The question is if there is an opening in Wave 9 for it.

 

*looks over shoulder to confirm no BKL*

 

Pre-Mouse is non-canon. Legends is a sourcebook they'll draw from but the Gunboat isn't canon until it's used in something narrative.

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Wow, I didn't know the Gunboat was canon. This is terrific! FFG can't ignore it forever!

What??? As far as I know it's not.... Unless it was in some new comic I haven't seen yet

 

 

It was in Star Wars Tie Fighter the game.  It is definitely canon.  The EU storylines are all "legends" so nothing story wise is tied to the EU arcs anymore, but that is different from saying all the ships that aren't in post Mouse era material are removed from canon.  The bigger question is does it bring something interesting to the game.  I would argue it does, but not more so than what previous waves have delivered.  The question is if there is an opening in Wave 9 for it.

 

Be careful when you mention the Quasi-canon state of legends otherwise BKL will come back. 

 

*shudders and crosses self*

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This ship is from the EU. The EU is no longer canon thanks to the mouse. Therefore it would make no sense to expect this ship from ffg, who is now owned by the mouse.

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This ship is from the EU. The EU is no longer canon thanks to the mouse. Therefore it would make no sense to expect this ship from ffg, who is now owned by the mouse.

 

Please talk to: (From earliest appearance) the HWK 290, The TIE Defender (SAME SOURCE!) The TIE Phantom, the VT49 Decimator, (canonized since). The Trilon Aggressor, The Star Viper, the Syck, the TIE Interdictor (punisher) The K-wing, the Khirazx,  the Mist hunter(Byblos G1) and the Jumpmaster 5000.

 

 

Wow. I don't think I've ever crushed anyones logic that hard? That's a record even for me. Also, I only mentioned ships. Not pilots and crew cards that are firmly EU only. Hey, Ever play Soontir Fel or Turr Phenir as an interceptor? If you wanna go canon purist you can't use them. Corran Horn? Nope. Even Dash - his ship was in ESB sure but He isn't canon.

 

Also, honourable mention to the Raider Corvette - which was made for this game.

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This ship is from the EU. The EU is no longer canon thanks to the mouse. Therefore it would make no sense to expect this ship from ffg, who is now owned by the mouse.

 

By this logic it would also make no sense to have expected the Punishing one.  Dengar was in the movies, but the JM5000 was EU.  There is always the corner case they see fit to outright delete the Gunboat from history... but it doesn't seem to follow their current trend at all.

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This ship is from the EU. The EU is no longer canon thanks to the mouse. Therefore it would make no sense to expect this ship from ffg, who is now owned by the mouse.

Also, FFG are not "owned by the mouse", any more than they're owned by theOrk, the slow-writing Beard or the dreaming lord of R'lyeh.

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This ship is from the EU. The EU is no longer canon thanks to the mouse. Therefore it would make no sense to expect this ship from ffg, who is now owned by the mouse.

 

Please talk to: (From earliest appearance) the HWK 290, The TIE Defender (SAME SOURCE!) The TIE Phantom, the VT49 Decimator, (canonized since). The Trilon Aggressor, The Star Viper, the Syck, the TIE Interdictor (punisher) The K-wing, the Khirazx,  the Mist hunter(Byblos G1) and the Jumpmaster 5000.

 

 

Wow. I don't think I've ever crushed anyones logic that hard? That's a record even for me. Also, I only mentioned ships. Not pilots and crew cards that are firmly EU only. Hey, Ever play Soontir Fel or Turr Phenir as an interceptor? If you wanna go canon purist you can't use them. Corran Horn? Nope. Even Dash - his ship was in ESB sure but He isn't canon.

 

Also, honourable mention to the Raider Corvette - which was made for this game.

 

 

Technical you should mention the Interdictor Cruiser as well, which was canonized in Rebels, even when it is to big for X-Wing. The gunboat is something that for sure makes sense within the imperial navy as well. Not in large numbers, because that would be against the general fleet doctrine, but as a tool for special occasions. You do not want to move each time out a carrier for every mission, even when it is just a freighter like the Gozanti, I would be surprised if we will not see sooner or later the gunboat in canon.  

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Technical you should mention the Interdictor Cruiser as well, which was canonized in Rebels, even when it is to big for X-Wing. The gunboat is something that for sure makes sense within the imperial navy as well. Not in large numbers, because that would be against the general fleet doctrine, but as a tool for special occasions. You do not want to move each time out a carrier for every mission, even when it is just a freighter like the Gozanti, I would be surprised if we will not see sooner or later the gunboat in canon.  

 

Yep.  It bears repeating, but the Gunboat's lore is that it was developed during the Galactic Civil War (specifically after Incom's defection but before Yavin) specifically to increase Imperial presence and patrols in the face of the rising Rebel threat.

 

The vast bulk of the Imperial navy was cheap, disposable and restricted to local garrisons (orbital or deep space platforms) or carriers (Star Destroyers, Nebulon B Frigates etc).  Where there was no local garrison or carrier presence, there was effectively no Imperial presence.  The Empire had a lot of carriers, but nowhere near enough to protect every installation, every shipyard, every supply depot and every convoy at once.  Which is why the Rebels had such early success with hit-and-fade tactics; they picked targets of opportunity, and the Empire was unable to respond in time to do anything other than pick up the pieces.

 

Which is where Cygnus Spaceworks stepped in.  The shielded, multi role and hyperspace capable Gunboats were able to operate independently of a carrier or other base of operations, and could be deployed in small groups as patrol craft, as convoy escorts and cover a much wider area of operations than a Star Destroyer and it's TIE complement could on it's own.

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Technical you should mention the Interdictor Cruiser as well, which was canonized in Rebels, even when it is to big for X-Wing. The gunboat is something that for sure makes sense within the imperial navy as well. Not in large numbers, because that would be against the general fleet doctrine, but as a tool for special occasions. You do not want to move each time out a carrier for every mission, even when it is just a freighter like the Gozanti, I would be surprised if we will not see sooner or later the gunboat in canon.

 

Yep.  It bears repeating, but the Gunboat's lore is that it was developed during the Galactic Civil War (specifically after Incom's defection but before Yavin) specifically to increase Imperial presence and patrols in the face of the rising Rebel threat.

 

The vast bulk of the Imperial navy was cheap, disposable and restricted to local garrisons (orbital or deep space platforms) or carriers (Star Destroyers, Nebulon B Frigates etc).  Where there was no local garrison or carrier presence, there was effectively no Imperial presence.  The Empire had a lot of carriers, but nowhere near enough to protect every installation, every shipyard, every supply depot and every convoy at once.  Which is why the Rebels had such early success with hit-and-fade tactics; they picked targets of opportunity, and the Empire was unable to respond in time to do anything other than pick up the pieces.

 

Which is where Cygnus Spaceworks stepped in.  The shielded, multi role and hyperspace capable Gunboats were able to operate independently of a carrier or other base of operations, and could be deployed in small groups as patrol craft, as convoy escorts and cover a much wider area of operations than a Star Destroyer and it's TIE complement could on it's own.

According to Rebels that role is now filled by ISB Agents and Inquisitors in TAPs though.

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Basically Cygnus and Seinar were working on the same problem, filling the role of long range assault fighters. The TIE Advanced program was Seinar's route, with the Avenger and Defende as the final products and answers to the Gunboat. Cygnus technically had more success since their fighter was put into production at a time when the V1 and X1 were just prototypes or very limited production models, as well as having Gunboats as part of the standard complement on ISDs (5 on some models). The Avenger and Defender suffered from limited production when their respective factories were destroyed in the treachery of Zaarin.

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Technical you should mention the Interdictor Cruiser as well, which was canonized in Rebels, even when it is to big for X-Wing. The gunboat is something that for sure makes sense within the imperial navy as well. Not in large numbers, because that would be against the general fleet doctrine, but as a tool for special occasions. You do not want to move each time out a carrier for every mission, even when it is just a freighter like the Gozanti, I would be surprised if we will not see sooner or later the gunboat in canon.

 

Yep.  It bears repeating, but the Gunboat's lore is that it was developed during the Galactic Civil War (specifically after Incom's defection but before Yavin) specifically to increase Imperial presence and patrols in the face of the rising Rebel threat.

 

The vast bulk of the Imperial navy was cheap, disposable and restricted to local garrisons (orbital or deep space platforms) or carriers (Star Destroyers, Nebulon B Frigates etc).  Where there was no local garrison or carrier presence, there was effectively no Imperial presence.  The Empire had a lot of carriers, but nowhere near enough to protect every installation, every shipyard, every supply depot and every convoy at once.  Which is why the Rebels had such early success with hit-and-fade tactics; they picked targets of opportunity, and the Empire was unable to respond in time to do anything other than pick up the pieces.

 

Which is where Cygnus Spaceworks stepped in.  The shielded, multi role and hyperspace capable Gunboats were able to operate independently of a carrier or other base of operations, and could be deployed in small groups as patrol craft, as convoy escorts and cover a much wider area of operations than a Star Destroyer and it's TIE complement could on it's own.

According to Rebels that role is now filled by ISB Agents and Inquisitors in TAPs though.

Not really, the The Advanced Prototype is clearly not for patrols. It's still a small contained cockpit and not made for extended independent operations. It more like a clear path on the progression path from the TIE Advanced x1 to the final TIE/AD Avenger. A space superiority fighter to increase power projection abilities of imperial fighter carriers. Something which works together with the gunboat design very well. And unlike the Gunboat a broad deployment of those kind of ships would indicate a change of imperial fleet doctrine and adaption to Alliance Tactics.

 

Technical you should mention the Interdictor Cruiser as well, which was canonized in Rebels, even when it is to big for X-Wing. The gunboat is something that for sure makes sense within the imperial navy as well. Not in large numbers, because that would be against the general fleet doctrine, but as a tool for special occasions. You do not want to move each time out a carrier for every mission, even when it is just a freighter like the Gozanti, I would be surprised if we will not see sooner or later the gunboat in canon.

 

Yep.  It bears repeating, but the Gunboat's lore is that it was developed during the Galactic Civil War (specifically after Incom's defection but before Yavin) specifically to increase Imperial presence and patrols in the face of the rising Rebel threat.

 

The vast bulk of the Imperial navy was cheap, disposable and restricted to local garrisons (orbital or deep space platforms) or carriers (Star Destroyers, Nebulon B Frigates etc).  Where there was no local garrison or carrier presence, there was effectively no Imperial presence.  The Empire had a lot of carriers, but nowhere near enough to protect every installation, every shipyard, every supply depot and every convoy at once.  Which is why the Rebels had such early success with hit-and-fade tactics; they picked targets of opportunity, and the Empire was unable to respond in time to do anything other than pick up the pieces.

 

Which is where Cygnus Spaceworks stepped in.  The shielded, multi role and hyperspace capable Gunboats were able to operate independently of a carrier or other base of operations, and could be deployed in small groups as patrol craft, as convoy escorts and cover a much wider area of operations than a Star Destroyer and it's TIE complement could on it's own.

 

Part of this is now covered by the Gozanti freighter-carrier, while frigates like Nebulons and small 'cruisers' like Imperial light cruiser which is basically just an updated Arquitens-class. Leaves still plenty of room for the gunboat, because power projection maters, though it seems like that Gozanti is the Disney favorite right now for that role.

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Basically Cygnus and Seinar were working on the same problem, filling the role of long range assault fighters. The TIE Advanced program was Seinar's route, with the Avenger and Defende as the final products and answers to the Gunboat. Cygnus technically had more success since their fighter was put into production at a time when the V1 and X1 were just prototypes or very limited production models, as well as having Gunboats as part of the standard complement on ISDs (5 on some models). The Avenger and Defender suffered from limited production when their respective factories were destroyed in the treachery of Zaarin.

...I don't think that is the case any longer. While it doesn't rule out future old EU releases Disney hasn't had any non TIE Imperial Star fighters in the new Canon and the role that the Gunboats were made for in the old lore is now specifically being filled by other ships.

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Basically Cygnus and Seinar were working on the same problem, filling the role of long range assault fighters. The TIE Advanced program was Seinar's route, with the Avenger and Defende as the final products and answers to the Gunboat. Cygnus technically had more success since their fighter was put into production at a time when the V1 and X1 were just prototypes or very limited production models, as well as having Gunboats as part of the standard complement on ISDs (5 on some models). The Avenger and Defender suffered from limited production when their respective factories were destroyed in the treachery of Zaarin.

...I don't think that is the case any longer. While it doesn't rule out future old EU releases Disney hasn't had any non TIE Imperial Star fighters in the new Canon and the role that the Gunboats were made for in the old lore is now specifically being filled by other ships.

As pointed out above, that is not really the case. The TIE-Advanced Series works very well together with the Gunboat and the Gozanti covers just parts of the tasks of the gunboat. A long-range multi-purpose fighter is something the empire would really NEED to fight the rebels effectively. Disney might ignore this happily, so I will not rule out that Disney never will include the Gunboat, but it would make sense. And btw, ironically I think the gunboat design is so clearly a smaller, combat ready lambda that it fits very well within the iconic design of imperial ships.

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You guys are very quick to assume that Disney's only ever gonna use TIEs.

They have actively avoided non TIE fighters in their projects even those that draw from more obscure EU sources and directly stated in interviews that they are going to adhere to the Imperial aesthetic shown in the movies. So yeah it's not without cause.

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You guys are very quick to assume that Disney's only ever gonna use TIEs.

They have actively avoided non TIE fighters in their projects even those that draw from more obscure EU sources and directly stated in interviews that they are going to adhere to the Imperial aesthetic shown in the movies. So yeah it's not without cause.

And once they establish that, there's plenty of reason to believe that there could be derivatives and different vessels altogether.

There will be variety.

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