Fleet Officer

[kraedin 741]

So, are you at Range 1-2 of yourself? Have we ever gotten an answer on that?

Update: actually, the card says "within Range 1-2", which is a different question.

Edited June 14, 2014 by kraedin

[Bilisknir 443]

You are not at Range 1-2 of yourself.

[dvorm 1,058]

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/news/wave5/fleet-officer.png

So, are you at Range 1-2 of yourself? Have we ever gotten an answer on that?

No, we don't have an answer.

 

Just noticed: Fleet Officer says "2 friendly ships". Not "2 different friendly ships". Can the officer effect one ship twice?

 

[DraconPyrothayan 6,107]

 

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/news/wave5/fleet-officer.png

So, are you at Range 1-2 of yourself? Have we ever gotten an answer on that?

No, we don't have an answer.

 

Just noticed: Fleet Officer says "2 friendly ships". Not "2 different friendly ships". Can the officer effect one ship twice?

 

 

No. 

Even if you could select the same ship twice, you would assign it 1 focus token.

[Krynn007 2,445]

Says "up to"so probably can't target same ship twice

[Krynn007 2,445]

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/news/wave5/fleet-officer.png

So, are you at Range 1-2 of yourself? Have we ever gotten an answer on that?

No, we don't have an answer.

Just noticed: Fleet Officer says "2 friendly ships". Not "2 different friendly ships". Can the officer effect one ship twice?

No.

Even if you could select the same ship twice, you would assign it 1 focus token.

Well technically your not using an action. Having a token assigned is different, so you can assign a ship more than one token, but I'm this case it says up to 2 ships, so in this case you can either assign one or two ships a focus token, but not one ship two tokens

And no, you cannot target yourself in this case

Edited June 13, 2014 by Krynn007

[VanorDM 11,599]

You are not at Range 1-2 of yourself.

Actually we don't know that. FFG has yet to rule one way or another if a ship is in range of itself.

[Krynn007 2,445]

You are not at Range 1-2 of yourself.

Actually we don't know that. FFG has yet to rule one way or another if a ship is in range of itself.

I really don't think we will get a faq unless this really became an issue.

I don't really understand why the confusion of if you can target yourself.

Your measuring the distance from the point of origin. The point of origin would technically be considered 0. Is the best way I can put it.

[Parravon 5,217]

I think it's been universally accepted that choosing a 'friendly' ship at whatever range is different from choosing 'your' ship, and although it hasn't actually been defined in writing, it's common sense.

Edited June 14, 2014 by Parravon

[Cptnhalfbeard 680]

it's common sense.

 

Sadly, there is not always enough of this to go around :-\

[SmartCookie 1,253]

Can Jan Ors (crew) target the ship she is on with her ability?

[Sekac 3,506]

Can Jan Ors (crew) target the ship she is on with her ability?

That is a subject for a separate thread but the answers are similar.

Either: [eyeroll] No.

Or: But maaaaybe...let's wait for a FAQ.

[Red Castle 3,875]

Just an interesting observation regarding this question:

 

Jan Ors, the ship, ability does specify 'another friendly ship'

 

Lando's ability also specify 'One other friendly ship'

 

Kyle, the pilot, specify 'another friendly ship'

 

Roark says ' 1other friendly ship'

 

Cracken 'choose another friendly ship'

 

Dutch says 'choose another friendly ship'

 

Garven 'any other friendly ship'

 

As far as precedence is concerned, they always specify with 'other' or 'another'.

 

...

 

Fleet Officer says 'up to 2 friendly ship'

 

Jan Ors, the crew, says 'A friendly ship'

 

Both doesn't include the word 'other' or 'another'.

 

...

 

So those 2 cards do have a difference in wording not seen before that could really mean that you can effectively target yourself to benefit.

[Parravon 5,217]

 

it's common sense.

 

Sadly, there is not always enough of this to go around :-\

 

Are you saying that it's not all that "common"? 

[Parravon 5,217]

Just an interesting observation regarding this question:

 

Jan Ors, the ship, ability does specify 'another friendly ship'

 

Lando's ability also specify 'One other friendly ship'

 

Kyle, the pilot, specify 'another friendly ship'

 

Roark says ' 1other friendly ship'

 

Cracken 'choose another friendly ship'

 

Dutch says 'choose another friendly ship'

 

Garven 'any other friendly ship'

 

As far as precedence is concerned, they always specify with 'other' or 'another'.

 

...

 

Fleet Officer says 'up to 2 friendly ship'

 

Jan Ors, the crew, says 'A friendly ship'

 

Both doesn't include the word 'other' or 'another'.

 

...

 

So those 2 cards do have a difference in wording not seen before that could really mean that you can effectively target yourself to benefit.

I think it comes down to when a range is indicated, one would generally assume it's not referring to "your" ship. 

[Red Castle 3,875]

 

I think it comes down to when a range is indicated, one would generally assume it's not referring to "your" ship. 

 

 

Well, all the ship with the word 'other' or 'another' has range so technically, they could have write the abilities without those words if the range was the indication that it doesn't include yourself. All I'm saying is that those two new abilities are the only one that don't bother with the words 'other' and 'another', they always did, so why change now? so I do believe it could be interpreted both ways. And I would be fine with either way.

Edited June 15, 2014 by Red Castle

[VanorDM 11,599]

it's common sense.

It's a common assumption, but that's not the same thing at all.

When it says pick another ship at range X then yes clearly that's not the active ship. But if if says friendly ship at range X, then no, it's not a given that means you can't pick your own ship. I know many other games this isn't the assumption.

[kraedin 741]

The rules are pretty clear that all ships on your side are "friendly".

All components belonging to a player’s own faction are considered friendly, and all components belonging to his opponent’s faction are considered enemy.

[SithSinner 4]

I would have to agree with Red Castle that is can be the ship with the ability. I would also make the argument that no range "0" really exists, range 1 is the closest to ships can be... unless I missed a range "0" in the rules some how.

[Clayjar 60]

Any card that has an ability affects the ship the crew member is on always say "your ship" or "you". Like for recon specialist, it says to "assign 1 additional focus token to YOUR ship."

 

This Fleet Officer card does not say that. It says to assign to up to to friendly ships within 1-2 range. So it means it assigns to up to 2 ships that the Fleet officer is not on, but are close to her ship.

[Parravon 5,217]

Any card that has an ability affects the ship the crew member is on always say "your ship" or "you". Like for recon specialist, it says to "assign 1 additional focus token to YOUR ship."

 

This Fleet Officer card does not say that. It says to assign to up to to friendly ships within 1-2 range. So it means it assigns to up to 2 ships that the Fleet officer is not on, but are close to her ship.

I agree. I think the only clarification required to sort these out, (and similar cards), is: Is "friendly" referring to another ship?

I think yes, because "you" and "yours" are clearly defined. 

Edited June 16, 2014 by Parravon

[VanorDM 11,599]

This Fleet Officer card does not say that.

If it did, then you couldn't use Fleet Officer on any ship other then the one it's assigned to.

So that's hardly proof that it can't effect it's own ship. It only means it can at least effect other friendly ships.

Again there's no rule or FAQ that says anything about a a ship not being in range X of itself. But there has so far been no need to rule one way or the other because Squad Leader was actually changed the last time this issue came up, so it no longer mattered.

I'm not saying that it can, but I am saying you shouldn't simply assume it can't either, based upon the range 1 thing.

[VanorDM 11,599]

is: Is "friendly" referring to another ship?

Friendly is clearly defined as any ship on your side in the core rules.

The issue here is that any time an ability is used on another ship, it says other or another. Any time an ability is used on the active ship, it says your or you.

There's a total of 2 cards that don't use those terms. Swarm Tactics and Fleet Officer. There was a rather lengthy debate about ST, the results of which seemed to be FFG changing the wording to 'May' which avoided the whole issue.

Now we have Fleet Officer which again doesn't specify another or yours so it could very well effect the ship it's on, or not depending on if a ship is within range X of itself or not. Something, that again we have no ruling on, up to now, no real need to have a ruling on.

[Red Castle 3,875]

To be clear if it did include your ship would have been to write: you or any other friendly ship in range X

To be clear if it did not include your ship would have been to write: another friendly ship in range X

 

They did neither, so to me, it can effectively go both ways, just like Jan Crew ability. At least, both the rebel (Jan crew) and the Empire (Fleet Officer) will benefit from this ruling, so no side can cry about being screwed... or they both will, depending on the actual ruling. The precedence will be set once we get the FAQ for either of those upgrades, which will come once one or the other is official. Until then, just agree with your opponent before the game.

[Parravon 5,217]

I missed the Swarm Tactics debate, but I assume that prior to the card being changed, some were arguing that they could target themselves to avoid the chain effect lowering pilot skills to others around them. 

 

I think the exclusion of the word "another" is somewhat irrelevant, as you wouldn't refer to yourself as a friend to you. IMHO, in this context, I think the words "friendly" and "another" are synonymous. And before anyone dives into the "but that could mean enemy ships too" argument, there are no cards that allow you to pass a good token (focus, evade, TL) to an enemy, only stress. That's not what I meant at all.