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Another Day, Another Defender Mauling

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I've been playing around with all 4 Defenders for the past week, and I have to say that they are absolute beasts on the table.  Equipped with Engine Upgrade and an HLC they murder pretty much everybody.  They are extraordinarily expensive, to be sure, but any less and they would be terribly OP.

 

The Defender is easily the best Cannon ship in the game at the moment.  There isn't a turn where you aren't hitting somebody with your HLC/Ion, except for the 1 in 4 times when you are point blank and about to put 4 dice primaries into their face.  Other ships struggle to keep ships in front of them and/or at range, the Defender does not.

 

The dial is amazing.  No really, it is.  Except for the 1 straight, it has EVERY other maneuver.  The white K-Turn is very, very useful, allowing you to substitute a 180 plus boost for short turns, when the 3 turn is too large.  The combination of K-Turn plus boost/barrel roll or K-Turn plus focus and hit with HLC against a stressed opponent is murderous.  The full suite of high-speed maneuvers plus boost/barrel-roll makes you very unpredictable, and lets you cover tons of ground.  The much maligned green selection is actually very useful, because it is hard to block everything from a 2 to a 5 straight, whereas it is relatively easy to put a single ship in a spot that would block 1, 2 straight and at least one of the 1 banks.

 

Too many doubters here, basing their opinion on the way past ships are played.  If you treat your Defender like an Interceptor or TIE, you will be disappointed.  But if you get a little practice with them and start maneuvering them like Defenders, you will be as pleased as I am.

What lists have you run with the Defender?

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Good to read this. Just about any ship is good in this game, but some get played stupidly and are then branded as a lemon.

:rolleyes:

Except the Advanced. Poor guy.

Even the Advanced has a place, it's just smaller than most.

 

 

Yes, on the shelf or in its foam.  :D

 

I'm greatly pleased that the Defender isn't as bad as initially feared! 41 points on a single ship - that's Falcon territory!

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I still wish boost was included standard.  I just can't see using it without it, but that is 4 points more on top of an already crazy expensive ship.

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Not to mention the model is the most menacing thing in the game. I think the fear factor it strikes is worth using. Just so cool looking.

 

Yeah, from the the Imdar pics I have seen it's pretty sweet, better than the previews even.

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I did won a defender at Imdaar and had the chance to play with it, I lost only one game with it, my first one since the ship was totally new and I did a huge mistake . Other 2 games that I have played with it was against 2 solid Rebel list, one being Han shoot first and 2x B.

My list against Han was this one (which I think is the most reliable build) :

- Delta + HLC

- Howl + ST

- Mauler + ST

- Academy x 2

100 pts

I Split my force in 2 having Mauler and the Delta together and the other 3 Ties Together.. Mauler and Delta shoots at 7 PS. The Huge difference here, is that at the end, when I had my 1 hull Academy left with my unscathed Defender, is that at range 3 the Falcon is 3 dice against my 4 evade, BUT when I shoot it's 4 dice against 1 evade! :-P

The Falcon when down in 3 turn and I had lost 1 shield... The defender is truly a Falcon killer.

I have another build who totally raped 3 Elite Rebel ships last night, more risky but really fun to play! :

- Rexler + Pred + HLC + Shield

- Boba + Nav + Ion cannon + PtL

99 pts

Boba with the navigator is So much better than any other named Firespray. The ability to not get blocked when you should be, is what helped me kill Wedge when otherwise with Scarlett I would have been blocked with no Action. At the same time Rexler Kturn and thanks To Predator I rerolled instead of using my focus , 3 hits that were now all crits, cripled the Rebel ship and it was game 2 turns after...

The ability to shoot at 4 dice at range 3 and that 1 time out of 2, you are not getting shot at, but when you get shot you have 4 evade dice. That coupled with 4 shields and 3 hull, means that if you pilot well, your Defender will most of the time, be the one still flying when all the other ships will be out!

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Sorry, all four as in Delta, Onyx, Vessery, and Rexler.  :-)

 

I do have 2, but Defenders are so expensive there is really no practical way to play both at the same time.

Vader+EU+Outmaneuver

2 Onyx

 

3 Ships 17 Hull with 3 agility probably the equivalent of 6 Ties in survivability (due to 8 being shields to reduce crits to fudge that last HP)

 

Of course there are probably plenty of better uses for 36pts than Vader, I just think you give the "best" Imperial pilot( in the EU) and flank him with the "Best" ships in the EU and will be a fun build

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My next build will be:

- Vessery + HLC + Outmaneuver + Shield

- Jonus + Determination + Flechette +

- Scimitar + Flechette + Cluster + Concussion

100 pts.

That one screams Alpha Strike and should get an opposing ship killed on first contact. Having with Vessery and Jonus, 2 rerolls on top of the TL that he will be getting (thanks to Jonus and the Scimitar TL) + his focus... That sounds pretty much like an auto 4 hits. Now the Flechette for stressing the opposing ship, preparing it for that dreaded white Kturn on the next turn! :-D

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Sorry, all four as in Delta, Onyx, Vessery, and Rexler.  :-)

 

I do have 2, but Defenders are so expensive there is really no practical way to play both at the same time.

Vader+EU+Outmaneuver

2 Onyx

 

3 Ships 17 Hull with 3 agility probably the equivalent of 6 Ties in survivability (due to 8 being shields to reduce crits to fudge that last HP)

 

Of course there are probably plenty of better uses for 36pts than Vader, I just think you give the "best" Imperial pilot( in the EU) and flank him with the "Best" ships in the EU and will be a fun build

Try daredevil instead of Outmaneuver on Vader, pretty nasty! He can turn on a dime! ;-)

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I'm 0-2 with mine but like it.  Maybe I just haven't figured out how to fly that well with it.

I'm 3-0 in a list I am running with Rexlar, the trick is finding a ships to fit around them.  Also accepting the fact that its a costly ship, and there is no amazing way to "keep it cheap" so you might as well embrace it(I view the Phantoms and E-wings the same way).  That was my philosophy at the Imdaar Alpha top table the time I made it there, I had 79pts combined tied up in Whisper with the bells and Rexlar with predator and it seemed to work fairly well until i made a mistake and had a very unlucky round of rolling. 

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Sorry, all four as in Delta, Onyx, Vessery, and Rexler.  :-)

 

I do have 2, but Defenders are so expensive there is really no practical way to play both at the same time.

Vader+EU+Outmaneuver

2 Onyx

 

3 Ships 17 Hull with 3 agility probably the equivalent of 6 Ties in survivability (due to 8 being shields to reduce crits to fudge that last HP)

 

Of course there are probably plenty of better uses for 36pts than Vader, I just think you give the "best" Imperial pilot( in the EU) and flank him with the "Best" ships in the EU and will be a fun build

Try daredevil instead of Outmaneuver on Vader, pretty nasty! He can turn on a dime! ;-)

 

A definite possibility but I just thought Outmaneuver would help alleviate the weaker offensive abilities of the Advanced compared to the Defenders (and Vader with EU is probably the easiest ship to take advantage of it)

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Good to read this. Just about any ship is good in this game, but some get played stupidly and are then branded as a lemon.

:rolleyes:

Except the Advanced. Poor guy.

Even the Advanced has a place, it's just smaller than most.

 

Yeah. "Underneath the rest of my pilot cards".

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I wonder how a list stacked with defenders would fare vs bwing heavy list.

Well, how many of each? Two named pilots v. two named pilots, or the low PS ones or what? what armaments? Because if even low skill Defenders get ion cannons, the B-wings are screwed.

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I wonder how a list stacked with defenders would fare vs bwing heavy list.

Well, how many of each? Two named pilots v. two named pilots, or the low PS ones or what? what armaments? Because if even low skill Defenders get ion cannons, the B-wings are screwed.

 

 

I assume he meant a 100 point list made entirely from those two ships. Also, the B-Wings could pack Ions as well. I think it'd favor the B-Wings slightly, as they can fit 4 blues with ion cannons, and the imps can only bring 3 defenders with ion cannons. It'd be a fun grudge match though!

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I wonder how a list stacked with defenders would fare vs bwing heavy list.

Well, how many of each? Two named pilots v. two named pilots, or the low PS ones or what? what armaments? Because if even low skill Defenders get ion cannons, the B-wings are screwed.

 

 

I assume he meant a 100 point list made entirely from those two ships. Also, the B-Wings could pack Ions as well. I think it'd favor the B-Wings slightly, as they can fit 4 blues with ion cannons, and the imps can only bring 3 defenders with ion cannons. It'd be a fun grudge match though!

 

Yes but i was thinking that the Defender has a much better chance to hit the B-Wing with its ion cannon than the other way around. All they have to do is get at least two hits in any way possible. The B-wings could get three, and conceivably have them all dodged. And that would have a drastic effect. For instance, if it was both named pilots vs. each other and decked to the nines, if both B-wings happen to get ioned, they might be marched right off the board without even firing a shot.

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Vader is still good (looking forward to using him with Outmaneuver), thus the Advanced has a place.

Squad Leader is also a good choice, seeing as if he gives one of his actiona to a Defender, he still has one left over.

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I wonder how a list stacked with defenders would fare vs bwing heavy list.

Well, how many of each? Two named pilots v. two named pilots, or the low PS ones or what? what armaments? Because if even low skill Defenders get ion cannons, the B-wings are screwed.

 

 

I assume he meant a 100 point list made entirely from those two ships. Also, the B-Wings could pack Ions as well. I think it'd favor the B-Wings slightly, as they can fit 4 blues with ion cannons, and the imps can only bring 3 defenders with ion cannons. It'd be a fun grudge match though!

 

Yes but i was thinking that the Defender has a much better chance to hit the B-Wing with its ion cannon than the other way around. All they have to do is get at least two hits in any way possible. The B-wings could get three, and conceivably have them all dodged. And that would have a drastic effect. For instance, if it was both named pilots vs. each other and decked to the nines, if both B-wings happen to get ioned, they might be marched right off the board without even firing a shot.

 

 

Ah, yeh, thats fair. I didn't really ponder that. That may even make the 3v4 favor the Defenders... I think I'll conceed this round to you. At least until I find someone to try this out with. ;)

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I wonder how a list stacked with defenders would fare vs bwing heavy list.

Well, how many of each? Two named pilots v. two named pilots, or the low PS ones or what? what armaments? Because if even low skill Defenders get ion cannons, the B-wings are screwed.

 

 

I assume he meant a 100 point list made entirely from those two ships. Also, the B-Wings could pack Ions as well. I think it'd favor the B-Wings slightly, as they can fit 4 blues with ion cannons, and the imps can only bring 3 defenders with ion cannons. It'd be a fun grudge match though!

 

 

I think I'd prefer 3 decked out Daggers in that case, to make'em turn on a dime. 

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What lists have you run with the Defender?

 

 

My favorite Defender-centric lists are these 3 (I really enjoy using Vessery).

 

Imdaar list:

 

Echo (Veteran Instincts, Weapons Engineer, Fire Control System, Advanced Cloaking Device)

Vessery (Opportunist, Heavy Laser Cannon, Engine Upgrade, Assault Missile)

 

Two Ship Tango:

 

Jendon (HLC, FCS, Weapons Engineer, St 321)

Vessery (Opportunist, HLC, Engine Upgrade, Assault Missile)

 

Flippers

 

Delta (Engine Upgrade, HLC) x 2

Backstabber (Targeting Computer)

 

Plus an assortment of mini-swarms, Firesprays, and Interceptors.  All of the Defenders play well, I have just developed a particular attachment to combining Vessery with a Weapons Engineer.  The ship with the Engineer uses one TL on their own target, and the second one goes on the ship Vessery is about to hit.  Good times.  

 

The most lopsided game I have had so far was Vessery+Jendon vs a 3 Dagger (HLC, FCS) list.  Jendon firing 4 dice TL/Focus, then Vessery firing 4 or 5 dice TL/Focus.  It took exactly 3 turns of shooting to bring all 3 down.  When they came into range, one of the B-Wings used its Barrel Roll to get out from behind a rock for next turns maneuvering.  Jendon fired at him with TL and focus, and hung 4 damage on.  Then Vessery used the Assault Missile with Opportunist (he had been handed his TL by Jendon several turns ago), and because of the mechanics of Vessery's ability, those 5 dice had TL and focus as well.  Boom, dead B-Wing and the other 2 took 1.  The next 2 turns were Jendon and Vessery firing with 4 dice either TL or TL+focus at the two B-Wings, and they went away in short order.  Good times.

 

I don't want to overstate the Defenders abilities, it is certainly not unbeatable especially if you are still getting used to its unusual dial.  But yes, I would agree that it is the best fighter in the game, and has a price tag to match it.  The ship works, without breaking the game, which makes me happy.

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I don't want to overstate the Defenders abilities, it is certainly not unbeatable especially if you are still getting used to its unusual dial.  But yes, I would agree that it is the best fighter in the game, and has a price tag to match it.  The ship works, without breaking the game, which makes me happy.

 

This is coincides with my Opinion of the Phantom, excellent ships both, but they will only do well if the person using them knows how to use them.  Its the surgeon using the Scalpel that matters more than the scalpel.

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I have a completely non-strategy related question - I'm trying to plan out some custom foam and am wondering about the physical dimensions of the Defender. Could you measure the width/height, and depth? Thanks. I assume it's 270 scale but wasn't exactly sure which model they actually went with, etc.

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I have a completely non-strategy related question - I'm trying to plan out some custom foam and am wondering about the physical dimensions of the Defender. Could you measure the width/height, and depth? Thanks. I assume it's 270 scale but wasn't exactly sure which model they actually went with, etc.

The Defender is about the same length as an Interceptor and about the Height of two of them stacked on eachother, if I remember correctly.

The Phantom is kinda tiny.

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