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E-wing/Z-95 Mods and Paints

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Please post your repaints and mods to the E-wings and Z's won out in AIA.

 

Personally, I'm going to do some slicing on my E. That dorsal laser cannon is an engineering disaster and makes ZERO cents. Now, a ventrally located cannon is sensible and pleasing to the eye! As an experimental fighter that was plagued by technical issues...I can totally see why. Reworking is needed.

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...Personally, I'm going to do some slicing on my E. That dorsal laser cannon is an engineering disaster and makes ZERO cents.

*cough**cough* Y-Wing Ion Cannons... There is a reason and a methods to that madness.

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I will most likely be modifying my E-Wings to having their dorsal cannons chin or belly mounted. I'll probably do an exposed astromech or seal it off all together. And I agree, having it right above the cockpit makes no sense, from opening the cockpit, to a munitions failure or even just the flash from firing.

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Yeah having that thing firing right in your face plus blocking your view makes you really question the original design.

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I will most likely be modifying my E-Wings to having their dorsal cannons chin or belly mounted. I'll probably do an exposed astromech or seal it off all together. And I agree, having it right above the cockpit makes no sense, from opening the cockpit, to a munitions failure or even just the flash from firing.

The weapons are not guns, there is no muzzle flash.

The top gun also slides forward so the pilot can get in/out.

A munitions failure would not cause an explosion as there is no ammo.

Main point however is that this is star wars, any logic based design issues are a mute point as BS technobabble can be made up to get around said issue

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That's true...your concerned about muzzle flash in a world where:

 

  • Sound exists in space.
  • Starships can move through space like fighters in an atmosphere.
  • Fires can exist in space.
  • A weapon exists that can destroy an entire planet.
  • Shields that can deflect laser weapons.
  • Laser weapons.
  • Hyperspace.
  • THE FREAKING FORCE!

All this and you moan that the ships cannon is illogically placed. I present the motion that an exhaust port not properly protected on a superweapon is illogical.

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Thank you Mr. Spelling Bee, corrected. Now maybe we can address my argument rather than implying that my argument fails and is discredited because of my spelling?

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Thank you Mr. Spelling Bee, corrected. Now maybe we can address my argument rather than implying that my argument fails and is discredited because of my spelling?

No implications or saying you're wrong was intended. Only making a joke (I do it every time I notice this particular spelling error). Don't get all riled up, no ill will intended. I actually completely agree with what you said.

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Fair enough, I retract my statement. Just been on the end of people who are malicious in that way many times.

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Fair enough, I retract my statement. Just been on the end of people who are malicious in that way many times.

I understand. :)

However, replacing the Cannon on the top with an under slung Gatling gun would be pretty slick as well.

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Please post your repaints and mods to the E-wings and Z's won out in AIA.

 

Personally, I'm going to do some slicing on my E. That dorsal laser cannon is an engineering disaster and makes ZERO cents. Now, a ventrally located cannon is sensible and pleasing to the eye! As an experimental fighter that was plagued by technical issues...I can totally see why. Reworking is needed.

 

Well, I'm not sure how making money is related to the muzzle flash, but okay.

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Isn't it still the same shape though? Still recognisable.

I'd be fine with it if I were playing against you, but the official tournament rules only allow repaints. No modding.

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That's true...your concerned about muzzle flash in a world where:

 

  • Sound exists in space.
  • Starships can move through space like fighters in an atmosphere.
  • Fires can exist in space.
  • A weapon exists that can destroy an entire planet.
  • Shields that can deflect laser weapons.
  • Laser weapons.
  • Hyperspace.
  • THE FREAKING FORCE!
All this and you moan that the ships cannon is illogically placed. I present the motion that an exhaust port not properly protected on a superweapon is illogical.

Technically speaking, both fires and sound CAN exist in space. The vacuum of space just doesn't have the oxygen/whatever other flammable material to sustain a fire, nor the concentration of molecules to conduct sound. But that's really neither here nor there.

I don't think we should be stiffling the creativity of the OP by convincing him that he doesn't logically HAVE to move the gun. I, for one, hate the placement of that weapon for purely aesthetic reasons and welcome pictures of mods of any kind. He's got my vote.

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I still don't get why people think the E-wing's cannon is an issue. It's perfectly fine, IMO. In fact, it's probably the single best example of cannon placement seen in the EU, because it's centrally located.

 

The F/A-18's main gun is set right in front of the cockpit as well along the centerline, and is the only fighter to have a cannon located here. The reason for this is that the engineers who designed it realized that the most common complaint regarding machine guns and cannons in attack and air superiority fighters was that the gun was off-center and hard to aim because of that.

 

The E-wing's main cannon has similar placement, along with wide-spaced cannons on the wings which make it an ideal long-range strafing fighter.

 

The argument against muzzle flash is also rather dumb, considering the muzzle flash on starfighters is nonexistent in the original trilogy. None of the fighters exhibited it in any movie (even the prequels, where it would have been more likely to see). In addition, the Y-wing and TIE Fighter have guns which are located much closer to the pilot; if any fighter is going to be blinding its pilots with muzzle flash, it would be those two. Finally, the aforementioned F/A-18 has muzzle flash as well, but it never blinds its pilots.

 

The only possible issue with the main gun might be that it blocks a ~5* segment of the sky, but that's really a non-issue considering starfighter guns are aimed using sensors and not line-of-sight (as seen in A New Hope). Spotting is done from forward and rear-facing scopes that are a part of the pilot's HUD, so it's not like the cannon prevents finding an enemy ship (how else do you explain how TIE Fighter pilot's can have any amount of situational awareness with their windscreens only accounting for about a 80* arc in front of them?).

 

TL;DR The E-wing's cannon is actually one of the best designs on any starfighter because of its central placement.

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For some reason, I always thought the E-Wing's third cannon was underneath the ship. Which makes a lot more sense/looks better, IMO. But it's not going to stop me from playing with them.

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I guess since logic is non-existent in SW, then trying to apply logic is pointless and automatically makes me wrong? If that is the case, then I'll simply nullify my first comment and admit my stupidity (to please the technicality diehards) and say that the cannon placement just LOOKS stupid.

And the F-18 argument would still be as effective if the E-Wing cannon was placed below the cockpit.

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No it wouldn't, because there is about a meter and a half of hull below the pilot's LOS, thus the topside cockpit placement makes better sense if the sensors were jammed or knocked out by laser fire.

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No it wouldn't, because there is about a meter and a half of hull below the pilot's LOS, thus the topside cockpit placement makes better sense if the sensors were jammed or knocked out by laser fire.

 

But that's assuming for some reason that the engineers were forced the whole ship to look like it does and the cannon placement was an afterthought. They could've easily designed it with the cannon in the nose. It might've looked a bit different. But then again, I wish it did.

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The spars connecting the body to the wings always made me think that the wings could fold upward for a storage mode on alliance carriers. Hmm.

 

I have no problems with the E-Wing, even with the cannon placed there. It's miles above some of the other questionable GCW era designs, like the TIE Oppressor and the TIE Interdictor. At least we don't have them in the game yet.

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