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Well technically FFG would have been working on the next wave or two before this announcement so wave 5-6 could still pull from the EU potentially especially Shadows of the Empire. 

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SotE is relatively safe, sitting in continuity between ep v and vi. There's nothing in it that disrupts the story arcs of the new films.

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I hope it isn't prequal ships... I really want my Outrider. :P

 

 

Good Lord, Aminar and I actually agree on something.

 

See, there's been a lot of talk of "iconic" Star Wars ships.  The X-Wing is synonymous with the franchise.  The TIE Fighter.  The Millennium Falcon.  Slave-1.  The Star Destroyer.  In fact, pretty much every piece of technology shown in the Original Trilogy has that instantly-recognisable look and feel.

 

Other than the Naboo Fighter, I cannot for the life of me name a single starfighter from the prequel trilogy.  Or large ship for that matter. Or capital ship.  IIRC, over the course of the prequel trilogy, the vehicles slowly started to develop into and look more like the iconic vessels we knew and loved from the Original Trilogy, but can I actually name any of them?

 

....no, not really.

 

But yes, I hope the recent announcements regarding the canon status of the Extended Universe don't hamper FFG's plans.  I'd love to see the Outrider, Assault Gunboats, Skipray Blastboats, Muurian Transports, Pursuer-Class Enforcement Ships... the Wild Karrde...

 

 

I was thinking about this earlier, and I think I know why. 

 

When I was a kid (probably 7-13ish) the Internet was first kicking off in a big way.

 

I used to hang out in AOL Chatrooms with that automated multiple choice quizzer and go back and forth about who manufactured speeder bikes, where they were made, etc, etc. 

 

When the prequels came out, I was in High School (I think) and I was onto greater things, or so I thought. I didn't spend nearly as much time obsessing over the content as I did with the OT movies. 

 

I think this has a lot to do with why I'm not overly familiar with their content. 

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Again, really wish they would install an unlike button.

 

Since I'm already posting: Give me 2 waves of prequel ships before the new movies give us new ships: Droid star-fighters (re-establish the empire's swarm; not that they really need it but at least we'd have variety), fanblades (crazy agility and maneuvers), Kwings (on a 2 wide base!), Arc-170, Jedi Starfighter...

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Prequel ain't happening.

It makes no sense with Disney's current "don't touch the prequels with at ten foot pole" approach, and it doesn't make sense with X-wing.

 

FFG are not WotC. They are not going to introduce two new factions when they're only going to be releasing them for a year and when they'll be very limited in the meta. This is a Rebels Versus Empire game and while they're willing to stretch that (E-wing) if it doesn't fit under either faction, it ain't happenin'.

Not to mention CW ships are outclassed by GCW ships.

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I was fine with them sticking with ships in the OT era (even though I'd love to see prequel ships as well), but then they had to go and include the E-Wing, which every source says came out several years after the OT movies.  So if they can include a ship that occurs AFTER the movies, they have no reason to not include ships that came BEFORE the movies, as they could very well be still in use.  Look no further than the Z-95 as an example.  Even the Y-wing as a old ship that had it's original version start out during the clone wars.

 

I'd be very mad if they ignored prequel ships to do sequel ships, as the prequel ships are closer in time to the OT movies than the sequels would be.

 

Also as others have said the prequels clearly aren't off limits, or they wouldn't have included stuff like seismic charges in the game.

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Seismic charges came with the Slave 1. There's a difference from using an upgrade card that was in the prequels and releasing N-1s.

 

I'd be very mad if they ignored prequel ships to do sequel ships, as the prequel ships are closer in time to the OT movies than the sequels would be.

 

Then mad you will be. It'd be mad for them to make a CIS and Republic faction, so you've only got stuff that fits the Rebels and the Empire. And neither of them use CW stuff, unless you count the stuff that was thought up before the prequels were made.

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I hope it isn't prequal ships... I really want my Outrider. :P

Good Lord, Aminar and I actually agree on something.

See, there's been a lot of talk of "iconic" Star Wars ships. The X-Wing is synonymous with the franchise. The TIE Fighter. The Millennium Falcon. Slave-1. The Star Destroyer. In fact, pretty much every piece of technology shown in the Original Trilogy has that instantly-recognisable look and feel.

Other than the Naboo Fighter, I cannot for the life of me name a single starfighter from the prequel trilogy. Or large ship for that matter. Or capital ship. IIRC, over the course of the prequel trilogy, the vehicles slowly started to develop into and look more like the iconic vessels we knew and loved from the Original Trilogy, but can I actually name any of them?

....no, not really.

But yes, I hope the recent announcements regarding the canon status of the Extended Universe don't hamper FFG's plans. I'd love to see the Outrider, Assault Gunboats, Skipray Blastboats, Muurian Transports, Pursuer-Class Enforcement Ships... the Wild Karrde...

Can't agree with that. The names may not be as well know, but there are some beautiful ships in the prequels - the big Naboo shuttles/yachts, the ARC-170s and I wouldn't mind some plated y-wings.

Oh, I'm sure we'll see Ep 7 ships (assuming FGG still have the licence when it's out), but that's a good 18 months away isn't it? What can they bring out in the meantime that's cannon, other than prequel ships? Hasn't Outrider etc been disowned by Disney/LFL?

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Just a thought, but the recent releases have shown an accelerated schedule for development - a metric crapton of goodies have come out/are coming out this year. Even if you can't find it anywhere. Anyone else get the impression ffg are clearing the decks of all current projects, which will leave 2015 clear for new stuff tied in to the new movie? Makes business sense.

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Prequel ain't happening.

It makes no sense with Disney's current "don't touch the prequels with at ten foot pole" approach, and it doesn't make sense with X-wing.

 

I have never seen anything to suggest this.  Just because disney isn't developing anything for the prequel era, it doesn't mean they "don't touch the prequels with at ten foot pole".  
 
Unless you have a link to an article the rest of us do not...
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Hasn't Outrider etc been disowned by Disney/LFL?

No. All the canon announcement said, effectively, is that if the new movies conflict with the existing EU, the movies win. Anything set in and around the Galactic Civil War era is probably safe, since it's carefully written so as not to conflict with the "cinematic universe", and that includes a lot of territory…

…and as noted upthread, the announcement makes the Outrider undeniable canon, since it has a cameo in Lucas' most recent pointless rejiggering of A New Hope.

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I have never seen anything to suggest this.

That's why they ended the Clone Wars and are putting out Rebels. I'm pretty sure they said as much, that they wanted people to start thinking about the Rebellion Era and beyond.

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Prequel ain't happening.

It makes no sense with Disney's current "don't touch the prequels with at ten foot pole" approach, and it doesn't make sense with X-wing.

 

I have never seen anything to suggest this.  Just because disney isn't developing anything for the prequel era, it doesn't mean they "don't touch the prequels with at ten foot pole".  

 

Unless you have a link to an article the rest of us do not...

Yeah, what's that about?

Hasn't Outrider etc been disowned by Disney/LFL?

No. All the canon announcement said, effectively, is that if the new movies conflict with the existing EU, the movies win. Anything set in and around the Galactic Civil War era is probably safe, since it's carefully written so as not to conflict with the "cinematic universe", and that includes a lot of territory……and as noted upthread, the announcement makes the Outrider undeniable canon, since it has a cameo in Lucas' most recent pointless rejiggering of A New Hope.

Hmm, thinking about it, I've only read things /about/ the announcement, not sure I've read the text itself. Do you know where it is online? (Don't worry if not, I can Google it). My understanding was they've said it's not canon and they'll officially re-establish anything they want to keep as canon.

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All the canon announcement said, effectively, is that if the new movies conflict with the existing EU, the movies win.

Which as I've said before, is really the same thing George said a number of times himself. EU fine but anything in the movies trumps that, including stuff in movies that came out after the EU source.

So he would have no trouble with saying that Han and Leia don't actually get married and have kids no matter how much that was part of the post-ROTJ EU.

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Also, see that senator's shuttle token in the core set? Prequels. Slave I? Prequels. Stellar envoy? (Falcon's precious incarnation) prequels. Could be wrong, but I think there's a lambda in there too somewhere. I don't buy the idea that prequel ships are lesser than ot ships. Ot ships (particularly rebel ships) are just more utilitarian, thus the more industrial aesthetic. The n1 was a royal escort ship, so was made with appearance in mind as much as punch. Think a sports car to a land rover. It still needed to protect the queen, so it needed serious capabilities as a star fighter. The fact the same astromech can interface with both an n1 and an x wing makes me think they aren't so far apart in underlying systems.

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All the canon announcement said, effectively, is that if the new movies conflict with the existing EU, the movies win.

Which as I've said before, is really the same thing George said a number of times himself. EU fine but anything in the movies trumps that, including stuff in movies that came out after the EU source.So he would have no trouble with saying that Han and Leia don't actually get married and have kids no matter how much that was part of the post-ROTJ EU.

"It can be overwritten by anything in future x" basically means it's not canon. If that's always been the case then it was never canon.

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I hope it isn't prequal ships... I really want my Outrider. :P

Good Lord, Aminar and I actually agree on something.

See, there's been a lot of talk of "iconic" Star Wars ships. The X-Wing is synonymous with the franchise. The TIE Fighter. The Millennium Falcon. Slave-1. The Star Destroyer. In fact, pretty much every piece of technology shown in the Original Trilogy has that instantly-recognisable look and feel.

Other than the Naboo Fighter, I cannot for the life of me name a single starfighter from the prequel trilogy. Or large ship for that matter. Or capital ship. IIRC, over the course of the prequel trilogy, the vehicles slowly started to develop into and look more like the iconic vessels we knew and loved from the Original Trilogy, but can I actually name any of them?

....no, not really.

But yes, I hope the recent announcements regarding the canon status of the Extended Universe don't hamper FFG's plans. I'd love to see the Outrider, Assault Gunboats, Skipray Blastboats, Muurian Transports, Pursuer-Class Enforcement Ships... the Wild Karrde...

 

Can't agree with that..... 

 

 

Can't agree with what, exactly?

 

That the Original Trilogy ships were almost all easily-recognisable and identifiable?

 

That I (personally) am incapable of remembering the names of any of the prequel trilogy starfighters and ships?

 

My hopes that the EU announcements don't adversely affect FFG's planned releases?

 

Seriously, I'm confused now..

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…and as noted upthread, the announcement makes the Outrider undeniable canon, since it has a cameo in Lucas' most recent pointless rejiggering of A New Hope.

 

Without wanting to totally derail the thread, is it actually possibly to get unedited, unrevised, original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy any more?

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I have never seen anything to suggest this.  Just because disney isn't developing anything for the prequel era, it doesn't mean they "don't touch the prequels with at ten foot pole".  

 

Unless you have a link to an article the rest of us do not...

They cancelled the Clone Wars and literally everything they're developing is Imperial Era. Not a single Clone Wars or before then thing. Nothing.

As for people saying about EU being decanonised, take a look at Wave 4. LFL tells FFG what it can make and what it can't.

It said in the announcement that they've decanonised the EU stories, but the stuff in EU they reserve the right to source extensively from. Ships, planets, organisations, everything they like they're going to keep. This is not the last we'll see of the TIE defender, and hopefully this also means the TIE phantom will be sticking around.

EU is still fair game to source ships from. My bets are on us seeing more EU staples, and by staples I mean stuff like the Z-95 and TIE defender.

There's a big difference between FFG using a picture from the prequels for the shuttle (what other options were there, exactly) or the Seismic charge and them releasing Delta-7 blisters. Every Clone Wars era ship that fits in X-wing's factions (and I mean has been used, not you personally think it could work) has already been made. Z-95, Y-wing, Firespray-31. There's nothing else that goes in the OT era. This isn't Starship Battles where the factions are Lightside and Darkside and you get Star Destroyers flanked by Lucrehulks.

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It is disappointing no FFG employees can frequent these forums and reply to our questions/concerns.  It would be awesome just to get some feedback if prequel are in the running or not, or just some player engagement.

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If that's always been the case then it was never canon.

That's kinda the point. GL always believed he could overwrite anything in the EU at a whim, because it just didn't count for him. He once talked about it being a separate universe from his movies.

But it's just a simple fact that the movies trumps all, which means parts of the EU were already invalid because a higher level source had something that conflicted with it.

That's why LFL came out with their levels of canon.

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I think the Clone Wars was ended because it wasn't really profitable anymore. A cartoon with a cancelled toy line isn't long for this world. But I do think LFL will keep a separate, PT game from being made until after Episode VII.

 

Still, my ideal Wave 5 would be:

 

Outrider/YT-2400

R-41 Starchaser

Virago/Starviper

TIE Avenger

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