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Her clothes aren't much skimpier than some of the outfits of the Disney princesses. Technically she wears more clothing than the mermaids in fact.

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Rejoice!

 

Even for people who like all the post-RotJ EU stuff, I think most of it can agree that well has been pretty tapped out.

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Here I have invested hundreds of dollars, read at least 60 books and a hell of a lot more of the comics... and I rejoice over these news!

 

The EU has grown too bloated, there is simply too much stuff there. This led to me giving up trying to stay with the game (gave up during LotF, and haven't read any Star Wars novels since Sacrifice). Now however they give me a chance to start reading Star Wars again WITHOUT an insane backlog, I can stay up to date by reading them as they are released, perfect!

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In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels. The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980s.

 

 

I bet all they're going to do is nod to EU when possible, but no major stories are made. Small stuff like the names of things, like Coruscant won't change anything, but they're probably going to dump everything else that's major. I hope they don't dump Mara Jade.

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:D Good news to me!

I didn't even know about EU until I explored the X-Wing forum.

 

"Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align."

 

For me, and it seems Lucas himself, "canon" is what I have seen in the six movies and what I will see in the sequel trilogy. Though I've not seen it yet, The Clone Wars is on my "to buy" list and I feel the same about "Rebels".

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Tho now we will have purists that only follow "new" canon, and ignore the "Legend" canon.  But i can see a problem with a snowball effect.

 

For example, from the article we know the ISB exists.  Does COMPNOR exist also? what about Emporer's hand?

 

Or simpler, if we spot a Twi'lek does that mean it only comes in the colors we see? Does Ryloth exist? what about Ryll? Glitteryll? and what about the Secret Lekku language?

 

I almost see a bunch of guys running around with stamps (like George did) and trying to find all the stuff they like and marking it into a story.  and not bothering to come up with anything new.

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Though I've not seen it yet, The Clone Wars is on my "to buy" list and I feel the same about "Rebels".

They'd be for me too if I could get over the CG art style. I never could get over it. As it is, I just catch the highlights on Wookiepedia.

 

I'm not too sad about the EU getting deleted (or put under the 'Legends' tags), but I really hope Dark Horse can finish it's second Legacy series and get out on TPB before they lose out on the publishing rights. The series has been pretty entertaining.

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Tho now we will have purists that only follow "new" canon, and ignore the "Legend" canon.  But i can see a problem with a snowball effect.

 

For example, from the article we know the ISB exists.  Does COMPNOR exist also? what about Emporer's hand?

 

Or simpler, if we spot a Twi'lek does that mean it only comes in the colors we see? Does Ryloth exist? what about Ryll? Glitteryll? and what about the Secret Lekku language?

 

I almost see a bunch of guys running around with stamps (like George did) and trying to find all the stuff they like and marking it into a story.  and not bothering to come up with anything new.

 

My reason for movie/series only is to keep life simple. However, I'm not against making up new things:

 

http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/104715-before-i-start/

 

I also have another personal creation: USLAG

 

United Seperatist League of Allied Governments

 

Thank you Ray Winston

 

So don't worry, not all of us are against new and different things.

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I haven't really read a post RotJ story that I like, so I'm super happy it's all being tossed out. The EU was too bloated with mediocre to crappy material anyway.

 

That said, I don't think this completely invalidates most EU stuff from pre-RotJ. Not until it's officially replaced with something in the new fiction anyway. Have they mentioned things like Shadows of the Empire and the Old Republic stuff?

My favorite EU books, the Han Solo trilogy by Daley, should be fine unless that come out and say the Corporate Sector doesn't exist.

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Tho now we will have purists that only follow "new" canon, and ignore the "Legend" canon.  But i can see a problem with a snowball effect.

 

For example, from the article we know the ISB exists.  Does COMPNOR exist also? what about Emporer's hand?

 

Or simpler, if we spot a Twi'lek does that mean it only comes in the colors we see? Does Ryloth exist? what about Ryll? Glitteryll? and what about the Secret Lekku language?

 

I almost see a bunch of guys running around with stamps (like George did) and trying to find all the stuff they like and marking it into a story.  and not bothering to come up with anything new.

 

 

Ryloth showed up in The Clone Wars kind of. They kept the planet's name but ignored everything else that had been established about its weather and climate. That was part of what I hated about the Clone Wars. The writers had a nasty tendency to write stories that clashed with the EU when they could easily tell the same story without clashing with the EU. In the case of the Ryloth arc all that would have taken would be setting the story on a Twi'lek colony world rather than their homeworld.

 

Ironically that arc also included a nod to the EU since the Republic fleet in the climatic engagement of the first episode used the Marg Sabl closure maneuver Thrawn used in the first battle shown in Heir to the Empire.

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I wonder, am I correct in my understanding that new novels slated for release will be canon?

 

Now wookiepedia needs to set up a Canon/Legends distinction on their stuff. Unless they want to ignore this and go "rogue".

 

I'm kind of happy about all this, because it seems that the rpg belongs in the legends category, the all-inclusive category, taking in everything legend and canon, everything they create of their own will probably automatically equate Legends, and not checked by the story group for implementation into the canon.

 

Ah... this is sort of a nice solution!

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Rejoice! You can't chain your writers/filmmakers to a stack of crappy books.

 

Okay, they weren't all crappy, but most of the ones I read were (I finally gave up with Rogue Planet). Plus, knowing that everything from now on is going to be official, I might actually start reading the new releases... if they're not, you know... crap.  :P

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What's to rejoice? They made the laziest creative decision possible. The EU is what drew me into Star Wars universe in the first place. Back in the day, I was just a disillusioned Trekkie who stumbled upon a Timothy Zahn book. I was impressed by the effort made to tie various story arcs over the decades to make fleshed out characters with deeper motivations and personalities than could be shown in quick, two-hour movie installments.

 

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of the expanded universe I don't like. I've never liked anything post-NJO except for some parts of Legacy (Imperial Knights are awesome!), and there were more than a few missteps made leading up to that.

 

Still, most of the EU has something enjoyable to it if you just look for it. While I didn't enjoy KOTOR II, I deeply respected the story's writer for making it a point to watch/read everything in the EU (including the Holiday special, which we all hope is still canon). I've always wanted to get a look at Leland Chee's Holocron, amazed by the amount of work that must have gone into it. I get that most of the movie-viewing public isn't going to brush up on the Yevethan Black Fleet, the reborn Emperor, or the Second Galactic Civil War. But tossing it all aside is throwing out the baby with the bathwater because taking care of a child is too hard.

 

For all its flaws, the EU provided some great, defining moments. Disney might be willing to throw them away, but I'm not about to forget Ganner Rhysode becoming a god to the Yuuzhan Vong, Admiral Pellaeon leading the Empire into a peace treaty with the New Republic, Rogue Squadron taking down Ysanne Isard, or Luke proposing to the love of his life. The galaxy where a young Luke Skywalker took down the Death Star in one shot is the same one where a fledgling rebellion rallied around the actions of Darth Vader's betrayed apprentice. If Leia hiding the Death Star plans in R2-D2 is still canon, there's no reason why Bria Tharen and Kyle Katarn's efforts to get those plans can't also be canon.

 

tl;dr: This isn't the Star Wars I'm looking for. It can go about its business, but I'm not ready to move along.

 

I have a bad feeling about this.

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Weep or rejoice.

 

I'm going with the wait and see policy. Let's see how Disney run SW New EU works out. Could be a nice shot of excitement in the arm or a fat dose of Jar Jar Binks style "creative" additions.

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Definitely in positive category, as even though I liked the characters mostly from their backstories in the Zahn novels, Shadows of the Empire and most the Stackpole X-wing novels and early Han Solo books, I would rather Lucasfilm have the freedom to take what they like from the EU and disregard the rest for the sake of creative freedom.

 

The backstory of Boba Fett surviving the Sarlaac was fun for a popular character for example, but I wouldn't weep too hard if he was left dead unless they planned to something more signifigant with the character.

 

Things like organizations, species, planets, Ship models from prior to RotJ I can see remaining largely intact, its the species wide nemesis like the Vong, Mandalorians and Starkiller silliness that I doubt we see more than easter egg mentions without retaining any of their stories.

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The starships and space battles have always been my favorite parts of Star Wars so it will be interesting to see what they include from the EU.

 

I just hope they include some actual combat ships in the frigate and small cruiser size ranges since I have a soft spot for tho small to midsize capital ships both real, and fictional due to a combination of books I enjoyed when I was a kid, early rp and wargame experience, and family history. The Clone Wars went for the combat capships must be either very small, or very large route I would like the new movies to have more of a middle ground as well.

 

(In EOE terms most of my favorite capships would be silhouette 6. The ones we saw in The Clone Wars and PT which were intended for combat were either silhouette 5, or silhouette 7 or 8. One might have been silhouette 6 but the crew size we saw and armament imply that they were 5s.)

 

And I hope the director doesn't turn all the space battles into his usual two minute space massacres followed by ramming or boarding tactics. I fear that the climax of the first movie will involve the heroes having to board some superweapon and sabotage it because their fleet and fighters have been all but wiped out, can't possibly hurt the thing enough to stop it, or both. That or it will involve all or some the old heroes having to make a Kamikaze run to stop the superweapon.

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I would refer those upset with the new ruling to a tweet by Jennifer Heddle (senior editor for the books)

Jennifer Heddle @jenheddle Apr 25

"Creators of new SW entertainment have full access to the rich content of the EU.. elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels."

 

Jennifer Heddle @jenheddle Apr 25

Please keep in mind, from the release: "While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded."

https://twitter.com/jenheddle

Basically, it sounds the material is going to be scavenged and utilized in a way similar to the marvel comics. The good stuff will end up getting retconned and reincorporated as broad events, if not that word for word story, while the bad stuff will fade to obscurity.

This does not seem like such a bad thing, and it frees the new films to do whatever they want, while still cherry picking popular EU characters if they want to.

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