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So a local store is running a store championship tournament, but claims it will be single elim and not swiss, is this legal? Been digging through floor ruels trying to find something applicable to this.

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Did the owner say it was an 'official' tournament or is it just for fun. Don't be a headache for your Local Game Store owner or he'll just stop running those events.

If it's a Store Championship and they are using the SC Kit, then it's an official event and needs to be run according to FFGs rules. If it is too "much of a headache" for the organizer to run it properly then he shouldn't run it at all.

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Did the owner say it was an 'official' tournament or is it just for fun. Don't be a headache for your Local Game Store owner or he'll just stop running those events.

If it's a Store Championship and they are using the SC Kit, then it's an official event and needs to be run according to FFGs rules. If it is too "much of a headache" for the organizer to run it properly then he shouldn't run it at all.

Jim

 

Where do you see that info posted? OP says nothing about an 'SC Kit', say nothing about it being official, heck my local game store does just for fun tournaments all the time in various games that aren't official...they do exist ;)

Honestly it sounds like the worst kind of customer for a LGS. We had a few like that who would heckle the owner about every little thing that they thought wasn't up to their "code". Guess what? The owner finally just stopped running those events and everyone suffered because of the mouthy few.

Again, don't be a PITA to your LGS owner, he works hard so you can have a place to play, abuse it and lose it.

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People, people, people....no where has the op said that this is an official store championship....it's probably just a store tournament for fun and OP is using the wrong verbage. Until the OP reappears and clarifies I'm taking the side of the LGS Owner and hoping OP doesn't become one of those headache customers to him.

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People, people, people....no where has the op said that this is an official store championship....it's probably just a store tournament for fun and OP is using the wrong verbage. Until the OP reappears and clarifies I'm taking the side of the LGS Owner and hoping OP doesn't become one of those headache customers to him.

In the very first sentence he says it's a store championship tournament. Considering that we're right in the middle of the official store championships events schedule, its not that much of an assumption that the OP is talking about the official version, with the prize kit that includes a bye at Regionals. Those should be run the right way.

As for not being a PITA to the game store owner, that's a load of crap. Customers that support a business have every right to expect official events to be run using official rules.

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People, people, people....no where has the op said that this is an official store championship....it's probably just a store tournament for fun and OP is using the wrong verbage. Until the OP reappears and clarifies I'm taking the side of the LGS Owner and hoping OP doesn't become one of those headache customers to him.

In the very first sentence he says it's a store championship tournament. Considering that we're right in the middle of the official store championships events schedule, its not that much of an assumption that the OP is talking about the official version, with the prize kit that includes a bye at Regionals. Those should be run the right way.

As for not being a PITA to the game store owner, that's a load of crap. Customers that support a business have every right to expect official events to be run using official rules.

Jim

 

Ah, the angry entitled customer. The worst kind of customer.

Again, you assume it's official, and I'm asking for clarification (which hasn't been provided). Do you have something against 'the system'? :/

OP, please come back and clarify this for us.

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People, people, people....no where has the op said that this is an official store championship....it's probably just a store tournament for fun and OP is using the wrong verbage. Until the OP reappears and clarifies I'm taking the side of the LGS Owner and hoping OP doesn't become one of those headache customers to him.

In the very first sentence he says it's a store championship tournament. Considering that we're right in the middle of the official store championships events schedule, its not that much of an assumption that the OP is talking about the official version, with the prize kit that includes a bye at Regionals. Those should be run the right way.

As for not being a PITA to the game store owner, that's a load of crap. Customers that support a business have every right to expect official events to be run using official rules.

Jim

Ah, the angry entitled customer. The worst kind of customer.

Again, you assume it's official, and I'm asking for clarification (which hasn't been provided). Do you have something against 'the system'? :/

OP, please come back and clarify this for us.

Angry entitled customer? You got all that from the post? Interesting.

Considering the thread says "store championship", the post repeats "store championship" and the X-Wing Store Championships are going on right now you don't really need to go out on much of a limb to come to the conclusion that we are all talking about the same thing. After all where else do you see people using the term "store championship" to describe a random tournament?

And besides, if it was a random tournament why would he come on here to ask people if it was "legal"? That kind of describes something formal or sanctioned.

Or maybe by legal he's wondering if the government is going to come shut them down mid tournament and he doesn't want to get caught in the middle of that one.

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Ah, the angry entitled customer. The worst kind of customer.

Again, you assume it's official, and I'm asking for clarification (which hasn't been provided). Do you have something against 'the system'? :/

OP, please come back and clarify this for us.

Everyone else's default assumption has been that when the store and/or the OP calls it a "store championship", it's a store championship. Your default assumption is that it's not a store championship, and that anyone who takes the OP at his or her word must be angry and entitled.

The OP asked a straightforward question: should Store Championship tournaments be run using Swiss? He or she deserves a straightforward answer: as others have noted, Swiss is the only sanctioned format for X-wing tournaments. It's perfectly possible to point this out to the TO politely, and I'd suggest that the OP do so.

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the paper insert within the kit says that the TO is free to do whatever he likes, so long as all the participants are informed about it beforehand and not like on the day itself.

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I haven't opened our kit yet, but the FFG OP Guide is very clear that the store gets to decide the tournament format. Swiss is the recommended format, but even that is only up to the point where the organizer decides to start running elimination rounds.

FWIW, our tournament will be Swiss.

Edited by elfholme

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Uh oh....all those people clamoring that the LGS owner was being naughty sure look silly now. Be kind to you LGS owner and he'll be good to you. ;)

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Uh oh....all those people clamoring that the LGS owner was being naughty sure look silly now. Be kind to you LGS owner and he'll be good to you. ;)

Your victory lap looks a little unjustified from my perspective. The OP was apparently right to call it a store championship, and everyone who pointed out what FFG's tournament rules say about Swiss format is also still right. The fact that the publicly available rules are superseded by a different rules document that's only available to SC TOs is going to give rise to a fair amount of confusion, but that reflects poorly on Fantasy Flight's Organized Play people--not the players who have read and understand the existing rules.

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Uh oh....all those people clamoring that the LGS owner was being naughty sure look silly now. Be kind to you LGS owner and he'll be good to you. ;)

Your victory lap looks a little unjustified from my perspective. The OP was apparently right to call it a store championship, and everyone who pointed out what FFG's tournament rules say about Swiss format is also still right. The fact that the publicly available rules are superseded by a different rules document that's only available to SC TOs is going to give rise to a fair amount of confusion, but that reflects poorly on Fantasy Flight's Organized Play people--not the players who have read and understand the existing rules.

 

I dunno about 'unjustified', I was on the LGS Owner's side and ended up being right ;) but if that upsets you, I understand.

 

People are so quick to jump on these owners' backs and readily assume they are up to no good, then wonder why there are less and less LGS and why the ones that remain only seem to play MTG....

 

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I haven't opened our kit yet, but the FFG OP Guide is very clear that the store gets to decide the tournament format.

I don't doubt you... I'm just curious as to what document to which you are referring. Do you have a link to it?

Edit: found it. See subsequent post.

Edited by Lappenlocker

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I haven't opened our kit yet, but the FFG OP Guide is very clear that the store gets to decide the tournament format. Swiss is the recommended format, but even that is only up to the point where the organizer decides to start running elimination rounds.

FWIW, our tournament will be Swiss.

Is this the OP Guide to which you refer? Regardless, this document does clear state the although Swiss style is preferred, the TO is free to choose the tournament format.

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I almost wonder what's the difference between running a full single-elimination tournament vs. running a few rounds of swiss before cutting to a top 4 or 8 and then having single elimination from there.

 

I know the BIG difference is the "LUCK" factor is ratcheted all the way up as there is no recovering from one bad game.  How to seed the tournament could also be debated.

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So a local store is running a store championship tournament, but claims it will be single elim and not swiss, is this legal? Been digging through floor ruels trying to find something applicable to this.

 

It depends if it is a FFG Sponsored Store tournament, or just a Internal store tournament.

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It depends if it is a FFG Sponsored Store tournament, or just a Internal store tournament.

Wrong. See the links in all my posts.

Edited by Lappenlocker

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It depends if it is a FFG Sponsored Store tournament, or just a Internal store tournament.

Wrong. See the links in all my posts.

 

 

It looks as if the Organizer can chose reading the first few Paragraphs? Or does it contradict that later?

Edited by KovuTalli

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Good question. I guess that depends on what the Store Championship package has in it for instructions. Since I haven't seen one, I can't comment on that. However, the guide I linked does have this possibly conflicting information (emphasis mine):

"If this is your first tournament, follow our recommendations below to run a Swiss format tournament. Of course you may choose to use another tournament format instead.

We have published detailed tournament rules for every one of our OP-supported games. You will find these on our website at www.fantasyflightgames.com/opsupport.

Why use the Swiss format?

All of FFG’s competitive events are run using the Swiss tournament format. The Swiss format creates a positive tournament experience because: ..."

Does that mean competitive events run by FFG staff or does that include the Store Championships? Without a quote from the instructions for a Store Championship, I don't know. All I know is that several folks here have used this guide to prove that other formats are permitted.

Since you pointed out the apparent conflict I'm beginning to think that the first paragraph is referring to tournaments supported by the organized play kits but the Store Championships could very well fall under the first sentence under the "Why use the Swiss format?" section.

Stuck in FFG ambiguity yet again. (sigh)

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By the sounds of it, if it is a FFG Sponsored event, such as Store Champs/Regionals, etc. It has to use FFG rules and Swiss format.

 

But if it is just a Store holding it's own tournament with no input or prizes from FFG it can run its own Format but I believe most still run Swiss anyway as its more fair and more fun for all involved.

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