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Edge of Empire core book on pdf

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Never. The license ffg has classifies pdfs of game books as "electronic games" meaning its under the video game license, not the RPG/minis license, ffg isn't allowed to make PDFs without cutting a deal with the electronic gaming license holder (currently electronic arts).

Go buy the dead tree version.

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Buy the book. Cut the pages out of it and make your own pdf. It really isn't that hard.

The cover of my table copy is getting dinged up and the spine is getting loose, so I may just do this if I'm feeling ambitious.

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Buy the book. Cut the pages out of it and make your own pdf. It really isn't that hard.

The cover of my table copy is getting dinged up and the spine is getting loose, so I may just do this if I'm feeling ambitious.

 

We almost bought another copy just to do it but we're lazy and didn't feel like spending an afternoon scanning pages. It would be so nice to look at it on my phone when I'm bored though...

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Buy the book. Cut the pages out of it and make your own pdf. It really isn't that hard.

The cover of my table copy is getting dinged up and the spine is getting loose, so I may just do this if I'm feeling ambitious.

 

We almost bought another copy just to do it but we're lazy and didn't feel like spending an afternoon scanning pages. It would be so nice to look at it on my phone when I'm bored though...

 

I have an unemployed stepson with a digital arts/media degree that owes me for room and board, so I won't be wasting an afternoon of my time. Hell, he owes me bookmarks too! :)

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Buy the book. Cut the pages out of it and make your own pdf. It really isn't that hard.

The cover of my table copy is getting dinged up and the spine is getting loose, so I may just do this if I'm feeling ambitious.

 

We almost bought another copy just to do it but we're lazy and didn't feel like spending an afternoon scanning pages. It would be so nice to look at it on my phone when I'm bored though...

 

I have an unemployed stepson with a digital arts/media degree that owes me for room and board, so I won't be wasting an afternoon of my time. Hell, he owes me bookmarks too! :)

 

hahahaha that's cruel. I like it!

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Thanks guys I was not aware that the license did not allow e-copy. And I did buy the book, just that it's freakin heavy to take to con games ;-)

Just wait until you have about 18 splats and 2 more core's to lug around. WFRP with it's kazillion bits will technically be more portable at that point. 

 

That's where we're at folks. Star Wars: You play it at your house or find a good chiropractor. 

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I typically run table tops at con games here in LA and I think I'll stick to the Beginners Game for now to teach new players the game. I think the partability of pdf is handy but if its not going to happen for licensing reasons I understand. Just that most of the other role playing titles from FFG are available on pdf already.

 

I dont relish carrying those 3 big corebooks: Edge, Age & Force around at a convention ;-)

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I typically run table tops at con games here in LA and I think I'll stick to the Beginners Game for now to teach new players the game. I think the partability of pdf is handy but if its not going to happen for licensing reasons I understand. Just that most of the other role playing titles from FFG are available on pdf already.

 

I dont relish carrying those 3 big corebooks: Edge, Age & Force around at a convention ;-)

I hear ya, it's ugly. But yeah, FFG are stuck with the same bs that Wizards was as far as digital licensing. I'm glad you at least got the short and polite answer before the Forum Police wake up and arrive with their Snark Batons.

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I've only had to grab my rulebook twice during the last four hour session we played. I wouldn't sweat it...

 

Our group has been playing for around 6 months, we very seldom open the book during a session.

 

As GM, even if I can't quite recall the details of a rule, I just make a decision at the table rather than spend the time to look it up. I'll check it again later and try to commit it to memory for the next time.

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The only other thing about .pdfs is they very easily end up on pirate sites.. While it's nice to get a free .pdf off a pirating site, it absolutely kills the profits the FFG would get and profit loss = no more Edge / other StarWars RPGs their looking to produce.

 

That's the world we're in unfortunately. If people want to pirate pretty much anything, they're going to find a way. J K Rowling wouldn't put the Potter books up as ebooks for a long time, quoting piracy concerns, even though they were already all available as perfect PDF's. Meanwhile, every time someone went to kindle or ibooks and searched for Harry Potter and didn't find it was potentially a lost sale.

 

The PDF's would be great for convenience, but you can't beat that beautiful big book! 

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I have mixed feeling about this. I have some PDF files on my iPad. Some may have been acquired in a Nar Shaddaa back alley.  Some are professional grade PDFs. But either way, I still cant get used to reading things like that, even ebooks, on my iPad. For a professional grade PDF, the search text, and the ability to cut and paste is invaluable on my PC. With scanned documents, it is just, eehh. I'm old fashioned, and I love my book collection, some of you may have seen my gaming room pics on here. I like to have the books in my hand. But electronic books is the way of the future. I'm pretty sure that the next round of Star Wars RPG games licensing will include this electronic ebook format somehow. FFG can do the print on demand stuff right now, so at least it is one tiny step.  I would be interested to see numbers and facts about selling, piracy and the cost of doing business with the paper books and the ebooks in the gaming world. 

 

 

Why aren't libraries considered physical "Pirate Bays"? :P  

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Why aren't libraries considered physical "Pirate Bays"? :P  

 

Maybe because they have a handful of copies that one person can read, rather than one copy than an infinite amount of people can read. But true, they function of a same principle: file sharing.

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While I'm seeing the word "never" get thrown around a lot within the context of FFG Star Wars PDFs, none of us are privy to the details of the licensing deal between Lucasfilm and FFG, to include duration. My point is simply that the answer isn't "never" so much as "not right now, but possibly at some undetermined point in the future as Disney re-evaluates the license."

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While I'm seeing the word "never" get thrown around a lot within the context of FFG Star Wars PDFs, none of us are privy to the details of the licensing deal between Lucasfilm and FFG, to include duration. My point is simply that the answer isn't "never" so much as "not right now, but possibly at some undetermined point in the future as Disney re-evaluates the license."

True, but it's not gonna happen with this edition of the game and there's a lot of legal weirdness to hash through.

 

We don't know things like what exactly "electronic games" mean legally speaking, how changing the language to allow e-books would effect other parts of the license, how hard EA will be willing to fight to keep the license the way it is, if Mickey is getting his grubby little claws involved at Lucasfilm or just just letting them make all the moneys the way they always have, if FFG cares enough to push for a changeor is perfectly happy selling dead trees...

 

It's all too fuzzy, but it is clear that not much is likely to change soon enough to get EotE on a legal, officially produced PDF.

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That's the world we're in unfortunately. If people want to pirate pretty much anything, they're going to find a way. J K Rowling wouldn't put the Potter books up as ebooks for a long time, quoting piracy concerns, even though they were already all available as perfect PDF's. Meanwhile, every time someone went to kindle or ibooks and searched for Harry Potter and didn't find it was potentially a lost sale.

 

The PDF's would be great for convenience, but you can't beat that beautiful big book! 

 

That's a tough place to be in for a business, but it's pretty shitty as a customer too. When I got a Kindle a few years ago I intended to buy all seven HP books that day in the ebook format (despite already owning them in hardcover). They weren't for sale, but they were definitely up on torrent sites.

Or Rolad Dahl books as a US customer (which again, I already own dead tree versions of). Only UK customers can purchase the digital editions and I can't just go to amazon.uk either becaues I activated my Kindle in the US. Guess where I was able to find them without hassle regardless of my geography?

 

I know that there is a culture to pirate, but I absolutely loathe when restrictions are put in place to stop pirating. They don't keep people from pirating materials, but they do make it more difficult for people like me to get the products I want to pay for. I'm basically willing to pay twice! Once for the physical copy and again for the easy access of digital editions. And I know I'm not the only one.

 

Sorry for the rant. It's a major pet peeve of mine. Don't even get me started about the terrible pricing model for ebooks.

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I remember seeing a thread on RPGnet about a business where you send them in your hard copy of a book and they make it into a pdf for you and destroy the hard copy. IIRC, it was considered legal since you still only ended up with one copy since you 'format shifted' or something like that.

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