MirumotoKatsuro
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What does Sumiko do next, indeed. She knows, or at least firmly believes, that the edict naming Shoju regent is legitimate, but that might lead her to suspect Toturi as being part of Shoju's plan. She may conclude that Shoju has had him killed because he knows too much - which would be hard to disprove, as Aramoro in fact did his best to kill him. No one will believe Shoju when he says Aramoro wasn't acting on his orders, despite the truth of it. "Believing what is true is only sensible," says Shoju himself, but believing a Scorpion in a dangerous situation many would say is not. Toturi himself needs to enter into this, and quickly, if Shoju's not going to take the fall for it, I think.
Honestly, if she somehow got wind of it, I could see Hotaru jumping on Team Shoju Did It, as a way to potentially remove Kachiko from blame. I could see that being the thing that averts the Crane civil war, even - Hotaru, Kuwanan, and Kakita Yoshi all coming together against Shoju and the Scorpion.
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I'm still on the new side to Legend of the Five Rings, but I've played enough games that I think I'm getting a sense of it. I thought at this point I'd ask for some advice on my deck. Everything here is here for a reason, but that doesn't mean there isn't a better reason to use something else.
Keeper of Earth
Mountain's Anvil Castle (Core Set)
Sacred Sanctuary (Breath of the Kami)
Ancestral Lands (Core Set)
Restoration of Balance (Core Set)
Sharing Shinsei's Wisdom (Rokugan at War)
Shameful Display (Core Set)
3 Mirumoto Hitomi (Children of the Empire)
3 Agasha Sumiko (The Chrysanthemum Throne)
3 Mirumoto Masashige (Seekers of Wisdom)
3 Mirumoto Raitsugu (Core Set)
1 Mirumoto Prodigy (Core Set)
3 Niten Master (Core Set)
3 Niten Adept (Core Set)
3 Tranquil Philosopher (Core Set)
3 Agasha Swordsmith (Core Set)
3 Hitsu-do Disciple (Shoju's Duty)
3 Togashi Initiate (Core Set)
3 Doomed Shugenja (Core Set)
3 Mountaintop Statuary (The Chrysanthemum Throne)
3 Favorable Ground (Core Set)
3 Tattooed Wanderer (Core Set)
3 Ancestral Daisho (Core Set)
3 Kitsuki's Method (Core Set)
3 Mirumoto's Fury (Core Set)
3 Hurricane Punch (Breath of the Kami)
3 Let Go (Core Set)
3 Gaijin Customs (The Chrysanthemum Throne)
3 Invocation of Ash (The Fires Within)
1 Favored Mount (Core Set)
3 Banzai! (Core Set)
3 Defend Your Honor (Children of the Empire)
3 Court Games (Core Set)
3 Fine Katana (Core Set)
3 Elegant Tessen (Seekers of Wisdom)
And there we are. Maybe not the most subtle deck, but I've had fun with it. Let me know what you think please.
edit: More changes, based on advice I received. I'm still happy to hear opinions on the deck.
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17 hours ago, Shiba Gunichi said:I gotta say, the new continuity is doing a MUCH better job of laying out the insecurity that was supposed to be in the Mantis' social wheelhous
From what little I know of the old lore, my impression was that Yoritomo's intentions then were more "we will prove that we are worthy of Great Clan status," whereas now, I agree, it seems like a much more insecure, entitled "we should be a Great Clan, but we've been jobbed." Does that seem accurate? Frankly, I don't find these Mantis terribly likable. They want a place in a society of honor and chivalry, when they seem not to value those ideals much, or want to use them to earn said place. In the words of Worf, "We cannot regain our honor by acting dishonorably." Their piratical culture seems to me as foreign to Rokugan high society as anything the Unicorn have encountered.
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I'm still quite happy with Oguri & Kudaka as characters, and I like their interactions. "That snort" was a nice touch. If theirs were the marriage that made the alliance, I'd be ok with that. I'm still voting Oguri for Crab Clan Thunder.
Has FFG said anything yay or nay about a playable Shadowlands faction? I could see this being a tease for that, even if you (and the symbol on their clothes) are "Named Oni's Horde" not "the Legions of Fu Leng."
Also, that second-to-last line. Gaze not too long into the abyss, Crab-san...
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On 5/22/2020 at 9:47 PM, Suzume Chikahisa said:I'd be wary of having the Phoenix flat out allying with the Unicorn against the Scorpion and the Lion.
If this is a thing that happens, I definitely hope they show how this alliance is actually brokered, because the Phoenix-Unicorn issues shouldn't just suddenly go away. It might be within the power of the Crane to make it happen, but not overnight, barring a Lion invasion of Phoenix lands or the like.
On a different note that may or may not be relevant to the larger story: I wonder if we just saw Asami's Yogo curse manifest. However unwillingly or unwittingly, she easily could've just condemned Aramoro by letting on to his involvement in Toturi's "death." The question may be if he's the one Asami loves most, or their child, or someone else, but from what we've seen so far, I suspect it's him.
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51 minutes ago, phillos said:Yoshi's pride seems like it will be his undoing. He can't help but congratulate himself at every move. That said it's nice to read a Yoshi fiction without having to jump through hoops to defend his competency. It was nice to see him have a good day here.
I like all the beastly descriptions of Ujiaki's courtly demeanor. Lots of growling and roaring 🙂 I really like Ujiaki as an antagonist. I would like to check in with him again to get a better sense on what his overall strategy is for the Lion in this conflict.
I am dead curious where Ujiaki fits in to all this. I'm loathe to make this accusation, but if he's behind the Lion aggression, as seems the case, but more importantly, doesn't state a motive beyond generic "but the Unicorn..." well, then it seems like he just wants to cause chaos. As a Kolat might.
I am glad that we got to see Yoshi accomplish something in his schemes. He's due his 6 political influence being shown up a bit. I do have to wonder though... he makes a lot of assumptions about his victory over Shoju. I might argue that one of them is that it ever happened. Shoju is, after all, Champion of the Emperor's Underhand. Yoshi might want to bring his nose back down to check his own feet for traps.
I am a bit intrigued by Doji Fumiki now. Her card puts her in the light of a generic arrogant noble, but this story suggests there's rather more to her than that, so I wouldn't mind seeing her again.
edit: Also, with Yoshi now believing that he knows the truth about Toturi, I think it reasonable to assume that Kuwanan will be told. Kuwanan, in turn, I suspect will throw it in Hotaru's face as an accusation, and part of his case against her. Toturi was supposed to be her friend, after all, as well as a fellow Clan Champion.
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1 hour ago, Diogo Salazar said:I mean, Hotaru still has daddy issues and Kuwanan believes his dad was murdered. Honestly, if Hotaru had found the truth about her father’s murder she would have probably put a lid on that. She is definitely putting hos over bros there, what’s to say she would n’t just let go her father’s murder?
Kuwanan might have come from the wrong assumptions about who murdered his father, but if he found out the truth, I believe he could let go of prejudices to the Scorpion.
Maybe, but I think it's much more likely that Kuwanan will find out about Kachiko's hit on Toturi. I can't imagine anything convincing him that the Scorpion haven't just greased Emerald Champion #2 in a row, and then he'll never be swayed from his path at that point. Maybe he'll realize Shoju hasn't been in on it, but I don't know if he'll care much even if he does. It could also lead people to jump to some conclusions about Agasha Sumiko - potentially even Sumiko herself. "Am I the one the Scorpion want as Emerald Champion? Have I been played this whole time?"
As for me, the writers will have to slap me in the face with the evidence to make me think this is still manipulation by Kachiko. Nothing about the writing of the relationship between her and Hotaru has struck me as such. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they make it to a happy ending somehow, even.
I did enjoy the writing of Bayushi Yojiro in this. Doing his duty as a Scorpion, but also complete acceptance that "a samurai lives at all times three feet from death." Relieved as he was to avoid the duel, he would've gone to it showing no fear.
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7 hours ago, Shiba Gunichi said:I spent the whole friggin' fiction waiting for something like that, because while Kachiko is deeply unhappy in the pages preceding that, it's a very selfish unhappiness- she doesn't seem upset about the consequences of her actions upon others until that bit with Yojiro.
But it's nice to see someone who has essentially been nothing but a villain up to this point having a "lightbulb" moment.
Of course, with Hotaru on the way, I see more bad decisions and tragedy looming, albeit for very human reasons.
Truth be told, I wasn't expecting it to happen, but I'm very happy that it did. It's a big step for Kachiko, and now it's time for her to move forward or back with it. Now her character is becoming something more than just a selfish schemer. I'm also happy that we're getting more about the nature of her relationship with Hotaru. I'm hoping that we get something similar for Hotaru and Toturi, who did get mentioned, at least. It does make me wonder if Hotaru will find out about the assassination attempt on Toturi and be put in a position of picking between him and Kachiko. It might be in her best interest for Kachiko to come clean about it, at least to Hotaru. Hotaru might take the Lion's actions under Matsu Tsuko as evidence that Kachiko was right, but just struck at the wrong Lion leader to counter it.
Where does this put the Dragon Clan, I wonder? Agasha Sumiko has thrown in with Shoju, so even though I have a hard time believing she knows why, I wouldn't be surprised if she knows about Kachiko being sent away. Shoju might also be well-served to come clean with her as much as he can, before some damning report comes to her from the Kitsuki. In the meantime, has Hitomi managed to wrangle the prince?
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7 hours ago, KakitaKaori said:Even this course of action, it's Kaede who sets him on it.
Another random tinfoil hat thought: what if it isn't Toturi who will be/is suffering some consequence of Kaede's reviving him? What if it's Kaede who's vulnerable to corruption/Fu Leng/etc and has set him on a path that benefits the Shadowlands somehow? What if it's a third party? The obvious one would be their child, but what if it isn't? What if it kills one of the princes, resolving the succession? Furthermore, her card's flavor text says "With that choice, a soul was rent and a destiny altered." Again, the obvious thing would be that someone was sacrificed in some manner to alter Toturi's destined death, but what about the less obvious options? It's got me pondering who else's destiny could be altered for the positive (I admit I don't really see a soul rent having a positive meaning). Coming back to Kaede, for example, what if the soul rent is her own - Fu Leng takes notice of her perilous magics and she ends up in the evil-consort-of-evil role, and therefore the destiny altered is Shahai's, by being kicked out/saved from it? (operating of course on the assumption that she's headed to that role as old Shahai was)?
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I can't help but wonder how the Dragon Clan are going to fit in to Toturi's mission here. There are already Kitsuki trying to work out the truth of the Emperor's death. They might be convinced to help find the truth of Toturi's attackers. That, though, might set them against the Scorpion, whom Agasha Sumiko is supporting - and she knows the truth of the regency edict. Seems like we're gonna get ourselves in trouble here - hypothetically Dragon Civil War-level trouble.
Tinfoil hat on, this could be part of Fu Leng's plan. Every Great Clan divided. Tsuko vs Toturi. Kuwanan vs Hotaru. Kisada vs Yori. Shoju vs Kachiko. Potentially Altansarnai vs Chagatai and Sumiko vs Yaruma, which leaves the Phoenix. Tadaka vs Tsukune? We're already down one Elemental Master, and likely to be down at least one more in the near future.
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17 hours ago, Shiba Gunichi said:The Crane Clan: When you want something done right, send Shizue.
Pity the Unicorn just allied with a clan that's about to start vigorously punching itself in the face.
This just caused me a thought, actually: what if, either because the Clan rules against both of them or they end up removing themselves from the competition somehow (say, by being married off, banished, etc), neither Hotaru nor Kuwanan is made the Crane Clan champion, but Shizue? It's probably a long shot because of her physical handicap, but she's demonstrated much more successfully the Art of Peace than her siblings.
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4 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:Indeed. Whether the Lion's judgement is right - they have the strongest army, but they have a sizeable chunk of it is tied down against the Crane: how effectively they can fight two other clans at once remains to be seen - they (defining 'they' as the Ikoma) certainly seem to be spoiling for that fight.
Well, I'd say the Ikoma courtiers safely in Otosan Uchi seem to be spoiling for that fight. Ikoma Tsanuri seems less enthusiastic, just committed to her duty. Imagine if not the Dragon but the Scorpion find out about this whole "starving the troops to make them raid and pillage" thing. I'm not sure Shoju would be happy, but I think the Clan at large would have a field day.
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1 hour ago, Schmoozies said:I expect the long term set up will have her marrying into the Unicorn. She's high enough profile and shows the Crane support the Unicorn not the other way around.
That was my suspicion as well. It does make me wonder if this'll end with her marrying Haruko. It would be an interesting way to resolve Kuwanan's challenge, if he's married off and no longer in a position to make it. Also, when I said that the Champions would have to rouse themselves and make decisions... this is what I meant. Good job, Altansarnai. The Unicorn take the first player token.
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Disclaimer: I get that this is a post from 2017, but it came up on a Google search, and I couldn't not respond after I read it.
This is one of the best gaming pieces I've ever read. I just copy/pasted it into a Word document to show friends & family. Given some of my bad experiences with the playerbases of other games versus my good experiences with my fellows in Legend of the Five Rings, thankfully, I can say that folks seem to believe in this. Thank you, sir, for so eloquently putting this forward. May you find all that you seek.
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It's a little odd to me the variation in screen time that the champions have gotten. Toturi and Shoju have been major characters. Yokuni has had a substantial influence, although he hasn't left his rock in the High House of Light. Altansarnai has done significant things, but we haven't seen her recently. Hotaru hasn't been around since early on, even though Kuwanan is coming to take the Clan from her. Kisada and Tsukune haven't done much of anything on-screen except set up the overall characters of their respective Clans. If we've reached the breaking point, and the Clan War is upon us, I imagine some champions will have to bestir themselves and make some decisions here (or Mirumoto Masashige will do it for you, Yokuni. O_-).
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21 hours ago, KakitaKaori said:It /was/ done to do do exactly that....by Shosuro Hametsu, Kachiko's brother. The letter Kuwanan found was planted by the Shosuro daimyo to do just that.
Do we know that for sure? I thought it had been left ambiguous whether that was the task he'd given her or not, which is actually why I didn't mention him, because my Hametsu sense fires up at all sorts of things. Maybe I'm misremembering though, and it was made clear.
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Ikoma Tsanuri is on her way to becoming my favorite Lion character. Like Toturi, she has her faults and inner conflicts, but like Toturi, she fights those battles as an honorable - and, I daresay, even compassionate - person. She seems rather like a mirror of Utaku Kamoko who, despite coming from the Clan of compassion, I feel is rather lacking in that department.
Also, send word to us, Tsanuri! We shall instruct the Kitsuki to hound Ikoma Ujiaki as they hound the Scorpion - with great enthusiasm, and for the good of the Empire.
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On 1/30/2020 at 9:02 AM, Magnus Grendel said:Also, nice to note that even without the wards present, the spiritual impact of what Sotorii did appears to be entirely real.
I've still got on the tinfoil hat that Sotorii may not have done it. Somebody or something did, but the blackout still stands out in my mind.
Also, the silent prayer to "a thousand years of outraged Lion ancestors" amused me greatly.
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On 2/12/2020 at 10:09 PM, Hydraxus said:I really like how very much in his father's shadow Kuwanan is - every decision he seems to make is ran by his idea of how Satsume would act/approve.
I very much think he'll need to break free from this, before it destroys him. I don't view Doji Satsume as someone whom I could think highly of myself if he approved of my actions. Thought: cards like Effective Deception suggest that this whole reveal to Kuwanan has been engineered to bring down Kachiko and Hotaru - what if it's intended to bring down the Crane as a whole? Ruin Hotaru's reputation, destroy Kuwanan by destroying his image of Satsume, all this after the Crane have fought a civil war? Kakita Yoshi (and to a lesser extent Kuwanan again) could be playing right into his hands by believing Bayushi Shoju has usurped the throne - rumors for the mill of a Crane Clan Coup? That seems very much like something that would please the Scorpion, and in one move, bring the Lion in on their side to boot.
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On 1/10/2020 at 1:14 PM, Nitenman said:Well, there hasn't been a major Shadowlands outbreak in a while, Rokugan has become dismissive towards the Crab, thinking moving into their territories or wandering their lands without travelling paper is fair game.
How wrong they are and will be proven furthermore.
And maybe one could argue that after all this time, at least some of the Crab are becoming dismissive of the Shadowlands. "It can't corrupt us. We have taken so many precautions. I just need to know a little more... I just need the actual scroll... I just need fresher blood..."
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1 hour ago, Tonbo Karasu said:I liked both of the main characters in this. More depth on Maezawa is good. And Mai is a sympathetic depiction and a very Phoenix reason for a samurai doing what they did.
Agreed on all points. I've been dying to see more of the Phoenix than "the shugenja Clan." Makes me wonder what would've happened if Mai had fled to the Unicorn lands - enemies of the Phoenix, familiar with strange spirits and strange magics, embodying the virtue of compassion. Maybe she'd be proven right... or maybe good intentions would pave the road to Jigoku.
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Making no claim as to the likelihood of their selection, these are the characters I would enjoy seeing as the Thunders currently:
Crab: Yasuki Oguri - I really liked this character after the Crab/Mantis short, and would like to see more of him.
Crane: Doji Kuwanan - Kuwanan is flawed, but I think he knows it, and a flawed character always has potential in my mind.
Dragon: Mirumoto Hitomi - She's my favorite character, and if I were king and tyrant, that's how it'd be. She's another flawed character; I like the contrast of her anger and bitterness with her sense of honor and duty, and the iron will they give her.
Lion: Akodo Toturi - Toturi is a good man, and I want one in the story.
Phoenix: Kaito Kosori - From what little I know of her she seems like a cool character, and I would like the Kaito family to get more screen time in general.
Scorpion: Shosuro Miyako - I somewhat admire Miyako, and I think the Thunders will need someone to say "no matter the odds, no matter the cost." I think she and Hitomi would understand each other.
Unicorn:
Iuchi ShahaiShinjo Altansarnai - Poor Shahai. I feel bad for her and want there to be a happy ending for her somehow; I don't care who she was in the old lore. Altansarnai has been demonstrated to draw strength from compassion - that is not something you read often enough, and I want it in the story, similar to Toturi. -
I circle back to the questions of "what is honor?" and "are we really upholding it?" as part of the Suijindai idea. I don't think this story (or virtually any of them) are supposed to give us a simple good guy/bad guy. Was it honorable for Kamoko to give this girl the death she sought, or was it honorable for the Lion samurai to spare her? Many of us - outside the story and with a very different set of morals and cultural standards - will think we have an absolute answer, but I very much don't think there is intended to be one for the characters.
A Discerning Eye and an Unyielding Resolve
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It's occurred to me that this story came out right after they previewed the new card for Sumiko, who is ominously holding a scroll case, presumably with the edict in it. It rather drives home how much hinges on whether she, personally, still believes Shoju and the edict or not. I think it's unlikely, but who knows, we may even see her destroy it. I'm sure the thought will cross her mind, if nothing else.