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  1. Well, I guess I am out of the loop on Magic, I quit playing a while ago! But I never saw straight text changes when I did play. Banning didn't bother me personally when it was warranted, although I get the counterpoint that it is more offensive than changing the text. I guess banning bothered me less because formats were established and as a primarily standard/limited (and extended once I had been playing long enough) player, I knew the card would be out in a couple years anyway. Although I don't think anyone was happy with the amount of banning that happened during the Urza cycle.. I don't think I suggested FFG was obligated to issue updated cards and I am sorry if I seemed to imply it. My point was them doing it simply for the sake of our benefit, aka doing their customers a solid. As I've stated, I understand they can do as they please. But I think a company's actions matter more in a smaller community such as this one, with me assuming that they can afford to turn customers away less than a game with a larger following. Also, just to restate, yes I agree keeping the game balanced is healthy, my concern is the method. Happy to see the kind of discussion I envisioned finally take off, thanks to everyone for their input.
  2. FFG doesn't have to offer tournaments or rules updates, sure, but they have a vested interest in selling their product and these things help keep interest alive. If they didn't serve that purpose, call me crazy, but I don't think we'd see them. Ishi, I think altering text is where I draw the line. The restricted list didn't bother me, some soft/invisible errata (like tattoos not being able to target enemy units) was fine, but I haven't seen anything like these changes before. Well, I have, in Hearthstone. I've played mostly Magic and Hearthstone. I've never seen these changes in Magic. In Hearthstone it happens, but it has the benefit of being a digital game. I think I've laid out my reasoning in the post. I also don't think these alterations will be the last. Someone in the discord suggested that after they make enough changes, they'll release an "errata pack" which struck me as funny but also not impossible. How many changes until it becomes too burdensome or unreasonable? Maybe I'm wrong and these will be the only text changes in L5R LCG's lifespan, but seeing as how FFG finds the practice acceptable and uses it in their other games, I really doubt it. We take opposing viewpoints of consumer protections Kani, and that's fine. I say that's a big reason regulation exists, because if every company could get away with that absolute reasoning they would. We sold you water that was poisoned, there was no bargain beyond transaction that stipulated the water had to be potable. You agree that car companies should pay for safety recalls, but not companies that functionally alter their product afterwards. So there's a line somewhere we'd both agree to, but I don't think we'll find it (and really, who cares, as I didn't originally post this to go into a debate of any sort). You can shutdown my opinion by just calling me entitled or saying that I'm whining if you want, but at the end of the day, it doesn't mean much to me. I've stated how I feel, tried to offer why, and that's that. Comparing this issue to price changes is unfair as that's an entirely different mechanism of the market. I would agree that anyone who buys a product at one price and later wants reimbursement for a new, lower price is definitely out of touch with capitalism. As Elon asked one such individual, if Tesla prices increase, will previous buyers cut him a check? Not likely.
  3. Haha, I appreciate the drinking game idea, and I don't see why you're asking for trouble--it's a fair question. But I don't think this issue is black and white. There are probably casual players who care and those who don't. Competitive/hardcore players who care and those who don't. I'd say I'm in line with what Rafael is suggesting. I care about the rules, my collection, and the direction of the game, even if I never make it to a sanctioned event. I've put a lot of money into it, storage of it, protection of the cards, etc. I don't mind criticism, but there's quite a difference in expressing it and raising alternate points, versus attacking someone. But thank you for the apology. I don't feel that it is about entitlement. It's about consumer protections, something I am passionate about. Here's how I see it: I gave FFG money for a product and they changed their end of the bargain post-transaction without offering any recourse. Further, we are paying the cost for their inability to adequately invest in playtesters. FFG is pushing the boundaries of this with an ever expansive restricted list and errata'd cards in their other games (Star Wars: Destiny that I know of). I don't expect any company to get it right 100% of the time--that's asking the impossible. But I do expect them to correct the issue in a way that puts their customers first, without whom they would not be in business. You don't pay the costs when your vehicle is recalled because of a safety defect. I don't think reissuing cards with the updated text would really hurt their bottom line, not when they can offer promo cards for ordering the next cycle of cards directly from their website instead of supporting your LGS. I totally understand that some of you aren't bothered by the changes, and that's okay! I'm not going to try and convince you that you should be. But I am, and if this becomes the norm for this game, I won't be able to keep supporting it. And I think it won't do FFG or the L5R franchise any favors when it comes to getting new players into the game.
  4. I am 100% not trolling, this was not a joke post, and this is my only account. This is my first LCG and I don't like decisions like this that FFG is making. That's great you can accept it, but if you believe I'm not allowed to find fault in FFG selling us cards and literally changing what they do with not a word of making it right, then I guess that's what allows companies like FFG to make decisions without putting their customers first. Again, I'm perfectly fine with rebalancing cards for the health of the game. I'm not okay with them leaving out any sort of compensation as part of that process. The toxicity of some of your responses is definitely enough to put me off of the game. Is this what I should expect if I ever dared go to an official event? I had a pretty cordial discussion about this in the L5R discord, but I guess I should have expected more hostility from those on the FFG forums. Thank you to those who were decent enough not to attack a fellow player of the game we enjoy for raising an issue of concern.
  5. Hello, I am posting to gather ideas and solicit feedback for the recent changes made to cards in the article https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2019/4/29/shifting-the-heavens/?fbclid=IwAR0Tx2sRCkrJoLtHNnONAZVXztrJoQGWVbqAp63nVx3iTJe2oXCMNRtPkoU While restricting cards certainly becomes necessary to improve design space, we now have cards we purchased that no longer do what they say. Regardless of whether or not you agree with these changes, they have been made in order to maintain a healthy state of the game and that is fact. My main concern is how will FFG follow up on this for the sake of players? In my opinion, in a world where FFG puts the players first, an "errata pack" of fixed cards would be issued for free to whomever requests one, one per person/household/however they want to do it. But that's my opinion. Given their possible inclusion in a core set 2.0 or deluxe core set re-release, that feels like an option that shows no value in the players as that is essentially forcing us to re-buy cards that for whatever reason made it past playtesting the way they were. What are your opinions? What do you think the best way to handle this is? Please consider the implications for dedicated, semi-casual, casual players and anyone in-between. If FFG has already issued some announcement regarding how they plan to handle this, please link it here as I have not seen it, thanks!
  6. Hello, I am posting to gather ideas and solicit feedback for the recent changes made to cards in the article https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2019/4/29/shifting-the-heavens/?fbclid=IwAR0Tx2sRCkrJoLtHNnONAZVXztrJoQGWVbqAp63nVx3iTJe2oXCMNRtPkoU While restricting cards certainly becomes necessary to improve design space, we now have cards we purchased that no longer do what they say. Regardless of whether or not you agree with these changes, they have been made in order to maintain a healthy state of the game and that is fact. My main concern is how will FFG follow up on this for the sake of players? In my opinion, in a world where FFG puts the players first, an "errata pack" of fixed cards would be issued for free to whomever requests one, one per person/household/however they want to do it. But that's my opinion. Given their possible inclusion in a core set 2.0 or deluxe core set re-release, that feels like an option that shows no value in the players as that is essentially forcing us to re-buy cards that for whatever reason made it past playtesting the way they were. What are your opinions? What do you think the best way to handle this is? Please consider the implications for dedicated, semi-casual, casual players and anyone in-between. If FFG has already issued some announcement regarding how they plan to handle this, please link it here as I have not seen it, thanks!
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