You mean, "an updated version of TLT would be fine in 2.0". The range bonus, single arc, need to rotate - all of these are the lessons learned and applied. But if Newey McNewface at AMG makes a 360 degrees weapon that grants no range bonuses, and almost always does 2 damage - it most certainly would not be fine.

Having to rotate arc, ability to be arc-dodged, extra dice at range 3, generally more efficient and tougher ships are harder to burn down.  If TLT came into the game at it's 1.0 cost it would be unplayably bad.

We also need at least some continuity in the design team, otherwise we will see the mistakes repeated that Alex and Max already learned from. Max came in with new ideas in first edition (TLT) and it hindered the game, but he learned lessons from them. There is 0 guarantee that new ideas won't be TLT without a veteran to veto obvious bad stuff that have already iterated through.

****. If AMG tanks the game, can we just ignore their expansions/points in some community events? 

****. If AMG tanks the game, can we just ignore their expansions/points in some community events? 

Man the minis have been totally gutted. I can't imagine how these decisions were made.
First Alex, now Max...
F

I hope others just also follow the maxim "if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all" 
I will say that this forum/thread included fantastic people and it was an absolute pleasure to discuss, joke, and argue. The blow of loosing this interaction would be harder if it hadn't been softened by months of inactivity.
The possible end of the forums won't change these great people - and it also won't change those people who actively worked to make this place way worse than it had to be. To those I'll have to keep quiet.

So this is how this thread dies, with polite applause.

So this is how this thread dies, with polite applause.

I'll simply say, this is by far, the best forum a gaming site has ever had to my -albeit limited- knowledge. I would argue it assisted sales, and the evolution of the game, as much as anything they attempted. But far better, it allowed some fantastic asteroids hurdling through he blackness of space bump into one another and share some thoughts and laughs in a way that would have never occurred otherwise... for that, I love this board.
Be it stays, gets moved or revamped, it's been a grand little run regardless I count my contacts here nothing but joy (even disagreements, haha).
Cheers mates!

If you race to the bottom in the bid war, you might just bottom out. Equip some upgrades:
https://hoarderofgarlicbread.wordpress.com/2020/12/09/not-to-worry-were-still-flying-half-a-ship-actually-afterburners-or-burn-up/

If you thought scrolling up in the forums was hard... #discord

If you race to the bottom in the bid war, you might just bottom out. Equip some upgrades:
https://hoarderofgarlicbread.wordpress.com/2020/12/09/not-to-worry-were-still-flying-half-a-ship-actually-afterburners-or-burn-up/

Quoted for emphasis. 
At its best the X-Wing community always had this energy: 

This thread was a small 1,500 page part of that. 

Since I joined this thread in the beginning it’s worth returning to post once more. I’ve learned a lot through people on this thread. 
 
Thanks FFG. It hasn’t been perfect, but it’s been a good run.

There really was a glorious period of real talk prior to the shut down.  Good times.

I know things got a little patchy around here towards the end, but just wanted to give a personal thanks to everyone for contributing to real discussion and such.  It's hard to achieve, especially mostly anonymously over the internet on something like an official forum. I assume this forum/board will be shut down... soonish, the end is nigh, etc.
 
Anyways, thanks for being great!

Poetrey vs 5 Khiraxz
Lets put Overdrive Poe back to the table.
Rey (68)
Rose Tico (9)
Korr Sella (6)
Finn (9)
False Transponder Codes (2)
Shield Upgrade (4)
Rey’s Millennium Falcon (2)
Poe Dameron (62)
Outmaneuver (6)
R4 Astromech (2)
Ferrosphere Paint (4)
Overdrive Thruster (8)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Proton Torpedoes (12)
Total: 194
View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0
I played against a fairly new X-Wing player. I was really happy to see someone's getting into the game lately.
 

Setup: Poe's so fast that he can run away from the Khiraxz if he needs to.
 

Poe overdrived barrel rolled left. He will 1 straight the upcoming round to see if the Khiraxz will turn or not. Then he got lots of choices on how to overdrive...
 

Two rounds later. The swarm decided to turn into the obstacle field. Poe won't turn in here because I found it a bit risky. He will bank instead. This means that the small asteroid in the middle of the board remains an actual obstacle for my opponent he has to consider.
 

Green shouldn't be there in that round. I took the photo a bit late  Rey traded some shots for no damage on both sides. Again I don't want to turn in Poe. He has to keep his distance to the swarm so a 1 bank it is. Rey will go straight because the Khiraxz will probably bank towards her because they're stressed.
 

Poe used his Torps rolling 4 hits. The Khiraxz took 2 damage. Rey arcdodged red with a boost but wasn't able to get a shot, either.
Now everyone will probably try attacking Poe. Therefore the Flyboy will turn left and hit the gas to arcdodge at least 1-2 shots. Rey will turn in. She doesn't really care about the debris.
 

Green was ionized btw and landed on the rock. Overdrive Thrusters saved the day. Poe will bank again to get some distance to the swarm. Rey will Segnors loop to stay behind the swarm. 
 

Here's why Overdrive Thrusters are so good and a ton of fun to play. This is the position Poe ended up after he 2 banked. Without OT he will suffer lots of damage there. It took me some time figuiring out what the correct OT move is: Poe barrel rolled right and than 2 boosted right. I really wasn't sure if he's able to dodge all the arcs that way.
 

He was. Awesome  (Rey destroyed green in the meantime)
 

Rey finally ended up in a bad spot and lost her first shield. My opponent did the right decision here turning all of his ships around. Poe disengaged, locked red and 2 barrel rolled. Now he is in a good position to get back into the fight the upcoming round. Rey will turn in trying to bump into a Khiraxz to avoid at least one attack.
 

Red died. My opponents dice were pretty cold. Rey only lost a single shield.
 

Rey bumped again but I was fine with that. My target priority was bad because I split my fire.
Poe can 1 bank right without getting in trouble while Rey tries to bank again.
 

Poe had to boost but wasn't able to kil brown with Reys help. Rey lost her last shields.
 

The last round. Rey segnors looped and boosted straight. She finally destroyed brown. Poe dodged the incoming fire again. Win
 
Conclusion:
- Oh Poe...I love you!
- OT is really strong. Giving Poe the Proton Torps was the right decision because he can fly around with his Wings closed most of the time. This means that he can barrel roll every round. 
- Ferrosphere Paint did nothing...well actually my opponent wasn't able to lock me once. He had the bullseye arc in every other situation. So I think I should put Black One back on Poe. Having the title would have made things a lot easier in the situation where he got cornered.
- False Transponder Codes needs more testing. It did nothing in this match. Contraband instead would have helped a lot instead. 
- All in all Rey is a way better wingman for Poe than Han.

Unironically this, despite being one who personally likes Extended more. Extreme Maneuvers are somehow Hyperspace Legal and oh boy, do they offer the time on target and knife-fighting that was expected!
The fact that the SF is the only chassis for FO that has generics legal is also really cool. The Static + Gideon combo was always decent, but it had a massive opportunity cost because you weren't taking the generics + swarm buff shuttle of choice. With no generic TIE/FO's to worry about on your end or the opponents, the triple crit combo could mean something.

Unironically this, despite being one who personally likes Extended more. Extreme Maneuvers are somehow Hyperspace Legal and oh boy, do they offer the time on target and knife-fighting that was expected!
The fact that the SF is the only chassis for FO that has generics legal is also really cool. The Static + Gideon combo was always decent, but it had a massive opportunity cost because you weren't taking the generics + swarm buff shuttle of choice. With no generic TIE/FO's to worry about on your end or the opponents, the triple crit combo could mean something.

Unironically this, despite being one who personally likes Extended more. Extreme Maneuvers are somehow Hyperspace Legal and oh boy, do they offer the time on target and knife-fighting that was expected!
The fact that the SF is the only chassis for FO that has generics legal is also really cool. The Static + Gideon combo was always decent, but it had a massive opportunity cost because you weren't taking the generics + swarm buff shuttle of choice. With no generic TIE/FO's to worry about on your end or the opponents, the triple crit combo could mean something.

Maybe everybody's busy trying out new Hyperspace lists. 😁

You're right, that is a bold statement. I said that because when you play a list I think you rather quickly get a feeling if it is bad, good or really strong. After 7 games with this list (5 are in this thread) I think it can be really strong if you put enough reps in. It sure has some tough matchups (i.e. bombs). But I'd rather play this against swarms than any other aces list because IC makes these things nearly unblockable. 
I also faced another CIS swarm lately. The potential to dance around behind gas clouds and to lure your opponent into certain positions is pretty powerful. I only killed two vultures but lost only 1hp. If your opponent can't focus fire he/she won't get any damage through. Having IC means you can block enemy ships in the system phase or get into a position where your opponent can't block your maneuver later. This is why I think the ship is so powerful. Oh yeah, and the Stealth Device. If it would lose the mod slot it becomes different ship 😉
What comes to my mind as well: The 3 ETA list requires a really defensive playstyle. But this isn't the way everybody wants or can play the game. I am still struggling with this as well. 

To clarify further, one of my losses with them was against Boba Emon. As a result of Emon's very strong area denial, I just didn't have a good vector so I couldn't make up the lost points from the ARC. But if I didn't have the 3rd body, the aces would be cornered very quickly.
I'll admit that my loss against Rebel Beef was on me, but the area denial by angry Wulff, bombing Dutch, and Crackshot Wedge in the list made things very claustrophobic.

Are all of your games in this thread?  Just curious if you've played against beef, swarms or much stuff with bombs.  The emboldened part of the quote seems like a pretty, uh...bold statement.