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  1. Chiming in, I was the player flying Admonition vs Base Defense PIC (and I flew against Armed Station the next game). I haven't played a 400pt CC campaign, so maybe my opinion on this is misguided. However, keeping in mind that base defense objectives are balanced to give a sizeable advantage to the 2nd player, I felt that in order to keep a similar level of balance to the 400 point game, removing a token wasn't really going to cut it. A single shot from a PIC token is disproportionately powerful against a 200-point fleet, as over 4-5 turns, it can more or less single-handedly destroy half the attacker's fleet. While Admonition isn't necessarily the most resilient ship in the game, it's no pushover and Mothma Foresight is very well suited to countering PIC... yet it got demolished. Now, to be entirely fair, we only have 2 data points and I'd very much like to go against this fleet/objective again. I don't really see how I could have flown it so much better that it would have made a difference, but 2 data points isn't enough to make a call on balance, though I'm leaning towards reducing the number of dice at this point. The other potential problem with Taskforce CC is how starved one is for points. I haven't spent too much time thinking about it and as I said, I haven't played the 400 points game, but in TF CC, it's more or less impossible to add or replace a ship, so as soon as you lose anything else than a squad or flotilla, you pretty much have to retire the fleet. At 30-ish points (+ refit) per game, you're not repairing all that much and you're certainly not replacing anything anytime soon.
  2. That would mean Clone Wars, so unlikely..... for now...
  3. I was thinking Hangar Bay at first, but it does look very much like "Deck", it looks like there's 4 letters in there. As for the keyword, I think we should not assume the picture has anything to do with the effect of the card. Just look at Heavy Ion Emplacements. We all thought it had to do with anti-air when we got the first blurry preview and it turned out to be quite the opposite. I think the keyword is Rogue rather than Swarm. The card isn't exclusive to the Empire (no Imperial Icon on the bottom right) and Rebels can hardly make use of a "Swarm" upgrade", unless it's for defence. We also know the expansion squadrons focus on Rogues and Villains, meaning more Rogues, so it would stand to reason if that upgrade synergized with the rest of the pack. My best guess so far is: "When a non-unique squadron with Rogue at distance 1-5 ........ If you do, ... squadron ... value to "3" ... place that squadron ... distance 1 ...."
  4. Rebel filth!?!? REBEL FILTH!?! By next Worlds, your Emperor will be dead. The thousand nations of the Rebel Alliance descend upon you. Our MC-30s will blot out the sun.
  5. To be fair, I'd rather have discussions about an hypothetical 2.0 than endless Salt Threads, Salt Threads with 50% less sodium or gluten-free Armada is Dead. There's a lot of healthy discussion to be had under the 2.0 moniker, even though I feel most people don't particularly want an actual 2.0 I feel there are some rules revisions the game would benefit from (namely Intel = Grit and possibly a reworking of objectives). I don't necessarily think it requires new packaging or the 2.0 branding, but FFG might feel differently.
  6. But in Armada, even if you overtake your prey, if you're not first player/outactivate your opponent, even with a ship that could arguably be classified as a pursuer (i.e.: a MC30), there's hardly any way to inflict significant damage on your prey. The only way to sort of do it is to end your movement on the sides/in front, which defeats the purpose. I agree it shouldn't be standard operating procedure in the game, but I could see certain ships being able to do it. At the moment, Demo is the only one with the capability. Which is why, at face value, I'm interested in an officer/upgrade that applies to certain ships.
  7. I agree. You could argue that if you nav'd properly, you wouldn't be in this position, but I find it often means that your ships is somewhat out of the game for more rounds than it is in, which I don't find fun. Maybe I just need to 'git good (very likely), but an officer that allows this? Yes please. Make it unique (a la Hondo) if you need further limitations. Imperial players can get Demo + this and with a small-only limitation, maybe you've given further incentive to build around imperial MSU? Maybe?
  8. Agree on pretty much everything Mad Cat said. I would add: Consider Slicer Tools on the flotilla, as you're probably going to melt against heavy squadrons. Cham is awesome, but it's one use. It also allows you to slice after movement, for the situations where Cham isn't in range at the start of his activation. Consider switching XI7 to H9. It's almost up to personal preference, but against a non-ECM ship (they exist... alarmingly so), you lock down the brace and they eat your full damage. Sure, it might all go to shield (save for APT), but they still at 6 damage instead of 3, which is 3 more shields to regenerate. Short term, it's a "worst" result, long term it really isn't. Of course, this holds true for large ships more than small, so if you see a lot of small, XI7 might be the way to go. Don't underestimate H9 however. Gunnery Team vs OE: You're likely not going to get 2 targets at short range. You might, but it's not a super easy thing to pull off. If you do, it probably means one of them is double-arced and in a lot of situations (most?) you'll want to double arc one ship. It just requires a different kind of nav. You have Rieekan and Bail, you have the option to drop the bid entirely. Bail is incredibly strong if used on the right turn (usually turn 3). It might be enough for you. Dropping the bid allows you to add wonderful things to your fleet. Imagine having both Advanced Gunnery and Bail. As for objectives, I would consider Solar Corona over Minefields. Minefields creates non-games and against opponents with VCXs, might get you into trouble. If you don't drop Gunnery Teams, be mindful of the interaction between it and Advanced Gunnery. This is what it would look like, potentially: Commander: General Rieekan Assault: Most Wanted Defense: Planetary Ion Cannon Navigation: Solar Corona GR-75 Medium Transports (18) • Slicer Tools (7) • Quantum Storm (1) = 26 Points Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette (36) • Cham Syndulla (5) • External Racks (3) • Task Force Organa (1) = 45 Points Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette (36) • Boarding Engineers (2) • External Racks (3) • Task Force Organa (1) = 42 Points MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63) • Lando Carissian (4) • Ordnance Experts (4) • Assault Proton Torpedoes (5) • H9 Turbolasers (8) • Admonition (8) = 92 Points MC75 Ordnance Cruiser (100) • General Rieekan (30) • Bail Organa (7) • Ordnance Experts (4) • Quad Laser Turrets (5) • Electronic Countermeasures (7) • Assault Proton Torpedoes (5) • External Racks (3) = 161 Points Squadrons: • Shara Bey (17) • Tycho Celchu (16) = 33 Points Total Points: 399
  9. I agree. You're in Hawaii for god's sake, you should be able to sell this to your SO. It's not like you're selling a relaxing day in Hothgary or a border town in North Dakota. It's Hawaii...
  10. Sorry about those, should have double-checked: 10th: MC80 has Leading Shots, GR75 has Comms Net instead of Boosted Comms. Still very much communicating, though. 12th: Missing a Hammerhead Scout with Slaved Turrets. It laid hidden in the folds of the list. 13th: 13th is missing Gozanti Cruisers, which weren't hidden anywhere... Sorry for the trouble! I'll do better next time, I swear!
  11. Traveled 6 hours to a Regional last weekend, might travel 3 hours for a minor tournament this weekend. Might travel to Toronto (likely by plane) if I can get a ticket to the Nationals. Routinely travel half an hour for small tourneys
  12. H9 are great with anything that can do a large amount of damage, really. If you plink shots, it's not as interesting, since H9 is a pretty expensive upgrade and plink shots usually come from small ships. However, a MC30 side arc is not something to underestimate. If people in your meta don't bring ECM as a standard, H9 will shine as you can lock the brace and make sure the damage you roll with your black dice sticks. I had no idea of the meta in Fredericton, but I ran into a single ECM (on the Raddus MC75) all day and looking at all the lists, there was only a handful of players who brought ECM of Advanced Projectors or RBD. Even if they bring ECM, they can only brace one of the shots. It was really the star of my day and while I wouldn't say it's an auto-include on a MC30, it does add a good amount of punch to the shrimp.
  13. Data for Fredericton, NB Regional. A bit against the grain as Rebels generally outperformed the Empire and we had no 2-ship Imperial Hotness. Fun games all around. @geek19 you'll be proud of the 3rd place Leia. Quickstats brought to you by State Farm: Avg Bid: 6.3 (4x 0 point, 3x >= 10 points, 1x >=20 points) Avg Squadrons: 4.4 squadrons, 65 points, (3x squadronless, 5x >=100 points) Avg Number of deployments: 6.06 Avg Number of activations: 4.06 (2x 3 activations, highest: 6, 2x Strategic Adviser) Admirals Rebel (9 players): Raddus(4), Leia (1), Sato (1), Ackbar (1), Dodonna (1), Mothma (1) Imperial (6 players): Thrawn (2), Vader (1), Sloane (1), Jerjerrod (1), Motti (1) Ships Rebels: CR90A (12), GR-7 Medium Transport (9), MC75 Ordnance (4), MC30c Torpedo Corvette (3), Assault Frigate Mk.2 B (3), Hammerhead Torpedo (2), Hammerhead Scout (2), Nebulon-B Escort Frigate (1), MC75 Armored Cruiser (1), Pelta Command (1), MC80 Battle Cruiser (1) Imperial: ISD II (4), Gozanti Cruisers (4), Gladiator I (3), VSD II (2), ISD Kuat (2), Arquitens Light Cruiser (2), ISD Cymoon (1), Quasar I (1), Interdictor Suppression (1), Raider 1 (1) Winner! - Louis-André - 26 points - 694 MoV 400 points Objectives - Advanced Gunnery, Contested Outpost, Solar Corona MC75 Ordnance Cruiser - Commander Sato, Strategic Adviser, OE, ECM, External Racks, WAB AFMkII B - Paragon, Bail, OE, Boosted Comms, ECM, Spinal Armament GR75 Medium Transport - Bright Hope, Hondo, BCC Squadrons (110 points) - Nym, Jan Ors, Green Squadron, 2x Scurrgs, 2 X-Wings 2nd - Samuel - 21 points - 478 MoV 400 points Objectives - Most Wanted, Fleet Ambush, Minefields CR90A - Admiral Ackbar, Jaina’s Light, , Toryn Farr, TRC CR90A - IO, TRC CR90A - IO, TRC CR90A - TRC CR90A - TRC CR90A - TRC Squadrons (33 points) - Shara, Tycho 3rd - John - 21 points - 366 MoV 399 points AFMkII B - Commander Leia, Paragon, Flight Controllers, Advanced Projectors, TRC, Boosted Comm AFMkII B - Gallant Haven, Flight Controllers, Advanced Projectors, TRC, Boosted Comms GR75 Medium Transport - Bomber Command Center, Boosted Comms Squadrons (128 points) - 4x X-Wings, 2x E-Wings, Biggs, Norra Wexley, Y-Wing 4th - Ghislain - 21 points - 282 MoV 392 points Nebulon-B Escort Frigate - Admiral Raddus, Yavaris MC75 Armored Cruiser - Profundity, ECM, HIE, DTT, External Racks Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette - External Racks GR75 Medium Transport - Toryn Farr GR75 Medium Transport Squadrons (87 points) - 2x YT-1300, 2x Z-95, Jan Ors, VX-100, X-Wing 5th - Clayton - 20 points - 515 MoV 393 points Objectives - Precision Strike, Fleet Ambush, Superior Positions ISD II - Admiral Sloane, Avenger, RBD, Boosted Comms, Strategic Adviser, XI7 Quasar I - Boosted Comms, Flight Commander, Flight Controllers Gozanti Cruisers - Comms Net Squadrons (133 points) - Maarek, Jendon, Howlrunner, 4x TIE Interceptor, 2x TIE Defender 6th - Simon - 19 points - 144 MoV 377 points Objectives - Most Wanted, Planetary Ion Cannon, Solar Corona CR90A - Mon Mothma, Jaina’s Light, TRC CR90A - TRC MC30c Torpedo Frigate - Admonition, Lando, OE, ACM, H9 MC30c Torpedo Frigate - Foresight, OE, ACM, H9 GR75 Medium Transport - Slicer Tools, Quantum Storm Squadrons (33 points) - Shara, Tycho 7th - Alex - 18 points - 281 MoV 398 points VSD-II - Moff Jerjerrod, Tua, GT, DCaps, ECM, QBT Interdictor Suppression Refit - Interdictor, Brunson, DCaps, HIE, G7-X Grav Well Projector, Grav Shift Reroute Gladiator I - Demolisher, OE, ACM Gozanti Cruisers - Comms Net Squadrons (50 points) - Cienna, 3x TIE Interceptor 8th - Brian - 16 points - 296 MoV 399 points Objectives - Most Wanted, Planetary Ion Cannon, Dangerous Territory (not 100% sure about those) ISD II - Motti, RBD ISD II - RBD ISD II - RBD 9th - Stephen - 15 points - 205 MoV 400 points Objectives - Precision Strike, Fighter Ambush, Superior Positions MC75 Ordnance Cruiser - General Dodonna, DCO, Flight Controllers, Hardened Bulkheads, Advanced Projectors, External Racks, Leading Shots, QBT Pelta Command Ship - Ray Antilles, Medical Team, AFFM!, DCaps GR75 Medium Transport - Bright Hope, Toryn Farr, BCC Squadrons (131 points) - Ten Nunb, Dagger Squadron, Norra Wexley, 4x X-Wings, 2x B-Wings 10th - David - 15 points - 147 MoV 400 points Objectives - Opening Salvo, Hyperspace Assault, Intel Sweep CR90A - Admiral Raddus, TRC CR90A - TRC MC80 Battle Cruiser - Mon Karren, Gunnery Teams, DTT, Leading Shots MC30c Torpedo Frigate - Admonition, Lando, OE, External Racks GR75 Medium Transport - Bright Hope, Comms Net Squadrons (43 points) - Shara, A-Wing, YT-1300 11th - William - 14 points - 140 MoV 399 points Objectives - Most Wanted, Hyperspace Assault, Superior Positions VSD II - Grand Admiral Thrawn, Warlord, Gunnery Teams, Spinal Armaments ISD Kuat - OE, Hardened Bulkheads, RBD, External Racks Raider I - Agent Kallus, External Racks Gozanti Cruiser - Comms Net Squadrons (54 points) - 2x TIE Defender, 2x TIE Interceptor 12th - Ryan - 14 points - 140 MoV 382 points Objectives - Blockade Run, Hyperspace Assault, Solar Corona CR90A - Admiral Raddus, TRC MC75 Ordnance Cruiser - Profundity, OE, External Racks, APT MC30c Torpedo Frigate - Admonition, OE, External Racks Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette - OE, External Racks Hammerhead Scout Corvette - Slaved Turrets GR75 Medium Transport 13th - Justin - 14 points - 41 MoV 387 points ISD Cymoon - Darth Vader, Relentless, Strategic Adviser, GT, XI7 Gladiator I - Demolisher, Brunson, APT Arquitens Light Cruiser - Slaved Turrets Arquitens Light Cruiser - Slaved Turrets Gozanti Cruisers 14th - Sebastien - 13 points - 224 MoV 393 points Objectives - Advanced Gunnery, Fighter Ambush, Solar Corona ISD Kuat - Grand Admiral Thrawn, Avenger, DCO, BT, EWS, External Racks, Leading Shots Gladiator I - Demolisher, Brunson, OE, ET, APT Gozanti Cruisers - Comms Net Squadrons (109 points) - Mauler, Maarek, Jendon, Dengar, IG-88, TIE Advanced 15th - Phil - 13 points - 14 MoV 386 points Objectives - Most Wanted, Planetary Ion Cannon, Solar Corona CR90A - Admiral Raddus, Jaina’s Light, TRC MC75 Ordnance Cruiser - Aspiration, OE, ECM, Ordnance Pods, APT Hammerhead Scout Corvette - Slaved Turrets Hammerhead Scout Corvette GR75 Medium Transport - Bright Hope, Jamming Fields, EHB Squadrons (64 points) - Jan, Biggs, 2x X-Wing
  14. When I started playing Armada around 2 years ago, I never had any expectation of playing competitively. I didn't even know anyone that played the game, but thought I could interest some of my friends to use my ships and play a few games. A buddy started getting into the game too (shout out to @hratly) and we started playing competitively about 9 months ago. We never thought we would travel 6 hours to play in our 2nd Regional of the season, but yet, here we are. I placed 15th out of 20 at our local Regional with a Sato list that I wasn't overly familiar with. I was hungry for candy dice so I dusted off a Mothma list that I had run this summer with which I placed 3rd and made some tweaks. This is what I ended up running: CR90 Corvette A (44) • Mon Mothma (30) • Turbolaser Reroute Circuits (7) • Jaina's Light (2) = 83 Points CR90 Corvette A (44) • Turbolaser Reroute Circuits (7) = 51 Points MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63) • Lando Carissian (4) • Ordnance Experts (4) • Assault Concussion Missiles (7) • H9 Turbolasers (8) • Admonition (8) = 94 Points MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63) • Ordnance Experts (4) • Assault Concussion Missiles (7) • H9 Turbolasers (8) • Foresight (8) = 90 Points GR-75 Medium Transports (18) • Slicer Tools (7) • Quantum Storm (1) = 26 Points Squadrons: • Shara Bey (17) • Tycho Celchu (16) = 33 Points Total Points: 377 15 players showed up in total, from all corners of Eastern Canada. 3 byes were taken round 1 and we soon began hostilities. Round 1 - Brian - Mothma vs Triple Motti ISD - Dangerous Territory This is the easiest list to remember I have ever seen. Motti with 3 Reinforced Blast Doors ISD-IIs That's everything right there. 17 or so HP to blast through, times 3, and a bunch of mean arcs. I chose first player and picked Dangerous Territory. We deployed across from from each other and Brian quickly got 3 tokens. I maneuvered to flank his left ISD with Foresight and the CR90, while Admonition was running up the middle. Jaina's Light went off to pick up a bunch of tokens and Quantum Storm did its thing turn 1 and 2, before landing in the front arc of the right ISD and spontaneously disappearing. It was an obvious mistake on my part. I revealed a nav, got puzzled as to why I chose that instead of a squadron, slowed down, moved, realized it was to trigger Quantum Storm, which would have taken me out of the double arc if I had stayed at speed 3. The shipwreck gods were satisfied however, so at least there was that. The MC30s then got to work, Foresight got some shots in then scooted into the side arc. Admonition had an opportunity to Ackbar-slash between the left and middle ISD, but it was a tight fit. I ended up aborting the whole thing, as the results would be catastrophic if I guessed wrong. I parked myself in front and on to turn 3 we went. Reinforced Blast Doors was used and the ISD was sitting, mostly shieldless, but with full hull. Admonition activated, got rolled 6 damage + ACM, taking the ISD down to 6 hull (thanks H9) and the front arc rolled 4 + ACM (thanks H9), killing the ISD outright. The rest of the game was fairly uneventful, as I couldn't turn hard enough to threathen his speeding ISDs, though I did try a foolish maneuver with Foresight on turn 5 that required me to roll perfectly. The black dice failed me on the first attack and that was that. I picked up the 3 other tokens to cancel that out. Win 7-4, 99 MoV. Round 2 - Ghislain - Mothma vs Raddus Profundity + Yavaris - Dangerous Territory Ghislain had a bye round 1 and played a pick-up game against one of our top local players (also on bye) who had also made the trip. Ghislain ended up tabling him, so my hopes weren't very high. I also hadn't practiced my list against Raddus, so things looked pretty grim. Picked 1st and Dangerous Territory again. Ghislain deployed his obstacles so that he would get the tokens turn 1, I deployed the station near my edge and 2 asteroids way off to the side. Jaina's Light did its thing and we ended up splitting the tokens this time as well. Again, we deployed across from each other. Ghislain had 2xYT-1300, 2xZ-95, X-Wing, VCX, Jan and deployed Yavaris flanked by 2 flotillas. A MC75 Armored Cruiser (HIE, DTT, ECM) waited in hyperspace, with a ExRacks Totp Hammerhead in tow. I sent Foresight in to try and kill Yavaris as soon as possible (ETA: top of turn 3) while Admonition hung back a little. I wanted Yavaris off the board as soon as possible to allow me to deal with the Raddus drop. My positioning left a nice gap and Ghislain dropped the 75 and its payload right in front of Admonition. Slicer tool did its thing, but a double arc from the Hammerhead, Yavaris shots and a MC75 side arc left Admonition crippled, token-less and shieldless. Foresight vaporised the Hammerhead and got in position to take down Yavaris. Admonition tried to get away but could only get itself in a double arc at the back of the 75. Admonition was a goner, Foresight was parked in the front arc of the 75 and had already taken significant damage. I elected to sacrifice Admonition, foresight blew up Yavaris with one side arc volley but the black dice then failed and I couldn't kill the flotilla on the other side. The rest of the game was spent flakking and countering with Shara. The title less CR90 blew up while trying to get away and I racked up several points in squadrons. I managed to maneuver Foresight back into a double arc on a flotilla for the top of turn 6 and blew that up for an extra 18 points. Win 6-5, 38 MoV Round 3 - John - Mothma vs Leia Double MkII, with full squads (and E-Wings) - Precision Strike Was surprised to be Top 4 at that point as my margins just weren't great. Was pleasantly surprised to see Leia (I'm all for unusual commanders) but wasn't exactly relishing the prospect of facing a full squadron list, with a healthy serving of Y-Wings. I also wasn't exactly thrilled with the 2 E-Wings. Was first player again, picked Precision Strike as my other choices were Planetary Ion Cannon and Superior Positions. We deployed the objectives mostly on the left and then deployed fleets mostly center-right. I had the 2 CR90s and Foresight flanking from the left and Admonition deployed facing his fleet. Tycho was butchered and Slicer Tool, again, did its thing. Some plink shots were taken. Shara lasted a bit longer, sitting on her asteroid. Slicer Tools almost survived to see round 3, but alas, it was not to be. A tight speed 4 inside turn allowed Admonition to have side arcs on Gallant Haven and the BBC flotilla for turn 3. The left shot killed Gallant Haven (no ECM meant no brace) and killed the flotilla (again, thanks H9!). The title-less CR90 fell to squadrons (though John had terrible luck with his bombers, especially without BCC) and nothing else was popped as I couldn't catch up to the flagship in time. Having popped the frigate and the flotilla, I thought I had a somewhat comfortable win, but I had underestimated that John had 128 points in squads. I did win, but with a horrible margin. Win 6-5, 8 MoV. ------------------------------------------ Ended up finishing 6th, with 19 points, scoring the candy dice. The players in 2nd, 3rd and 4th all scores 21. All in all, pretty satisfied with my play, though I wish I could have won with better MoV. The MC30s are monsters and H9 is my new favourite upgrade. I believe ACM served me very well, seeing as I just barely killed 2 ships. The guys in Fredericton were downright awesome and very welcoming. I'll be posting the regionals data to the thread shortly (Sato win! Leia placed 4th!).
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