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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from Blail Blerg in Taskforce Armada Format! 200 pt 3x3 area   
    Another TF game today. I really love this as an option to get in a game in 2 hours or less (definitely less when I'm tabled in round 4) on a busy weekend.
    I flew a Motti Cymoon + 1 fleet, with Devastator and SA. @racknut flew MC75 Rieekann  + Hammerhead. I won the bid. As I had SA and he didn't, I took first player allowing for first or second mover. I picked Solar Corona, as my fleet wasn't meant to depend on accuracies in particular. Overall, I like my fleet. But I made a strategic error in the first round in my navigation. I angled at the MC75 when I should have flown straight, and set up only for front arc and lost the double-arc chance. That let the MC75 ram me straight on with its double arc. A Motti Cymoon is tough, but ultimately it can't slug it out with only a single arc. My opponent took smart advantage of my nav error and won the game. 
     
    I like this little fleet and might play it again. Navigated better it could have won. Though I need to think further on the tabling rules, and whether I want to trade points into a non-flotilla. I've played a bit both ways in TF and there's pros and cons. But now that we're playing more intentionally with the tabling rule in mind, it might skew me back to having a Raider or Arquiten instead of the Goz.
    Name: Taskforce - Motti Cymoon + 1B
    Faction: Imperial
    Commander: Admiral Motti
    ISD Cymoon 1 Refit (112)
    • Admiral Motti (24)
    • Strategic Adviser (4)
    • Entrapment Formation! (5)
    • Boarding Troopers (3)
    • XX-9 Turbolasers (5)
    • Enhanced Armament (10)
    • Avenger (5)
    = 168 Points
    Gozanti Cruisers (23)
    • Comms Net (2)
    • Suppressor (4)
    = 29 Points
    Squadrons:
    = 0 Points
    Total Points: 197
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    ShoutingMan reacted to Phil B in My first 400pt Sloane: Cymoon Sloane Aces + Quasar + 2   
    If you have a large portion of your points tied up in Sqns, but just 2 big targets to kill the 46 + points in the 2 Gozantis are good for activation padding, but with the last change, a tabling is a real possibility. Stick Sloane on the cheapest non-flotilla ship and run her away to stay alive, not much catches a speed 4 Raider1 running away.
    Even if you lose the Quasar and ISD you can still win or at keeping the loss to a manageable one 5-6 or 4-7 rather than a 1-10 to try to claw back from.
    Just my opinion, I have found it to work.
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    ShoutingMan reacted to Ardaedhel in rules answers: arc & line of sight diagrams   
    I think it's probably more obvious to people who play Vassal frequently:  the range templates Vassal uses make it super clear that you're only measuring within arc for range.

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    ShoutingMan reacted to Green Knight in rules answers: arc & line of sight diagrams   
    Why would it not be?
    It's been like this for ages now.
    Its easy enough to measure - just keep inside the firing arc!
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    ShoutingMan reacted to ovinomanc3r in rules answers: arc & line of sight diagrams   
    It should be.
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from Blail Blerg in Taskforce Armada Format! 200 pt 3x3 area   
    Ok. Part of my confusion is the "Learn to Play" 180 point 3'x3' game doesn't use obstacles. I've been trying to find its obstacle placement rules to use in TF...which won't work. 
    Following standard rules for obstacles in the 400 pt 6'x3' game:
     
     
    Dangerous Territory changes obstacle placement slightly:
    http://starwars-armada.wikia.com/wiki/Dangerous_Territory
    So TF would follow this too, with obstacles distance 3 of sides and distance 5 of players' edges (and distance 1 of each other).
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from racknut in Taskforce Armada Format! 200 pt 3x3 area   
    Ok. Part of my confusion is the "Learn to Play" 180 point 3'x3' game doesn't use obstacles. I've been trying to find its obstacle placement rules to use in TF...which won't work. 
    Following standard rules for obstacles in the 400 pt 6'x3' game:
     
     
    Dangerous Territory changes obstacle placement slightly:
    http://starwars-armada.wikia.com/wiki/Dangerous_Territory
    So TF would follow this too, with obstacles distance 3 of sides and distance 5 of players' edges (and distance 1 of each other).
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from racknut in Taskforce Armada Format! 200 pt 3x3 area   
    What are placement restrictions for obstacles in Taskforce? That is, how far from the edges do they go? And are the restrictions changed for Dangerous Territory?
     
    Thanks. I'm sure this is explained somewhere obvious, but I've not found it and this keeps bugging me during TF games - which proves to be a great way to get a good game in when I can't afford the time for the full game. 
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from racknut in rules answers: arc & line of sight diagrams   
    And that's how firing range distance measurements are actually done in tournaments? 
     
    If this is how it is, I'll incorporate it into my gameplay. I just keep looking for ways to speed up my gameplay, and I keep finding additional fussy rules that slow down my gameplay.
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from racknut in rules answers: arc & line of sight diagrams   
    New question about something that I think was FAQ'd a while ago, but suddenly become a real issue when playing this afternoon.
     
    Do people, Tournaments, play the above RAW, measuring firing range to nearest in-arc point on defender rather than nearest defender hull point being attacked?
    An example:
    Cymoon and GR75 are approaching head-on, GR75 to the Cymoon's left, positioned to come alongside and pass. The Cymoon just barely had front arc on the GR75 left hull, the arc line cutting just a millimeter or two (literally) within the left hull forward of the GR75's rear most corner. It's medium range, measuring from Cymoon front arc to nearest point on GR75 left hull. But it's long range measuring Cymoon front to GR75 rear-most point where the Cymoon front arc touches the GR75.
    My opponent (@racknut) pointed this out, but I disputed and we couldn't find the ruling easily, so I fired with full attack pool for medium range (blues and reds). But RAW per FAQ I should have only used red dice. It's in the FAQ, and yet I don't think I've ever measured this way.
     
    Is this really how people play, whether for fun or competition?
     
    Here's an illustration of the scenario:
    https://imgur.com/a/PkWX2wW
     




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    ShoutingMan reacted to Green Knight in rules answers: arc & line of sight diagrams   
    Attack range must be measured in firing arc. This has been in the faq for a very long time.
    In your example the Cymoon is at long range front to side.
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from Blail Blerg in Taskforce Armada Format! 200 pt 3x3 area   
    I also recommend playing it with the meta guidelines of “call out MO before it’s too late” and “when in doubt, err on the attacker’s side”. It makes for a more exciting game, helps you not miss steps and so play better, and maybe fosters the positive play we all want.
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from Blail Blerg in Taskforce Armada Format! 200 pt 3x3 area   
    What are placement restrictions for obstacles in Taskforce? That is, how far from the edges do they go? And are the restrictions changed for Dangerous Territory?
     
    Thanks. I'm sure this is explained somewhere obvious, but I've not found it and this keeps bugging me during TF games - which proves to be a great way to get a good game in when I can't afford the time for the full game. 
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from The Jabbawookie in My first 400pt Sloane: Cymoon Sloane Aces + Quasar + 2   
    That's basically what i was seeing: With a fleet of Defenders, it was feeling like I could have gone with a non-Sloane (be it Moff JJ or Thrawn or whomever) to help the shooty-ships and then used the bombers as bombers, maybe with Rhymer (who I haven't really adjusted to since his nerfing). 
    Against an unknown opponent, I very much like the Aces to stay alive and extricate themselves from other squadrons. But I also hoped the simplicity of Defenders would compensate for the the loss of Ace-ability: managing the special abilities and related placement needs of an ensemble of Aces is a lot more fussiness in the gameplay compared to a handful of identical Defenders.
     
    Raider Lifeboat: I've got two Raiders and want to love them, but their effective use still eludes me. Similarly the Arquiten. That's a separate thread. 
     
    I want to play more Sloane; I really enjoy chewing on big ships with little squadrons. But I'm starting to feel that maybe I missed Sloane before I hardly got started with her, because of the Flotilla-tabling FAQ revision.
    I confess to often building fleets around wanting to fly a ship versus trying to find the optimal fleet. I bought these toys and I want to play with them. It sort of offends my sensibility that the Quasar might be relegated to the bottom of the toy box because of FFG's struggles with game balance. 
     
    But helpful recommendations thoughts. I now want to look at a Sloane revision with Aces and swapping the flotillas for a Raider or Arquiten. I liked using the Quasar with Boosted Comms, but I should re-examine using the ISD as squadron pusher.
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    ShoutingMan reacted to Green Knight in My first 400pt Sloane: Cymoon Sloane Aces + Quasar + 2   
    If u can guarantee no enemy squads, I'd rather do heavy bomber Thrawn ?
    Defenders are ok, but after 50+ games with Sloane I'm solidly in the scatter aces camp.
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    ShoutingMan reacted to The Jabbawookie in My first 400pt Sloane: Cymoon Sloane Aces + Quasar + 2   
    Scatter matters; it keeps aces alive about as well in most squadless circumstances.  The defender has slightly higher average damage, but doesn’t really do much more to ships.  If you’re in a meta where you often face squadless foes, try squeezing in a Phantom or two.  They’re fragile, but the best “bomber” (in role, not keyword) Sloane has and man are they fun.
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from The Jabbawookie in Sloane vs Madine - a short report   
    After several months of detente in the Republic, conflict has broken out again ... which is to say that after several months of summer distractions, I'm getting back to Armada.  
     
    I flew squad-heavy Sloane:
    https://armada.ryankingston.com/fleet/28814/
    @racknut flew Big-ships Madine:
    https://armada.ryankingston.com/fleet/28673/
     
    The photo shows the end of round two. My Quasar had finally gotten into the action and chewed off shields on the top MC75 over round 2 and three. But the Rebel had his big ships converged onto my ISD.
    At the start of round three, the ISD had a brilliant roll (show below) that killed that top MC75. But due to the GR75 position, the ISD could not navigate out at speed 2. The flotilla took a card and the ISD moved forward at speed 1. The remaining two big ships rolled and stripped the shields from the side, top and bottom, and put on seven cards of hull damage. The Quasar used a squad and front arc to kill the GR75 and moved at speed three, almost vertical and ahead of the ISD.
    Round four the ISD launched a feeble side attack on the remaining MC75. But the Quasar had moved in too close and the ISD could not move out at speed two or three. It moved up at speed one, taking a card. The MC75 rolled a ridonkulous group of dice and the the ISD was dead. That MC75 flew onto the station.
    Round five, The Gozantis I'd prepped with squadron commands and they put some squadrons onto the second MC75. The Quasar still had reach to several Defenders and it chewed on the MC75 and taking it down. However, its final vector was too vertical, and it couldn't stay on the board. It was lost. And I was tabled, having only squads and flotillas remaining to my opponents remaining MC80.


     
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from LTD in Sloane vs Madine - a short report   
    Some additional comments:
    I won the bid at 393 vs 400 points. I chose first player, wanting first move to have the choice of Squadrons or ISD attack to start. Also being out activated, I didn't want to give my opponent last-first attack opportunities with four big ships. I selected Solar Corona for the Objective, as I was not depending on accuracy generation for my game, and the other two objectives were too obviously dangerous.
     
    While Solar Corona per se wasn't bad, what killed me was having to deploy first. I was too spread out with the Quasar and Goz BCC on my far right; he then put his ships all on my left (his right) to threaten my ISD, and keeping them away from the squads. I lost at least a full turn of Sloane attacks just getting Q and Squads into position. 
    Additionally, I meant to fly 6 Defenders total. Then I realized I only have four total in my kit, so I swapped out for Ciena and Valen. On this fleet, those two extra Defenders would have helped.
    Overall, I like the bomber heavy fleet. It requires a level of deployment and fleet-flying coordination that is still somewhat outside my skills. Because I rolled all hits/crits with my squads, I basically didn't get any value out of Sloane this game. BCC + Defenders alone is pretty potent if I could keep the squads in range. 
    I tried Squall for the first time over Pursuant. I got some value out of that extra push in correcting for my deployment problems, and didn't really miss Pursuant, which has been my go-to Quasar title.
     
    Positiong keep me from getting use out of Leading Shots on the ISD. First attack was Long range, so all red dice. And they were 3/5 blanks (sigh). Then the close range shot was so good I didn't need my Concentrate Fire command or Leading Shots to modify. After that, I was out of position and couldn't get Leading Shots use. That's where Solar Corona hurt me, was tossing a blue die that could have help slightly with Leading Shots.
     
    I think flying an ISD against a Madine Fleet, I need to stack it with Navigate Commands rather than Concentrate Fire or even Engineering (late game).
    I needed to change my deployment to allow for any possible deployment from the opponent.
     

     
    @racknut had an interesting and different flew, and he flew it well. It was good to fly my new experiments with Sloane against a fleet that takes the opposite design philosophy (big ships, no squads).  It was a fun game. I flew about as well as I can, and made smart choices. There were some tactical decisions that should have been different in hindsight, but that's a chance to learn. I now have internalized the "tabling" ruling from the last FAQ; I didn't realize what that meant and why it mattered. But mostly I left thinking it's possible defeat a big-ships  fleet with Sloane: not easily, but it's not hopeless.
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from CommanderDave in Sloane vs Madine - a short report   
    Some additional comments:
    I won the bid at 393 vs 400 points. I chose first player, wanting first move to have the choice of Squadrons or ISD attack to start. Also being out activated, I didn't want to give my opponent last-first attack opportunities with four big ships. I selected Solar Corona for the Objective, as I was not depending on accuracy generation for my game, and the other two objectives were too obviously dangerous.
     
    While Solar Corona per se wasn't bad, what killed me was having to deploy first. I was too spread out with the Quasar and Goz BCC on my far right; he then put his ships all on my left (his right) to threaten my ISD, and keeping them away from the squads. I lost at least a full turn of Sloane attacks just getting Q and Squads into position. 
    Additionally, I meant to fly 6 Defenders total. Then I realized I only have four total in my kit, so I swapped out for Ciena and Valen. On this fleet, those two extra Defenders would have helped.
    Overall, I like the bomber heavy fleet. It requires a level of deployment and fleet-flying coordination that is still somewhat outside my skills. Because I rolled all hits/crits with my squads, I basically didn't get any value out of Sloane this game. BCC + Defenders alone is pretty potent if I could keep the squads in range. 
    I tried Squall for the first time over Pursuant. I got some value out of that extra push in correcting for my deployment problems, and didn't really miss Pursuant, which has been my go-to Quasar title.
     
    Positiong keep me from getting use out of Leading Shots on the ISD. First attack was Long range, so all red dice. And they were 3/5 blanks (sigh). Then the close range shot was so good I didn't need my Concentrate Fire command or Leading Shots to modify. After that, I was out of position and couldn't get Leading Shots use. That's where Solar Corona hurt me, was tossing a blue die that could have help slightly with Leading Shots.
     
    I think flying an ISD against a Madine Fleet, I need to stack it with Navigate Commands rather than Concentrate Fire or even Engineering (late game).
    I needed to change my deployment to allow for any possible deployment from the opponent.
     

     
    @racknut had an interesting and different flew, and he flew it well. It was good to fly my new experiments with Sloane against a fleet that takes the opposite design philosophy (big ships, no squads).  It was a fun game. I flew about as well as I can, and made smart choices. There were some tactical decisions that should have been different in hindsight, but that's a chance to learn. I now have internalized the "tabling" ruling from the last FAQ; I didn't realize what that meant and why it mattered. But mostly I left thinking it's possible defeat a big-ships  fleet with Sloane: not easily, but it's not hopeless.
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from racknut in Sloane vs Madine - a short report   
    After several months of detente in the Republic, conflict has broken out again ... which is to say that after several months of summer distractions, I'm getting back to Armada.  
     
    I flew squad-heavy Sloane:
    https://armada.ryankingston.com/fleet/28814/
    @racknut flew Big-ships Madine:
    https://armada.ryankingston.com/fleet/28673/
     
    The photo shows the end of round two. My Quasar had finally gotten into the action and chewed off shields on the top MC75 over round 2 and three. But the Rebel had his big ships converged onto my ISD.
    At the start of round three, the ISD had a brilliant roll (show below) that killed that top MC75. But due to the GR75 position, the ISD could not navigate out at speed 2. The flotilla took a card and the ISD moved forward at speed 1. The remaining two big ships rolled and stripped the shields from the side, top and bottom, and put on seven cards of hull damage. The Quasar used a squad and front arc to kill the GR75 and moved at speed three, almost vertical and ahead of the ISD.
    Round four the ISD launched a feeble side attack on the remaining MC75. But the Quasar had moved in too close and the ISD could not move out at speed two or three. It moved up at speed one, taking a card. The MC75 rolled a ridonkulous group of dice and the the ISD was dead. That MC75 flew onto the station.
    Round five, The Gozantis I'd prepped with squadron commands and they put some squadrons onto the second MC75. The Quasar still had reach to several Defenders and it chewed on the MC75 and taking it down. However, its final vector was too vertical, and it couldn't stay on the board. It was lost. And I was tabled, having only squads and flotillas remaining to my opponents remaining MC80.


     
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from racknut in Sloane vs Madine - a short report   
    Some additional comments:
    I won the bid at 393 vs 400 points. I chose first player, wanting first move to have the choice of Squadrons or ISD attack to start. Also being out activated, I didn't want to give my opponent last-first attack opportunities with four big ships. I selected Solar Corona for the Objective, as I was not depending on accuracy generation for my game, and the other two objectives were too obviously dangerous.
     
    While Solar Corona per se wasn't bad, what killed me was having to deploy first. I was too spread out with the Quasar and Goz BCC on my far right; he then put his ships all on my left (his right) to threaten my ISD, and keeping them away from the squads. I lost at least a full turn of Sloane attacks just getting Q and Squads into position. 
    Additionally, I meant to fly 6 Defenders total. Then I realized I only have four total in my kit, so I swapped out for Ciena and Valen. On this fleet, those two extra Defenders would have helped.
    Overall, I like the bomber heavy fleet. It requires a level of deployment and fleet-flying coordination that is still somewhat outside my skills. Because I rolled all hits/crits with my squads, I basically didn't get any value out of Sloane this game. BCC + Defenders alone is pretty potent if I could keep the squads in range. 
    I tried Squall for the first time over Pursuant. I got some value out of that extra push in correcting for my deployment problems, and didn't really miss Pursuant, which has been my go-to Quasar title.
     
    Positiong keep me from getting use out of Leading Shots on the ISD. First attack was Long range, so all red dice. And they were 3/5 blanks (sigh). Then the close range shot was so good I didn't need my Concentrate Fire command or Leading Shots to modify. After that, I was out of position and couldn't get Leading Shots use. That's where Solar Corona hurt me, was tossing a blue die that could have help slightly with Leading Shots.
     
    I think flying an ISD against a Madine Fleet, I need to stack it with Navigate Commands rather than Concentrate Fire or even Engineering (late game).
    I needed to change my deployment to allow for any possible deployment from the opponent.
     

     
    @racknut had an interesting and different flew, and he flew it well. It was good to fly my new experiments with Sloane against a fleet that takes the opposite design philosophy (big ships, no squads).  It was a fun game. I flew about as well as I can, and made smart choices. There were some tactical decisions that should have been different in hindsight, but that's a chance to learn. I now have internalized the "tabling" ruling from the last FAQ; I didn't realize what that meant and why it mattered. But mostly I left thinking it's possible defeat a big-ships  fleet with Sloane: not easily, but it's not hopeless.
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from The Jabbawookie in My first 400pt Sloane: Cymoon Sloane Aces + Quasar + 2   
    I revised the fleet per suggestions, tweaked the support ships, and changed out the squadrons to try an experiment I've been wondering about. 
    https://armada.ryankingston.com/fleet/28139/
    Name: ISDII Sloane Defenders + Quasar + 2
    Faction: Imperial
    Commander: Admiral Sloane
    Assault: Advanced Gunnery
    Defense: Planetary Ion Cannon
    Navigation: Superior Positions
    Imperial II (120)
    • Admiral Sloane (24)
    • Electronic Countermeasures (7)
    • Leading Shots (4)
    • Avenger (5)
    = 160 Points
    Quasar Fire I (54)
    • Taskmaster Grint (5)
    • Boosted Comms (4)
    • Pursuant (2)
    = 65 Points
    Gozanti Cruisers (23)
    • Bomber Command Center (8)
    = 31 Points
    Gozanti Cruisers (23)
    • Comms Net (2)
    = 25 Points
    Squadrons:
    • JumpMaster 5000 (12)
    • Maarek Stele (21)
    • 5 x TIE Defender Squadron (80)
    = 113 Points
    Total Points: 394
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    ShoutingMan reacted to racknut in My first 400pt Sloane: Cymoon Sloane Aces + Quasar + 2   
    That's what I said after the game also. LOL!
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    ShoutingMan got a reaction from The Jabbawookie in My first 400pt Sloane: Cymoon Sloane Aces + Quasar + 2   
    Thanks for the tips. I need to think through it and see how it looks.
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    ShoutingMan reacted to The Jabbawookie in My first 400pt Sloane: Cymoon Sloane Aces + Quasar + 2   
    The Decimator is slow, heavy and completely unaffected by Sloane.  Swap it for Jendon: he's basically a second Maarek Stele and gives relay support to boot.  Expanded Hangar Bays isn't needed; you have more than enough total squadron value with the Gozantis.  At least one should push squads if needed.  Accuracy generation tech (H9s, HTTs)  with Sloane is inefficient; the whole reason she's there is to burn through your opponent's defense tokens.  The 25 points saved currently would be well spent towards Tua, ECM and any form of dice control for the Cymoon ( probably IF! or DTT)  or a straight upgrade to an ISD-2 with access to Leading Shots and ECM.  Lastly and most importantly, Avenger.   Always Avenger.  There's no competition for a different title under Sloane, it halves the amount of work you need to do and makes her reliable against ships.  A non-Avenger Sloane ISD is

    Good luck with the fleet, hope this helps. ?
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