Yeah that's why Runebound and Runewars failed.

It's better than Shoulderpads Mclantern. Not hero focused which is a real change and surprisingly not busy which is also a departure.
 
Erm.....just got a good look at the side. That looks weirdly low quality

On Wednesday, I published a new version of the D2e Card Viewer 2.9.0.  For this version, I have added errata cards for all of the missing cards that show errata (both official and community errata) that exists within the CRRG.
I would like to thank @Dadler93 for pointing out the missing cards.
EDIT: In addition, I added the Turn Summary cards (for both the player and the overlord) to the test page.

Nooo....I mean sure yes.....but no.....

You can have all those (except the music) without an app. Descent 1e did. Those features don't tend to pair well with super competitive overlords, but I think the best fix there is just not to play the game with super competitive overlords.
 
That said there's nothing Gloomhaven does that an app can't, really you can do a ton more with an app than a deck of cards...if they're willing to put the effort in.
 

Sure a bunch of overlords do, but your average player I don't think does. Even watching FFG's livestream of the people who designed Lost Legends playing Road to Legend, they clearly did not have things memorized the way hardcore fans here do.
No, It really kind of is. 1e had a single type of monster to fill a particular niche and that works well. But 2e we already had all those monsters, so we end up with the B list of monsters. Take LoR, we're fighting the spider queen so FFG *should* be selling us bane spiders, but by supporting 1e plastic they can't.
So we end up with a weird knock off bane spider and in a heavily tactical game against a human player that works fine. They can fiddle with it to make it different-ish. But in an app where that plastic gets reduced to theme and some flavor text it stops working. Three versions of the same monster are not going to be particularly appealing to their general audience.
This is something a standalone game can just plain do better than one that's stuck selling you the ethnic knockoffs of the monsters they actually wanted to include. It's an issue reviews often comment on since the very first big expansion for Mansions of Madness 2e.
Gloomhaven is a stand alone game, if FFG did a standalone Descent Legacy and were remotely as unmiserly about the contents and the content they would absolutely have a hit.
But I just don't think Financing Fight Games has that in them. I expect every penny to be pinched and the game to be riddled with weird comity compromises that made no one happy. And I don't think that will compete well in an arena where Frosthaven and Jaws of the Lion are the new hotness.

Yes and no, Runebound 3e plus the conversion kit let me add heroes with updated sculpts to Descent 2e.
I think starting 3e with the 12 missing heroes could go a long way toward placating some of their more hardcore fans.

Even with the app? Sure there are a bunch of overlords who have horded monsters with minor ability differences to gain an advantage on their players. But to a lot of players (maybe even most) a bunch of the monsters end up feeling pretty darn similar.
Once you take the cards away does the average player detect a difference between Giants, Ettins, Trolls, Ogres, and whatever they pick to fill the same niche in 3e?
Sure a savvy tactical player can read the difference between say sweep and backswing and plan accordingly but when we're fighting a mindless automaton and those differences are hidden behind an app wall...who even notices?
 
It's a problem that Mansions of Madness 2e started running into fairly early in the games expansions:
 
 

Curse of the monkey god used to replace your mini with a monkey token back in 1e.

Curse of the monkey god used to replace your mini with a monkey token back in 1e.

When FFG kills a game people stop wanting to learn it and the people who played it end up moving on.

Curse of the monkey god used to replace your mini with a monkey token back in 1e.

Curse of the monkey god used to replace your mini with a monkey token back in 1e.

Jaws of the Wolf ... 😅

You can use the heroes from Jaws of the Lion, but that's it. It doesn't integrate as an expansion to any significant extent.
Also it will almost certainly be 3rd edition. The game will be at least 9 years old by the time Legends of the Dark would be released and the game is definitely showing it's age. Plastics gotten a bunch bigger and better, a lot of the mini's don't even fit in the spaces anymore. Trying to make all groups equivalent is a mess. The tacked on threat system is a mess. Imperial Assaults threat system fixes both those problems SOOO well. 
I mean sure they could do a one off thing but that's not Financial Fight Games' $$$MO$$$ especially where they're trying to drum up publicity with books. They will want to sabotage their existing product line and fan base in order to release something completely different under the same name so they can keep doing expansions for years.

Yes and no, Runebound 3e plus the conversion kit let me add heroes with updated sculpts to Descent 2e.
I think starting 3e with the 12 missing heroes could go a long way toward placating some of their more hardcore fans.

Runebound and Runewars were dead on arrival, they're still canning Genesys right?
So if they misread the amount of work to price ratio as badly as they have been and flub descent.....
 

All of my friends who bought 1st edition never bought 2nd. I don't think the average consumer keeps buying new versions of the same game. I think new editions of a game are about updating a game so that it's competitive in the current market to appeal to a new generation.
If a games been out, say 10 years it makes a lot of sense that something like that would need to happen and that a NEW generation would in fact be there to buy it. The problem I think FFG may run into is that RtL is for all intents and purposes a new game which has already taken that new fanbase. Is there already ANOTHER new generation to sell to?
 

That reminds me, Queen Ariad made an appearance in 1e RtL.
https://www.descentinthedark.com/_t_/the_spider_queen.php
Also she's got a kid and he's pretty messed up.
https://www.descentinthedark.com/_s_/slaggorrath.php

Fun fact Descent 1st edition actually had a stomach tile. Ice Wyrms could swallow a hero alive, in which case they would be placed on the stomach tile and continue their fight from the inside. https://www.descentinthedark.com/_s_/swallow.php

Fun fact Descent 1st edition actually had a stomach tile. Ice Wyrms could swallow a hero alive, in which case they would be placed on the stomach tile and continue their fight from the inside. https://www.descentinthedark.com/_s_/swallow.php

Runebound and Runewars were dead on arrival, they're still canning Genesys right?
So if they misread the amount of work to price ratio as badly as they have been and flub descent.....
 

Looks like things are off to a good start. 😅
 

Well, my guess is app enhanced full coop. It's been working for them and a criticism of gloomhaven is that the monster system is cumbersome so it makes sense they'd play to their strengths. Ergo it would be fairly trivial to import things, but that's a lot of monsters and heroes at this point. The games downright cumbersome if you have everything right now, imagine if you keep that snowball rolling.

If you sand the inserts' edges, the arms are much more removeable. They don't fall off but at least you can insert them all the way without showing a gap and the slide in - an - out easier.
I detach my rancor's arms and put them in a 3.5 -4 inch foam with my ATST and ATRT and Bantha (heads and rider come off the vehicles and bantha.