Meanwhile, though, the iconography appears to be a T-65, rather than a T-70, so who knows. Sounds post-RotS to me, too, but everything is pretty vague at the moment.

You don’t “need” to (as was previously pointed out - where were the multiple Ocean’s 11 lead-up movies to introduce the 11 members of the team?), but if you’re wanting them to also be semi-independent characters anchoring their own sub-franchises, it can be helpful. At the same time, it’s possible to spin them off after introducing them like WB did. From my perspective, they just didn’t do that great of a job doing so. One of the characters is largely overshadowed by a concurrent tv presentation; one remains a cypher (except for another concurrent tv presentation that’s part of a completely different sort of team dynamic), and the last met some success due largely to the charisma (and appearance) of the actor. Then there’s the Trinity, that meet the cliche of needing no introduction. Among other things, she directed Monster, for which Charlize Theron won a Best Actress Oscar, and the two Wonder Woman movies (the first of which was her most commercial success to date). I tried watching that one, but only made it an hour in, so that’s my only exposure to her work.

The official release says, "The next Star Wars feature film will be Rogue Squadron — directed by Patty Jenkins (Wonder Woman franchise). The story will introduce a new generation of starfighter pilots as they earn their wings and risk their lives in a boundary-pushing, high-speed thrill-ride, and move the saga into the future era of the galaxy." Some are concluding that the term "future era of the galaxy" means post-Endor, some concluding post-Exegol, others interpreting it as "the future direction of the franchise," and a few other readings.

And I think you missed my point that the corporate environments they were made in, including how those corporations shaped production of their properties has the potential to provide insight into how similar forces could shape this one given a director who's worked in those environments. For example: A complaint about the "Disney era" Star Wars franchise has been the lack of "a plan." Many leveling this complaint point to the MCU as the "proper" way to construct a franchise, by having "a plan." The DC franchise is similarly accused of lacking "a plan." Jenkins left Thor: The Dark World early on, claiming the level of Marvel Studios imposition of "the plan." (This even led to Natalie Portman openly complaining about Jenkins' departure, and choosing not to participate in what would become Thor: Ragnarok.) Another complaint leveled at "Disney-era" Star Wars is that the productions allegedly ignore established characterization. This is a complaint also leveled against the DC franchise. Jenkins' biggest commercial success to date is from a franchise said to have no "plan," and which ignores long-established characterization. Meanwhile, a fan base that apparently demands "a plan" and adherence to established characterization is thrilled that she'll be directing the next feature in a franchise they claim should include these elements.

You're welcome to. But, even in comics, he wasn't one of Marvel's top characters prior to the movie's success. Because Rogue Squadron's director has now directed two DC movies (one of which will see release in 2 weeks), and was originally scheduled to be the director of a Marvel movie, so her existing body of work can be used to determine whether or not one might enjoy Rogue Squadron? And the larger subject of the circumstances of the franchise(s) she's worked in can inform the discussion of whether the reaction to those works was due more to their overall content or the director's work more specifically. ETA: Plus...it's three years away. All we know about it is the director. Not much to discuss about the movie itself just yet.

He is now, thanks to the movies. Prior to 2008, not so much.

I'll admit...I've indulged in my share of back-and-forth with Tramp. I've even knowingly tweaked some of his buttons to provoke a response. But these two are next level.

That's...exactly why you can (resisting Patented Hobo Images Emphasis) if the characters are A-listers...if they're Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, or equivalent. Most people know them well enough to dive straight into teaming them up*. With the possible exceptions of Hulk and Captain America, the Marvel characters that made up the initial Avengers roster were B-listers, at best (because Marvel's marquee characters were licensed to other studios). But, half of the League weren't A-listers (a point that may have gotten buried or omitted in my earlier post). *One of the other problems, though, is that what the general audience knows about those A-listers was tossed out the window in the franchise's current iteration.

Oh, you can jump straight to Justice League...if your team is all A-list. If, like Marvel, most of your team is B or C list, it helps to get the audience invested. But, the only solo (or semi-solo) movies WB did before JL were...the A-listers that people already know (despite being twisted and contorted beyond recognition).

Even worse...they were so intent on showing they were Notmarvel, that they chose to actively ignore what made DC’s characters and setting so unique and enduring.

It can certainly fit. Once armor and additional weapons were added in the 1986 reboot, they were largely ceremonial for Diana, and when (sparingly) used, were used to demonstrate, “Oh, this is a big deal!” I think it was around the time the “golden eagle” armor was introduced in Kingdom Come that the armor and weapons started being used more commonly. Then once she snapped Max Lord’s neck, the character suddenly became a cold-blooded killer as a matter of course. I’ve fallen far out of the habit of following her book. Rather than warming to it, it’s turned me off of the character. But then, as noted earlier, DC currently seems bound and determined to make the grim ‘n gritty phase of the 90s look like the Super Friends.

I was admittedly predisposed to dislike the movie, given my reaction to previous entries in the franchise as well as the “hack-and-slash” approach to the character. A part of my problem with the scene stems from not even trying to watch it until it was on cable, so for months I heard little but what a positive, empowering portrayal of a powerful woman that it provided. If she’d looked at the revolving door just like a design she hadn’t seen...eh. Instead, though, because it was a design she hadn’t seen, she apparently lost the ability to judge that her sword held a particular way wouldn’t fit (and now, upon seeing the scene again in the clip above, that watching others use it still left her confused on how it worked). To me, it was at odds with everything I’d heard about the movie’s portrayal of the character, and just plain reached a saturation point that confirmed the movie just wasn’t for me. Others liked it. A lot of others. I’m glad for (and almost envious of) them. More power to them. Bringing it back full circle, it’s my only exposure to Jenkins’ work, and - based upon my reaction to it - is likely to be my only exposure to it until December 2023. I’m crossing my fingers that my reaction was to the material, not her direction.

They've tweeted about projects that were already in the pipeline before the transition, such as Midnight (for d20) and Legends of the Five Rings supplements. They haven't made an official announcement about, say, the next Genesys setting book, either (even if Sam very strongly hinted about Twilight Imperium). As noted in one of your cross-posts, when contacted by the hosts of the Order 66 and The Forge podcasts right after the transition announcement was made, Edge asked them to "give (Edge) the year." This would have been before the pandemic shutdown delaying Edge's ramp-up. If we factor in the requirement of LFL approval for future releases, the history of not announcing new product (particularly Star Wars RPG product) until it's at a certain point in the development process, and having to set up a full RPG group in pandemic conditions, I wouldn't expect any announcements for this game until sometime into 2021.

Revolving door, which she had trouble using because she apparently couldn't discern that holding her sword horizontally would make it too wide for her to pass. Part of why I remember it so well is that's the point that I'd had enough and turned it off. I'd say the average person wouldn't recognize the BvS take as Wonder Woman/Diana at all based on behavior alone. Snyder had a hand in the solo movie's crafting, and Jenkins didn't do all that much to distance her portrayal from his...she was still a sword-wielding killing machine. So, I'm not starting out all that optimistic for the Rogue Squadron movie, but we've got three years...who knows what we'll see by then.

No news. Plenty of online speculation that the reason there’s no news is that it is indeed the rumored Cara Dune show, but LFL doesn’t want to be loud about that with some of the fan base no longer behind her due to the last few months of her online activity.

Yeah, I know they’ve been leaning into it in recent years. (I love George Pérez’s run, but in hindsight, I wish he’d never given her the armor and additional weapons; too many writers have used it as a crutch since then.) The general public, necessary for a successful blockbuster, however, doesn’t know that DC has transformed her into a cold-blooded killer. Jenkins (and Snyder), when presented with the opportunity to bring one of the most recognizable comics characters back into live action for the first time in decades, chose to lean into the (relatively speaking) more obscure take rather than what the average person expects from Diana. And her becoming an idiot about doors is all on Jenkins.

Well, I mean we are talking about a movie by a director who turned a character so devoted to peace that she's willing to fight for it armed only with a tool of restraint and truth into a sword-wielding hack-and-slash barbarian who loses the ability to judge spatial relationships when presented with a door design she's unfamiliar with. But, the public ate it up. So...who knows.

Yeah, at first I'd thought T-70 (specifically because of that negative space issue) but looking closer and comparing images as I was typing that very reply, I though, "Nah...looks just a smidge more like T-65 engines."

They haven't said specifically, but the X-wing silhouette in the teaser logo looks a little more like a T-65 than a T-70 to me...which doesn't necessarily mean anything, since we know T-65s are still in use up to 5 years after the Battle of Endor.

If they follow what they did on Rogue One, he’ll be on set for mocap, as well.

I believe I had to turn in my “80s teenager” credentials because seeing Top Gun once was more than enough for me.

Considering it’s not a series, how do you feel about a feature film? 😏

I think I’m the only person on the planet not doing cartwheels about this announcement. Rogue Squadron is great, but the only project of Patty Jenkins’ I’ve even tried watching, I turned off about an hour in. And it was near-universally loved. So, I’m spending the next 3 years hoping that reaction was to the material, not to her as a director.

Oh, I’m sure it’s something like that, since he was announced as part of the show way back. At the same time, it seemed odd that they wouldn’t show or even mention a fan favorite actor and character who brings his own loyal viewers with him from other projects.

An idea was put out on the Star Wars Explained aftershow live stream. In the concept art during the closing credits, the pirates (or “pirates”) were human, but after the roll through the village to refresh us on the Empire’s oppression, the production decision was made to make the pirates some generic alien race so it wouldn’t be quite as obvious and troubling that Mando was mowing through people trying to take their world back in order to get his kid back.