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  1. Yeah, I probably should have quoted the other guy; I was just expanding on your point, not disagreeing.
  2. 8th Brother arrived in an Inquisitor TIE, Vader in his TIE Advanced, 5th Brother and 7th Sister in their TIEs, the Ghost crew in the Phantom. Maul left in 8th's TIE, the Ghost crew takes the Phantom, and Vader leaves in his TIE. This leaves the TIEs 5th and 7th arrived in, meaning Ahsoka could leave whenever she wanted.
  3. I don't disagree that the Force was made to be unknowable, but literal balance is an easily packaged concept. "Take, for instance, a twig and a pillar, or the ugly person and the great beauty, and all the strange and monstrous transformations. These are all levelled together by Tao. Division is the same as creation; creation is the same as destruction. There is no such thing as creation or destruction, for these conditions are again levelled together into One. Only the truly intelligent understand this principle of the levelling of all things into One. They discard the distinctions and take refuge in the common and ordinary things. The common and ordinary things serve certain functions and therefore retain the wholeness of nature. From this wholeness, one comprehends, and from comprehension, one to the Tao. There it stops. To stop without knowing how it stops – this is Tao." Yin yang ties into this as it is a duality of contrary forces working in unity. Destruction bares the foundation for creation, creation provides the target for destruction. To limit it: two names for change; a crucible forcing adaptation and growth. In the PT the light side reigns as the Republic (originally) is a beacon of peace and prosperity, but evil festers as greed and corruption, embodied by the corporations of the Separatists. The Clone Wars erupt and slowly transforms it into the Empire. Eventually the dark side reigns as the Empire is a bastion of tyranny and ruthless ambition, but good endures as the Rebellion, which eventually overthrows the Empire (mostly without Luke's help). Then the First Order and Starkiller Base happen. Even without the Force-users, the cyclical nature exists in the actions of the ordinary folk (the Force surrounds and binds all living things after all). The Mortis balance philosophy means that you get the Kylo/Rey deal: for every darksider there must be a lightsider of equal Force strength or one side has more power to affect things it's way. Problem is in the nature of the two sides: the light side is selfless while the dark side is selfish (and seductive and corrupting). Eventually the two will clash as the darksider will desire more and more power over others to keep what he has, while the lightsider will fight to maintain the freedom of others. Expand it beyond two people - let's say a thousand on each side - and the result is war. Constant war, since to prevent imbalance if one side kills too many of the other the lesser side will have it's members either replenished or grow more powerful until the numbers are equalized, to mention two solutions. Actually, thinking about it, the Mortis balance is probably best applied to the ordinary folks. There are good and evil people on both sides of the conflict - most Imperials aren't monsters and few Rebels are angels (even if they're only striking military targets, they're terrorists). Huh, I have something else to consider in how I view the Force. Thank you.
  4. Yeah, I keep forgetting that. Still, from earlier things Lucas has said, from things characters have said in earlier works, and from parallels between the Force and real-world religions I take a more "Taoist" view of the Force. That the balance is cyclical: the light side reigns and there is peace and prosperity, but evil festers, grows, and eventually overpowers. The dark side reigns and there is tyranny and fear, but hope remains, inspires, and brings justice. The light side reigns and the cycle repeats. Mortis and everything that's come after implies that the balance is more literal: an equal amount of dark and light. It just doesn't mesh for me.
  5. Trust me, you're not. Aside from the voices I hated everything Force-y in this episode. I mean seriously, time travel so Ezra can learn a lesson that a vision quest could have fulfilled just as easily? That's pretty silly (convenient it gives a justification for the survival of Filoni's pet character though...). The tie-in with the Mortis gods did nothing but remind me of my severe hate of Filoni's views on the Force and it's balance. Also, the World between Worlds is a massive can of worms I doubt other writers will be able to stay away from, especially since there's apparently a gateway at every Jedi/Sith temple (Lothal, Malachor, and Palpy was still on Coruscant as far as I know). And according to those Topps cards Filoni made a few years back, Ashoka finds the Malachor gateway, so she isn't starving to death on a forgotten rock anytime soon. Honestly, I feel they should have gone more Raiders with it: make the gateway a passage that gives Ezra flow-walking visions while driving the villains insane.
  6. While not explicit, the first 7 seconds give it away. OK, I rescind my argument. Which could have meant anything, but OK let's go with that. Whatever, I'm just getting the same 3 lines repeated at me over and over, so I'm peacing out. Glad ya'll enjoyed the film, here's hoping IX is even better.
  7. Well, I was only 8 when Phantom Menace came out, so I've never seen the trailers for the good ones.
  8. And I can think of a dozen films off the top of my head that were exactly as sold. All the prequels, TFA, and Rogue One, for example. So, I have a film franchise with marketing that has been pretty honest - scenes later deleted or reshot being the exceptions. So why wouldn't I trust the marketing for the next entry? IMO, trailers only lie because of 3 reasons: the marketers completely misread the film, giving it straight would ruin a big twist, or they're trying to sell crap.
  9. Good for you. I however, glimpsed something different. Something with what you saw, but also capital ships in battle with starfighters dogfighting around 'em, with books expanding the lore about ancient Jedi, and a Luke that actually oversees Rey's training. And I only saw that, expected that, because of how the trailers deceptively spliced together different scenes.
  10. *Sigh* I know that, people have been repeating that line to me for 5 days now. My point is how they were framed. Tell me, honestly, when you first saw the trailers did you expect something like the movie we got?
  11. Wow, everyone's jumping on me. That was a joke guys. I know I'm new here, but I thought the smiley would give it away. Nope, not disputing that. Rewatch the trailers for this film. Rey training under Luke, The lore of the Force and the Jedi being expanded, The Resistance struggling against the First Order war machine, Kylo trying to turn Rey. All framed in a way that made it seem like it was following the Star Wars tropes. Only the first teaser gave a clue as to what was to come. In other words, the marketing for TLJ gave the audience their bias, their expectations. And of course they viewed it subjectively; we're talking about feelings. We all are subjective there, even you. For example, I noticed that in your first response to me you never addressed the part of my "review" where I mentioned the stuff I liked. You accused me of missing the point of the film, not managing my expectations, made something that confused me make sense, then mocked me for expecting world-building continuity. This was around the time I was engaged in "discussions" with several other fans of the film on Reddit. They echoed points 1 and 4, with the added bonus of calling me racist, misogynist, crybaby neckbeard, and all the other nerd-bashing I thought was confined to high school. From my point of view, you were just another person hurt that someone else was criticizing something you liked (no disrespect intended; later responses showed me you're just passionate). If you were objective, you would have addressed both the positives and negatives I viewed the movie to have, and in a less inflammatory manner. Again, not bashing on you, just using our discussion as an example. This goes for everyone else too.
  12. Ignoring the bold part, these are my feelings exactly. I dislike alot of what they did, but the message was good and all the arcs tied into it. It was an enjoyable movie, but (just IMO) not an enjoyable Star Wars movie. As for the bold part, my only expectations were what the trailers hinted at, which horribly misrepresent the film. I disagree with your last sentence though. I blame JJ and his stupid mystery boxes. Yeah, how dare people expect the latest entry in a franchise that's pretty formulaic and reverent of it's staples be more of the same!
  13. Didn't need a second viewing of A New Hope to know I liked it. But my cousins took me to see it a second time and, while I still dislike it, I grew to tolerate most of the things I disliked. First viewing had it ranked as my second least favorite film (TPM being below it). Now it's tied with RotS for 5th.
  14. 1) Yeah, I get that. The only part of Rey's character in TFA I didn't like was how she didn't need anybody's help. As for the whole parents mystery box, I didn't care, so her parents being nobodies doesn't bother me. Heck, my personal theory was she was a Jinn, simply cuz the name's recognizable and distant enough from the dynasty to shake things up. I just think that from a writer standpoint, it's kinda a cop-out as tying her to the Skywalkers, Kenobi, Amidalas - basically any recognizable name - would have led to some drama beyond what we got. 2) I didn't miss it, I just disagree. And I'm not missing that experience, btw, I'm living through it right now (option 2b) thank you very much. Look, this is the 20th time I've had to say this around the internet, and all the debates I've gotten in have changed no one's mind, so please just drop it. You have your interpretation of Luke's actions, motivations, and what he learned during the OT and I have mine. You got lucky enough that a Star Wars film writer agreed with yours. Congrats, now please just be happy with that and stop trying to force me to be the same. I tolerated the Phantom Menace, I can tolerate this.
  15. 1) Thank you for telling my what my thoughts for the last few days have been. The wider point of the film was to subvert all the conventions of Star Wars. I got that; I just don't like it. Save it for an Anthology film. 2) I've explained this before, but you probably missed it, so here goes. That it's Rey's story is not the point. Luke in Empire spent his entire training making mistakes and failing. The cave? He gave in to his darker emotions - rage and fear. His vision? He ignored Yoda, ran off into a trap, lost his naivete about his father being a good man, lost a hand, and needed the friends he had gone to rescue to rescue him. And now, come TLJ, he has completely forgotten that his mistakes were what taught him his greatest lessons? Then, Luke in Jedi refused to give up on redeeming Vader, despite everyone telling him it was impossible. He succeeded. Now, come TLJ, the man who refused to give up on his father because he sensed scant good in him considered killing his nephew because he sensed darkness in him? Sorry, but that doesn't flow for me. I had expectations, they were simple - Luke grows to be like prequel-era Obi-Wan. Apparently I'm not pessimistic enough to be a Star Wars film writer though. 3) I got a chance to see a gif of that scene again and I agree with your interpretation. During my viewing the only Star Destroyers I saw beforehand were in front of the Supremacy though, so... 4) HA! If I was complaining about hard science I'd be asking why Star Wars wasn't more like The Expanse. I operate under the rule of "Like reality unless noted". All previous films had the lasers fly straight. Falling bombs weren't a problem because that's how they worked in Empire, however, if you rewatch all the previous films you'll notice a glowy strip on ships/Death Stars around the exit to space. That's a generator to a semi-permeable force-field to maintain atmosphere. The bays in the bombers lacked it, which meant that everyone in those ships should have suffocated as the atmosphere was vented into space. Sound in space is simply a convention of the medium. Ever seen 2001? Lots of silent space parts and they. Are. Boring! This is an adventure series, so silence during battle sequences would be counterproductive.So it's not hard science, just consistent "science".
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