I've been watching this thread with great interest and have been trying to come up with some solutions. Honestly, it aggravates me to no end that one faction can spend 120ish points and roll over me unless I specifically prep for it and I think it points to what's become very OP squad combos on the Imperial side. It unduly affects how I can build fleets and the strategies I can employ, because now I have to sink at least 70ish points just to have a chance at delay/counter. It limits competitive experimentation. Having got that out of my system, I should say that I'm going to continue to look for those other options, but I resent the feeling of being railroaded in list building. Anyway, here's some ideas that are sort of an amalgam of what I've seen in the thread. I could use some help on objectives and the build. There is an alternate version replaces the named squads for 5 generic A's and keeps the same capital ship set up. Wave 2 Rhymer Counter Faction: Rebel Alliance Points: 398/400 Commander: Admiral Ackbar Assault Objective: Advanced Gunnery Defense Objective: Fire Lanes Navigation Objective: Dangerous Territory [ flagship ] Assault Frigate Mark II A (81 points) - Admiral Ackbar ( 38 points) - Gunnery Team ( 7 points) - Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points) - XI7 Turbolasers ( 6 points) Assault Frigate Mark II A (81 points) - Gunnery Team ( 7 points) - Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points) - XI7 Turbolasers ( 6 points) Assault Frigate Mark II A (81 points) - Gunnery Team ( 7 points) - Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points) - XI7 Turbolasers ( 6 points) 1 "Dutch" Vander ( 16 points) 1 Jan Ors ( 19 points) 2 A-Wing Squadrons ( 22 points) Fleet created with Armada Warlords -------------/------------- It breaks my heart to drop Ackbar and X17's, but this offers a more robust AS layout. Wave 2 Rhymer Counter v3 Faction: Rebel Alliance Points: 397/400 Commander: Garm Bel Iblis Assault Objective: Advanced Gunnery Defense Objective: Fire Lanes Navigation Objective: Dangerous Territory [ flagship ] Assault Frigate Mark II A (81 points) - Garm Bel Iblis ( 25 points) - Gunnery Team ( 7 points) - Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points) Assault Frigate Mark II A (81 points) - Gunnery Team ( 7 points) - Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points) Assault Frigate Mark II A (81 points) - Gunnery Team ( 7 points) - Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points) 1 "Dutch" Vander ( 16 points) 1 Jan Ors ( 19 points) 4 X-Wing Squadrons ( 52 points) Fleet created with Armada Warlords

also, then they wouldn't be Dodonna's Raiders.

I thought about MM, but I almost got trounced feeling the full Dodonna Effect the other night. The shrimp and Pride combo is crazy as the cards just pile up.

Looking for thoughts here. I'm wary of a 2 fighter screen. If I drop the CR90A, that'd give me 77 pts for a healthier screen. Maybe add Leading Shots to the Pride? Faction: Rebel Alliance Points: 396/400 Commander: General Dodonna Assault Objective: Most Wanted Defense Objective: Fire Lanes Navigation Objective: Dangerous Territory [ flagship ] Assault Frigate Mark II B (72 points) - General Dodonna ( 20 points) - Gunnery Team ( 7 points) - Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points) - XI7 Turbolasers ( 6 points) CR90 Corvette B (39 points) - Dodonnas Pride ( 6 points) MC30c Scout Frigate (69 points) - Foresight ( 8 points) - Ordnance Experts ( 4 points) - Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points) MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points) - Admonition ( 8 points) - Ordnance Experts ( 4 points) - Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points) CR90 Corvette A (44 points) - Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points) 2 A-Wing Squadrons ( 22 points) Fleet created with Armada Warlords

That's a good point. There was a thread elsewhere that explained how Admonition works, and it finally made some tactical sense to me. So, yes, I think I'll swap out the titles. Also, in terms of deployment, I was thinking of a line abreast formation towards the back of the zone, for the purpose of disguising basic direction. On round 1, move the CR90s forward, and turn the MC80 and 30 90 sharply after the opponent commits to movement.

I think it's definitely worth putting EA on the CR90s. Speed 4 throwing out 4 red at long range in tandem? Yes, please. That's a feint/screen you cannot ignore.

So, I've run a conga, I'm sure I will again, but man, it is boring. And predictable. I really want to find that nimble fleet that can deploy with some obfuscation in mind. CR90s to screen and wreak high speed havoc. The MC30 to escort the MC80 and hopefully intercept any Glad rushers. There are some variants, but this is the basic build: Ackbar MC80/MC30/2 CR90s w/ screen (BID) Faction: Rebel Alliance Points: 392/400 Commander: Admiral Ackbar Assault Objective: Advanced Gunnery Defense Objective: Hyperspace Assault Navigation Objective: Dangerous Territory [ flagship ] MC80 Command Cruiser (106 points) - Admiral Ackbar ( 38 points) - Home One ( 7 points) - Engine Techs ( 8 points) - Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points) MC30c Scout Frigate (69 points) - Foresight ( 8 points) - Ordnance Experts ( 4 points) - Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points) CR90 Corvette A (44 points) - Enhanced Armament ( 10 points) CR90 Corvette A (44 points) - Enhanced Armament ( 10 points) 2 YT-2400s ( 32 points) Fleet created with Armada Warlords The variants include using the bid spread to throw in Phylon's and Jaina's Light to make it a 400 pt build. Or I could leave as is and swap a generic YT for Dash and be back at 400. Either way it's a cursory screen, but one that doesn't involve squadron commands. That frees up spamming maneuver for a few round with the MC 80. Thoughts?

I just put together something very similar, which I think makes the most of Ackbar on a swarm. I'm very excited about running it. Swarm Faction: Rebel Alliance Points: 399/400 Commander: Admiral Ackbar Assault Objective: Most Wanted Defense Objective: Fleet Ambush Navigation Objective: Dangerous Territory [ flagship ] CR90 Corvette A (44 points) - Admiral Ackbar ( 38 points) - Jainas Light ( 2 points) - Enhanced Armament ( 10 points) CR90 Corvette A (44 points) - Enhanced Armament ( 10 points) CR90 Corvette A (44 points) - Enhanced Armament ( 10 points) MC30c Scout Frigate (69 points) - Foresight ( 8 points) - Ordnance Experts ( 4 points) - Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points) MC30c Scout Frigate (69 points) - Ordnance Experts ( 4 points) - Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points) 3 A-Wing Squadrons ( 33 points) Fleet created with Armada Warlords

This is a great build. I hope I get to fly against it. I've pondered a counter which, I think, ends up being a decent all around fleet. Counter Faction: Rebel Alliance Points: 395/400 Commander: Admiral Ackbar Assault Objective: Advanced Gunnery Defense Objective: Hyperspace Assault Navigation Objective: Dangerous Territory [ flagship ] MC80 Command Cruiser (106 points) - Admiral Ackbar ( 38 points) - Home One ( 7 points) - Engine Techs ( 8 points) - Boosted Comms ( 4 points) - Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points) - XI7 Turbolasers ( 6 points) CR90 Corvette A (44 points) - Enhanced Armament ( 10 points) CR90 Corvette A (44 points) - Enhanced Armament ( 10 points) 1 Luke Skywalker ( 20 points) 1 Dash Rendar ( 24 points) 1 Jan Ors ( 19 points) 1 YT-2400 ( 16 points) 2 Scurrg H-6 Bombers ( 32 points) Fleet created with Armada Warlords

Order status at CSI has changed to "Processed".

Actually, this. Rogue Assault Faction: Rebel Alliance Points: 399/400 Commander: Admiral Ackbar Assault Objective: Most Wanted Defense Objective: Hyperspace Assault Navigation Objective: Superior Positions [ flagship ] Assault Frigate Mark II A (81 points) - Admiral Ackbar ( 38 points) - Intel Officer ( 7 points) - Boosted Comms ( 4 points) - Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points) - X-17 Turbolasers ( 6 points) Nebulon-B Escort Frigate (57 points) - Yavaris ( 5 points) - Raymus Antilles ( 7 points) Nebulon-B Support Refit (51 points) - Salvation ( 7 points) - Slaved Turrets ( 6 points) 1 Han Solo ( 26 points) 1 Dash Rendar ( 24 points) 1 YT-2400 ( 16 points) 1 Nym ( 21 points) 1 Scurrg H-6 Bomber ( 16 points) 1 Luke Skywalker ( 20 points) Fleet created with Armada Warlords

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