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    Kinzen reacted to Magnus Grendel in Two swords fall from heaven - New L5R story   
    Or even their own amusement. Wasn't there something written once about a Togashi pastime of trying to make up increasingly ridiculous "ancient traditions" and see which ones they could make stick?
    I've always mentally pictured Togashi Ise Zuma as basically being kung-fu versions of Lewellyn from Ozy and Millie:

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    Kinzen got a reaction from Magnus Grendel in Two swords fall from heaven - New L5R story   
    To be fair, for many of them and in many cases, that's genuinely their natural behavior. But are they completely above using that kind of thing on purpose for their own advantage? Not when I'm writing them, they're not. 🙂
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Nitenman in Two swords fall from heaven - New L5R story   
    To be fair, for many of them and in many cases, that's genuinely their natural behavior. But are they completely above using that kind of thing on purpose for their own advantage? Not when I'm writing them, they're not. 🙂
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Suzume Chikahisa in Two swords fall from heaven - New L5R story   
    To be fair, for many of them and in many cases, that's genuinely their natural behavior. But are they completely above using that kind of thing on purpose for their own advantage? Not when I'm writing them, they're not. 🙂
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Manchu in Two swords fall from heaven - New L5R story   
    To be fair, for many of them and in many cases, that's genuinely their natural behavior. But are they completely above using that kind of thing on purpose for their own advantage? Not when I'm writing them, they're not. 🙂
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Mangod in Two swords fall from heaven - New L5R story   
    To be fair, for many of them and in many cases, that's genuinely their natural behavior. But are they completely above using that kind of thing on purpose for their own advantage? Not when I'm writing them, they're not. 🙂
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    Kinzen got a reaction from DGLaderoute in Two swords fall from heaven - New L5R story   
    To be fair, for many of them and in many cases, that's genuinely their natural behavior. But are they completely above using that kind of thing on purpose for their own advantage? Not when I'm writing them, they're not. 🙂
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Vulcan646 in ‘Black and White’ story discussion   
    Yes, that's the point at which she really started to go awry. She could have paused to take a breath, but at that point she was panicking more than thinking things through clearly, and continuing with the principle of "hide the bodies" rather than "what is proper procedure in this situation?" As for not telling Shoju after the fact . . . well, yeah, in her shoes I wouldn't have, either. He'd already put a literal knife to her throat, so adding "and by the way, I sent somebody to kill the Emerald Champion" would be suicide.
    I disagree that she's acting first and foremost for herself, though. I do believe that Kachiko thinks what she's doing is for the greater good of both clan and empire. She's wrong about that, but, well, self-delusion: it's a thing. At that point, though, we're firmly enough into differing interpretations that I don't expect to argue anybody around to my side.
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Doji Hyōkin in ‘Black and White’ story discussion   
    I'm actually sympathetic to Kachiko. If you remove the edict from the scenario, then her actions made a lot of sense: it would have massively destabilized the Empire to know that the Crown Prince, now Emperor presumptive, committed both patricide and regicide. Covering up the murder so that it appears 38 died of natural causes was the right move; this is not a society that would reward telling the truth in that situation. And since without the edict there's no grounds for bypassing Sotorii in the succession, you either ~take steps~ to make sure he doesn't wind up on the throne . . . or you make sure you have leverage over the homicidal teenager (who, let's not forget, could order your death if you don't make him feel grateful to you for your help, because he knows you know what he did).
    Up until the edict appears, Kachiko made all the right decisions. The problem is that those decisions committed her irrevocably to a course of action that runs directly counter to the edict, and she didn't know that until it was too late. (Plus, it would still massively destabilize the Empire to know a Hantei son killed the Emperor, even if that son doesn't then become Emperor herself.) But now she isn't protecting the next Emperor; she's protecting a disinherited murderer. At that point there aren't any good choices: letting the edict go ahead risks exposing the truth, because the odds that Sotorii will go along with it quietly are about nil. Not to mention that an edict putting the Scorpion in charge of the younger, manipulable son right after the Emperor ~conveniently~ keels over of natural causes/gets stabbinated makes them look really, really bad. And, as Kachiko says in this story, the Empire is in a bad state right now: lifetime leverage over an Emperor you know you can manipulate is probably more effective than a year or two of regency for an Emperor who's either a lesser known quantity or disenchanted with the whole society, depending on how familiar Kachiko is with Daisetsu's attitude. But to make that work, you've got to remove Toturi from the equation, so . . .
    I mean, no, her decisions are not having good effects, nor are they remotely honorable. But her reasoning is sound, and as much about preserving the Empire as it is about helping the Scorpion get ahead. And honestly, the whole thing would have played out very differently if Shoju had just shared that information with her. It was going to be public soon anyway, and it would have delighted her -- more power for the Scorpion, yay! -- so while I understand him holding it back, this is the cluster**** that results.
    Which is why I'm really enjoying this setup. It's all about the unforeseen consequences of decisions that look much better in isolation than in the full context of the situation. And for everybody saying Kachiko deserves to go to the Traitors' Grove . . . she hasn't betrayed the Scorpion, and that's the main reason people get sent there. If she'd destroyed the edict, then as Shoju says, yeah, she'd be toast -- that would be the point at which she'd be showing disloyalty. But the Traitors' Grove isn't for people who make mistakes. It's for those who put themselves or someone else ahead of their clan. Which Kachiko has not done.
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Vulcan646 in ‘Black and White’ story discussion   
    I'm actually sympathetic to Kachiko. If you remove the edict from the scenario, then her actions made a lot of sense: it would have massively destabilized the Empire to know that the Crown Prince, now Emperor presumptive, committed both patricide and regicide. Covering up the murder so that it appears 38 died of natural causes was the right move; this is not a society that would reward telling the truth in that situation. And since without the edict there's no grounds for bypassing Sotorii in the succession, you either ~take steps~ to make sure he doesn't wind up on the throne . . . or you make sure you have leverage over the homicidal teenager (who, let's not forget, could order your death if you don't make him feel grateful to you for your help, because he knows you know what he did).
    Up until the edict appears, Kachiko made all the right decisions. The problem is that those decisions committed her irrevocably to a course of action that runs directly counter to the edict, and she didn't know that until it was too late. (Plus, it would still massively destabilize the Empire to know a Hantei son killed the Emperor, even if that son doesn't then become Emperor herself.) But now she isn't protecting the next Emperor; she's protecting a disinherited murderer. At that point there aren't any good choices: letting the edict go ahead risks exposing the truth, because the odds that Sotorii will go along with it quietly are about nil. Not to mention that an edict putting the Scorpion in charge of the younger, manipulable son right after the Emperor ~conveniently~ keels over of natural causes/gets stabbinated makes them look really, really bad. And, as Kachiko says in this story, the Empire is in a bad state right now: lifetime leverage over an Emperor you know you can manipulate is probably more effective than a year or two of regency for an Emperor who's either a lesser known quantity or disenchanted with the whole society, depending on how familiar Kachiko is with Daisetsu's attitude. But to make that work, you've got to remove Toturi from the equation, so . . .
    I mean, no, her decisions are not having good effects, nor are they remotely honorable. But her reasoning is sound, and as much about preserving the Empire as it is about helping the Scorpion get ahead. And honestly, the whole thing would have played out very differently if Shoju had just shared that information with her. It was going to be public soon anyway, and it would have delighted her -- more power for the Scorpion, yay! -- so while I understand him holding it back, this is the cluster**** that results.
    Which is why I'm really enjoying this setup. It's all about the unforeseen consequences of decisions that look much better in isolation than in the full context of the situation. And for everybody saying Kachiko deserves to go to the Traitors' Grove . . . she hasn't betrayed the Scorpion, and that's the main reason people get sent there. If she'd destroyed the edict, then as Shoju says, yeah, she'd be toast -- that would be the point at which she'd be showing disloyalty. But the Traitors' Grove isn't for people who make mistakes. It's for those who put themselves or someone else ahead of their clan. Which Kachiko has not done.
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Shadrack in Two swords fall from heaven - New L5R story   
    Because I'm sympathetic to this gripe, I do want to point out this:
    The crypticness does, in this iteration, have a reason.
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Suzume Chikahisa in Two swords fall from heaven - New L5R story   
    Because I'm sympathetic to this gripe, I do want to point out this:
    The crypticness does, in this iteration, have a reason.
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Mangod in Two swords fall from heaven - New L5R story   
    Because I'm sympathetic to this gripe, I do want to point out this:
    The crypticness does, in this iteration, have a reason.
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Shiba Gunichi in Two swords fall from heaven - New L5R story   
    Because I'm sympathetic to this gripe, I do want to point out this:
    The crypticness does, in this iteration, have a reason.
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Tonbo Karasu in Two swords fall from heaven - New L5R story   
    Because I'm sympathetic to this gripe, I do want to point out this:
    The crypticness does, in this iteration, have a reason.
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Tonbo Karasu in Red Petals Scatter - New L5R Fiction Story Discussion   
    They're also ideally self-contained stories, or at least mostly so -- not just longer episodes from the ongoing narrative. Which means they need a degree of narrative resolution Daisetsu and Shahai are unlikely to get in the near term.
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Mangod in Red Petals Scatter - New L5R Fiction Story Discussion   
    They're also ideally self-contained stories, or at least mostly so -- not just longer episodes from the ongoing narrative. Which means they need a degree of narrative resolution Daisetsu and Shahai are unlikely to get in the near term.
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    Kinzen got a reaction from phillos in Red Petals Scatter - New L5R Fiction Story Discussion   
    They're also ideally self-contained stories, or at least mostly so -- not just longer episodes from the ongoing narrative. Which means they need a degree of narrative resolution Daisetsu and Shahai are unlikely to get in the near term.
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    Kinzen reacted to Shiba Gunichi in By the Stroke of a Brush - New L5R Fiction Story Discussion   
    I think that image is more akin to a movie poster for the conflict than an actual depiction of a specific encounter.
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Tonbo Karasu in Falling Stars - New L5R Fiction Story Discussion   
    Forget shugenja; this is where I think Rokugan is clearly a fantasy land. There have been plenty of times in history where the ruler's own son and heir is EXACTLY who he needs to be protected from. 😛
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Suzume Chikahisa in Falling Stars - New L5R Fiction Story Discussion   
    Forget shugenja; this is where I think Rokugan is clearly a fantasy land. There have been plenty of times in history where the ruler's own son and heir is EXACTLY who he needs to be protected from. 😛
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    Kinzen reacted to UnitOmega in Falling Stars - New L5R Fiction Story Discussion   
    *Record scratch* *freeze frame* "Yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation."
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    Kinzen reacted to Magnus Grendel in Every important factor in the upcoming mess   
    Completely agree. That doesn't necessarily mean, as noted, that he had a choice about the script.
    I'd definitely concur that he falls into the 'bad Crane stereotype' (i.e. politically connected, a bit smug and really annoying) category in much the same way Bayushi Aramoro falls into the 'bad Scorpion stereotype' (i.e. treacherous and overambitious) category.
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    Kinzen reacted to Doji Hyōkin in Dragon Novella   
    Thanks! Shamelessly unrelated plug for your other dragon novel, because Lady Trent is phenomenal.
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    Kinzen got a reaction from Mangod in Dragon Novella   
    It takes place before the main timeline begins (i.e. before "The Rising Wave").
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