McDermott
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3 minutes ago, FunTimeTeddy said:A good game, revitalized, newly launched. Rather than griping about trivialities, I'd prefer to see enthusiasm and gratitude for a game which could have just as easily been discontinued.
To you its a triviality, to a lot of long term players its the astroturfing of a time honored tradition at the complaints of a fraction of a fraction of the playerbase who don't even have the beginnings of a well constructed argument about it. Like i said above...would have been better to just remove it, especially given the replacement and how it sounds being shouted in german (where the game has had a pretty big following in the past)
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Just now, Zesu Shadaban said:Well, there's everything else that came in the announcement. The focus of the thread so far has been on the replacement chant for FFG run events. Or is everyone just that "meh" about the rest of the article/ linked pages?
Pretty much, i mean the returning playerbase is coming from a time where prize support included actual swords and there were 50+ 50-200 person tournaments every summer plus huge origins, gen con, and dragon con tournaments, a subscription service with exclusive promo cards, seasonal in store tournament packs, and swag well beyond full bleeds and a lanyard.
Now i get that this isn't how it is and that FFG isn't going to go overboard the way AEG did But for a significant chunk of the playerbase this is "We're keeping like 75% of what you had prior" not some hot new unprecedented announcement. Its good and cool that they're keeping kotei season and a world championship, but the alteration of a tradition based on the complaints of a really REALLY small segment of the playing population is a bit more controversial and worthy of discussion than "yay they're going to keep doing tournaments". What is there to actually discuss regarding that? If its hot and new for standard FFG lcg's I mean cool, but its pretty standard l5r stuff.
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Better to step on the necks of the posters who create the kind of petty complaint that made the AEG boards a hellhole early.
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20 minutes ago, FunTimeTeddy said:I think this thread, and threads like it, are largely distracting from an otherwise good thing.
Which good thing is that?
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I strongly expect that at some point there will be cards you'll want in other clans packs.
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8 minutes ago, BD Flory said:An analagy is definitionally a partial comparison.
Dude you used a hyperbolic analogy poorly, get over it and stop trying to double down.
Edit: Also, dude, you're a professional writer, and this forum puts a nice red underline under misspelled words. Don't try to condescend to me with definitions and then misspell the word being defined.
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If your position is that a chant used by multiple cultures today and that happened to be used in a war, against the allies (including my seabee great grandfather), 70+ years ago is analogous to terminology used by people who held another people in slavery for hundreds of years then continued to use that terminology to denigrate them for a century or more after the fact i question your sense of perspective entirely Flory.
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On 10/6/2017 at 11:31 AM, Shirys said:For starters, maybe not directly bashing the team (on their own forums) that put a lot of time and effort into this game by calling them incompetent would help.
Just try that next time. I know it's not easy but you can do it.
No hard feelings,
Peace =)
I have hard feelings, i can think of few things any game needs less of than nitpicky players like OP.
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I don't think it was really terribly popular in east asia outside the philippines, that may have more to do with "historical fiction" tending to be more interesting to people outside that culture than inside it.
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Also, congrats Lord Blunt, you found a hypocrite. I'm not sure when it became virtuous to avoid offending hypocrites with their own hypocrisy but here we are.
Edit: on top of which doesn't that really back up my earlier point where the louder and more intolerant of certain kinds of offense people get the more skeletons they have in their closet regarding that behavior?
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10 hours ago, BD Flory said:I'm sorry you don't see the difference, but this complaint is analagous to white people complaining they can't call african-americans negroes anymore, or worse, because it's what they've always called them.
Its not analogous to this AT ALL. This is a stupid comparison. Hyperbolic in the extreme and an example of why you have around a 50% support ratio for your posts. Yknow, since we're using post count as a metric might as well use likes as a metric too.
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14 minutes ago, Athenor said:On the chant: My issue was when I talked to a friend of mine who married a Chinese woman.. and would feel very uncomfortable bringing his son to the game. That's when I decided I wouldn't do the chant locally.
Yeah, better to just ditch it entirely though. Seriously translate that into german then yell it out loud a few times.
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I'd submit that a page and a half of discussion on the topic means thats more of a matter of interest than the expected poor prize support compared to AEG going overboard for years.
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Just now, Suzume Tomonori said:I don't consider the people who are opposed to the chant to be petty, or that they are trying to spite others, or are just loud, or are just complaining, or a lot of the other negative things/names people are calling them. I believe the people who are opposed to it, and FFG when they chose to stop it, have their hearts in the right place. The reasoning just doesn't seem to me to consider the full context of the phrase.
I don't.
The louder someone (not actually of a directly oppressed group) is about an issue of justice for an oppressed group (they arent actually part of) the more convinced I am that they have a whole batallion of skeletons in their closet regarding the very issue they're "upset" about because when you're making your voice loudest, it becomes about you, not them. Vocally Intersectional feminist dude guilty of sexually harassing/assaulting women is the 2010's version of anti-gay republican looking for gay sex on the DL.
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4 minutes ago, Suzume Tomonori said:Getting rid of the chant is whatever, but I'm still scratching my head at the reasoning.
As was previously mentioned, "banzai" is still in use in Japan for a lot of things, most of which are rather mundane. For example, I've seen it used to try to pump people up at large company meetings (no, really) and the Hiroshima baseball team fans literally do three banzais every time their team scores a run. It is a purely American sensibility to associate it only with WWII. They say "the real world historical context" of the phrase in the article, but I feel like they are ignoring most of the real world historical context of the phrase. But, I suppose it is an American game by an American company, so American sensibilities prevailing is not unexpected.
Its not even american sensibilities. Its a handful of loudmouths with blogs sensiblities.
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3 minutes ago, Daigotsu Steve said:I can't help but feel I read a different article. Where was there even a mention of that chant? Balls to that, I love the chant.
Anyway, super excited for all the gorgeous prizes that are gonna try and get flipped on Ebay for three figures. Fingers crossed that when I attend WarpCon I can get my grubby little mitts on a couple =]Its in the sidebar man
QuoteHow they think it will go
Rokugan Chant
Leaders: For Honor!
Competitors: Honor!
Leaders: For Glory!
Competitors: Glory!
Leaders: For Rokugan!
Competitors: Rokugan!How it will actually go
QuoteLeaders: For Honor!
Competitors: BANZAII!!
Leaders: Thats a warning!
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This...in every way they'd be wise to just remove chanting entirely if they aren't going to keep the tradition.
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1 minute ago, El_Ganso said:I'm just glad "USA! USA! USA!" Is not a chance cause I would be blogging up a storm (I'm sure somebody yelled that when the bombs drop at Hiroshima and Nagasaki)
The new chant feels like nerd trying to give himself a cool nickname, way cringier now I think.
Also, proper protest would be to present your wakizashi to your daimyo in silence. Which I would support and encourage players do.
The reality is that protest in the games community eventually just turns into non-participation.
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Its the way its GOING to go. You don't get to keep the community and enthusiasm built up around a tradition by discarding the tradition.
Edit: I'm not even claiming they should have kept the banzaii chant, im saying that this other one is "new coke" and is going to be received like "new coke"
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Realistically, if they were going to get bent about the banzaii chant they should have done away with chanting altogether. The new one is going to be filled with people shouting banzaii anyway, people sarcastically screaming responses at the top of their lungs, and is by and large just going to be a ***********. Just do away with the chanting FF. If the OG chant isn't good enough for you you're not going to be able to astroturf enthusiasm for some bland new one.
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12 hours ago, Hinomura said:So far this week we've had one of the most comprehensive and impressive OP programs I've ever seen outlined in a series of excellent posts, the return of a fan favourite author with an excellent fiction, and both the Learn to Play booklet and Rules Reference Guide posted online. Later today we have an L5RLive on Facebook detailing even more awesome things. Whup, and the L5RHonored contest was held and judged.
I'm grateful for all the planning and effort that's going in to this monumental relaunch. I'm also grateful FFG don't read these boards.
Its too bad their plan didn't include waiting for more of the sad sacks from prior editions to find other hobbies tbqh.
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3 hours ago, Taki said:I'd rather see it rescaled to runewars size, but it wasn't an overly complex game. I think it's big failing is that it tried too hard to be like the card game and not its own thing
You had initiatives with a dice component for every unit on the field. It might not have been an overly complex game for the time period with games like Confrontation running around, but by the standards of any minis game that has displayed longevity...way too complex.
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1 hour ago, Taki said:I was on the playtest team for it. It was a lot of fun. If you have any questions, feel free to ask
Thats a game that could seriously do with major simplification, and possibly a rescaling to more like Warmahordes model count.
New info about Organize Play, Winter Court and Kotei Serise
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Thats what you get when you make transparent changes to AVOID a potential shitshow. Wouldn't have happened if they'd just dropped the chant entirely.