McDermott
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14 hours ago, SideshowLucifer said:It wasn't clan loyalty that caused the problem. It was changing the rules near the end that caused it.
Clan loyalty has been a staple of L5R for as long as it has been competitive. It's what drives the game and the story forward.
Not everyone stays loyal all the time. I had a Phoenix character made for me even though I was always Dragon clan.
Like anything else, it's as good or bad as a person makes it.
They didn't actually change any rules. People made some assumptions about how it would all shake out, echo chambered themselves into believing it and when the actual announcement came out regarding wins and losses and it was different people freaked.
BUT EVEN THEN, i'm not referring to that, i'm referring to the accusation on a certain scorpion board that AEG actually lied about tournament results to prevent the scorpion clan from winning.
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7 minutes ago, TheItsyBitsySpider said:Which point? The part where you said to have a favorite clan, but not to have a favorite clan?
If you don't understand "Have a favorite clan but don't be clan loyal" I cant help you friendo.
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2 minutes ago, TheItsyBitsySpider said:"Hey, lets do a team based game"
"Oh look, the judges are changing the rules out of nowhere to mess up the red team right when they are about to win"
"Oh look the red team is mad, clearly its THEIR fault that they are mad, they should have not picked red team, not the judges who changed the games rules"
I mean, you clearly dont get how games work so yeah, that pretty much was it. Setting up a mega game, explaining the rules, and then purposely screwing over the winning team IS a fantastic way to get players to leave the game.
id honest to god like to thank you for proving my point
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Just now, TheItsyBitsySpider said:Clan loyalty didnt cause that. AEG caused that, that was 100% on AEG's fault for changing the rules to a game midway through purposely to try to add drama and tension because they didnt expect a runaway winner to appear.
Yeah, im sure thats it and not peoples irrational overattachment to their clan
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11 minutes ago, SideshowLucifer said:That single event actually cost people real friendships, as dumb as that sounds, because Dragon refused to lose their great clan status. We had no desire to win the throne, but because of that change we were faced with winning or losing our clan status. It was ugly.
"You're right McDermott, getting too vested in clan loyalty DOES have a history of all kinds of ridiculous problems"
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10 hours ago, TheItsyBitsySpider said:This has nothing to do with clan loyalty, this has everything to do with AEG not being transparent and screwing over the, at the time, front runner clans, both of which formed an Alliance that AEG was forcing apart because they decided to change the megagame half way through.
Players left the game because they felt lied to about the company, and that their contributions were being openly muddled with to get the result AEG wanted, not what the players felt they were actually working to earn. **** that entire Megagame ONLY worked because clan loyalty exists.
I was a Spider player from Emperor on, I know exactly how it feels to have design screw up your faction EVERY time, but Clan Loyalty only enhanced my experience.
No they literally believed AEG changed tournament result reports in an effort to screw them over. That was the controversy. There was some hurt over the scorpions win condition screwing over second place instead of last place, but it isn't as though it was an out of character move for the clan. The ragequitting came because they believed AEG literally altered results.
Trust me, i know, i was there, mocking them for how stupid and paranoid it sounded.
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No i'm being accurate.
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Someone with a decade of experience with the IP and the community surrounding it: "Hey, there are a lot of issues that crop up when you buy too far into clan loyalty. Don't do it"
People without that experience: "Nah, whats the point without it!"
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10 minutes ago, Ide Yoshiya said:The stronger one holds to clan loyalty, the sweeter its successes in the story become, and the more visceral its defeats. I cannot express to you how good it felt to have the Gen Con story resolve in my clan's favor, BUT - and this is important - I was also looking forward to the prospect of Meishodo being outlawed, and the implications it would have for drama within the Unicorn: do our shugenjas surrender to the Emperor's wishes, or continue practicing Meishodo in secret? How do our non-shugenja kinsmen deal with this? Similarly, reading that "there will be no alliance permitted between the Crane and the Unicorn" dealt me a crushing blow, but one that I have savored ever since. While it's easy to imagine that being wholly invested in a clan will make any setbacks toward that clan frustrating, for me I find that it increases the emotional weight of the story.
An entire board of the scorpion playerbase accused AEG of literally rigging the megagame to screw them over and like half of them quit the game in a fury over it.
Edit: but not before that drama bled EVERYWHERE.
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7 hours ago, Matrim said:wasn't a lot of that people who couldn't win if their clan was top tier using that as an excuse as to why they were not winning?
Saying that if you start believing such things then that might cause players to quit thus reinforcing the basic premise...
I'm speaking from a decade + actual experience with the culture of the L5R fanbase. You can parse it however you want but I guarantee you somewhere 1 to 2 years from now you're going to notice "Why does FFG hate Clan X" threads poking their heads up and its a direct result of people deciding to go for a clan loyal approach. The people with the personality type to be able to suck it up when the faction they traded all their other cards away to complete stinks for 6 months at a time are a lot rarer than you'd believe.
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5 hours ago, Matrim said:mcd makes an interesting point on clan loyalty. Relevant for ultra competitive players only I think.
for me I was ccg crane and am enjoying lcg crane. I may dabble in crab occasionally. In casual I will probably play sub optimal test decks of all the others. Competitions we'll see how it runs..
Dude I promise you, the competitive players winning tournaments were not primarily the clan loyal, the competitive tourney folk bent with the tides for the most part. It was the by and large casual fan, which didn't stop them from getting bent out of shape when their faction wasn't winning anything.
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I'm going to say this for all the new players of this game that may stumble across this as someone who played L5R from spirit wars forward. Do Not...i repeat DO NOT develop clan loyalty. It is simultaneously the best and worst aspect of this IP. Rather than accepting a card game model, where you feel comfortable picking one of the current strongest 4-5 deck types, you'll eventually get salty and upset when "your" faction sits at the bottom of the heap for any length of time. Clan loyalty is a trap that will give most of you a temporary boost of enthusiasm and make "your" factions time at the bottom that much worse.
By all means have a favorite, play them often, or even mostly. Do not develop loyalty to a LCG faction, it will at some point ruin the game for you.
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3 hours ago, DarkHorse said:Anyone else getting a Clerks 2 vibe? "It's cool, I'm taking it back."
Pretty terrible analogy, if you're getting that vibe I question your sense of perspective. Racist terminology used to belittle a people held in bondage for centuries and oppressed afterward with language like that compared to an exclamation used EVEN BY the cultures supposedly oppressed with nowhere near the historical baggage. Hyperbolic analogy that doesn't compare.
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1 hour ago, Zesu Shadaban said:You could always bring your bonsai plant and raise it high during the chant.
I support this plan
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This, in the past where functional promo cards were distributed at big tournaments it was one thing. In the land of alt arts and full bleeds making it to all the tourneys isn't a big necessity.
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11 hours ago, Dydra said:I would like to thank SU&SD for ruining the Banazai! chant ... now let's all enjoy the even more awkward and cringy generic chant in Enligsh .... yupey ...
You're implying people are going to stop yelling banzai. They probably aren't. Itl be nice fuel for the offended on behalf of others who weren't going to play the game anyway crowd though.
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Somewhere between more than .001% and maybe less than 10% of the playerbase at least.
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On 10/5/2017 at 8:29 PM, Shu2jack said:For the past couple months I've been firmly with the Crab, with a soft spot for the dragon.
Today I received my cores and played two games of 1-core Crab with scorpion splash. Some bad dynasty flips had me relying, with success, on my conflict hand. Kami help me it gooood. I'm seriously considering going scorpion. May my request for seppuku for ny betrayal be accepted!
Has anyone else had different perceptions on what they want to play now that we have our hands on the game?
Before the setting shift crab/scorpion had a pretty nasty dishonor engine going due to their alliance.
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2 minutes ago, roguefrog said:The fact that you are still infatuated in discussing the tone of my first post on page 4 means you are basically still "crying about it." The discussion has moved on since then. Try to keep up.
No it really hasnt.
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Who's crying, I'm engaging you in the tone you set.
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1 minute ago, BD Flory said:Sorry, you don't get to decide the standard to which I proof (or don't) internet forum posts. Like I said, pay my rate, you get a say.
Outside of that, you seem to have a rather unhealthy obsession with me.
Not really, when people make a big deal about what their credentials are I look them up. If I were a professional writer I'd want my internet footprint to display professional writing though.
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31 minutes ago, roguefrog said:Ignoring the tone police for a sec, the reason I didn't address the mirror argument is it is groundless. Pure conjecture. IF there was a mirror it would be evident in the art. There is no case here. File under the prior blindness defense of ones pet dev on full display.
Tone matters. You came in here with a petty complaint and had a crap tone, were you expecting a warm welcome?
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18 minutes ago, BD Flory said:Typos happen for lots of reasons that have nothing to do with proximity.
What are you, five?
Nope i just have no patience for your particular brand of performative wokeness, nor your "as a professional writer" demeanor. If you're a professional writer, display it in your writing.
17 minutes ago, BD Flory said:You obviously haven't even read the thread you're writing about.
Actually I have, and the one thing you can count on is that the minute someone expresses offense, people like you will be quick to jump on board, whether there's merit to it or not. Mr Wong has an internet history that is virulently anti-Japanese, and as such his complaints about these things need to be informed by the fact that he's pretty clearly a bigot. After all, it wasn't the Chinese rounded up into internment camps in america 70 years ago. In America, hating on the Japanese is akin to hating on Jewish people (that's how you draw an analogy btw mr Flory).
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4 minutes ago, BD Flory said:You want to pay my rate? I'll fix the typo.
O is nowhere near A on the keyboard friendo, its a misspelling, own it.
4 minutes ago, BD Flory said:Of course it would have. Because someone will whine about any change at all.
I feel pretty confident no one would have even noticed. In the face of one complaint (from a virulent bigot, that a bunch of white dudes are rushing to defend in a peacock display of "wokeness"), a change (to something that sounds like a neo nazi chant in german) is going to be noticed.
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Phoenix Spell Revealed
in Legend of the Five Rings: The Card Game
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Historically cards like this sleep for a while then erupt as part of a degenerate combo. Which is basically the phoenix clan's schtick.