this is also a matter of taste and personal opinion.
To me the apps in boardgames are a trend from the past... this apps didnt add anything interesting in boardgames beyond "setup manager" or stupid things as "enemy rolls dices"... nothing that a good board game design can make by his own.
the future in boardgames is to keeping this wonderful magic without the digital, theres the magic... Thats why i love boardgames and videgames bored me...
And yes, is a personal opinion of course, but this is FFG (not sure anymore) and i grow with the best ameritrash designs in history, this hobby is amazing... i dont want app only driven games, not only in my shelves, i dont wantit in the marker.
 
 

indeed... this born as a "forgeatable game"

this happens when a company disconnect with the audience totally....
very bad art and design
poor concept
app mandatory driven - this is a videogame with toys?
the game lenght didnt respond to the modern era
expensive as ****
zero original
and they call it the "definitive" dungeon crawler?
 
i mean... comeon.... everything is bad with this ¿"game"?
 
 
and im not a troll... i spend this last days hyped as **** with this announcement...

this is also a matter of taste and personal opinion.
To me the apps in boardgames are a trend from the past... this apps didnt add anything interesting in boardgames beyond "setup manager" or stupid things as "enemy rolls dices"... nothing that a good board game design can make by his own.
the future in boardgames is to keeping this wonderful magic without the digital, theres the magic... Thats why i love boardgames and videgames bored me...
And yes, is a personal opinion of course, but this is FFG (not sure anymore) and i grow with the best ameritrash designs in history, this hobby is amazing... i dont want app only driven games, not only in my shelves, i dont wantit in the marker.
 
 

indeed... this born as a "forgeatable game"

this happens when a company disconnect with the audience totally....
very bad art and design
poor concept
app mandatory driven - this is a videogame with toys?
the game lenght didnt respond to the modern era
expensive as ****
zero original
and they call it the "definitive" dungeon crawler?
 
i mean... comeon.... everything is bad with this ¿"game"?
 
 
and im not a troll... i spend this last days hyped as **** with this announcement...

this happens when a company disconnect with the audience totally....
very bad art and design
poor concept
app mandatory driven - this is a videogame with toys?
the game lenght didnt respond to the modern era
expensive as ****
zero original
and they call it the "definitive" dungeon crawler?
 
i mean... comeon.... everything is bad with this ¿"game"?
 
 
and im not a troll... i spend this last days hyped as **** with this announcement...

totally agree... today awesome miniatures is something normal to see... im not buying toys, im not buying videogames... this is stupid. All the game mechanics are based in the app companion.... stupip setup time,bad art and graphic design.... overpriced.... all bad guys

your english is very good, and i think you make the point here. Is exactly as you say.
Im pretty sure that if FFG reads messages like yours gonna learn something... but ultimately they doesnt reed neither hear...

Same here ! If only the game was giving us cards, like I'm saying everywhere !
But no. The game should have the two system : fully co-op for the ones that love it, and Overlord system for the one that love it too
But no app, since the app can be a card system, then, go on a card system

How disappointment! 
 
this was a great chance for a BIG BIG GAME! with all the best things from first and second edition and imperial assault. With new features like gloomhaven, maybe legacy elements and something like that. Also the compatibility with the first and second edition heroes and monsters was been cool! 
 
...but now we have a appboardgame in cartoon style with 3d tiles...
 
maybe for a new audience from 7-14 years...i think so...
 
what a shame!

I really cant understand why they stop supporting HoT. First Warhammer Quest TCG was cancelled cause the Games Workshop end of contract... but they reimplement the game quickly in terrinoth! if they decide that, why decide to stop supporting? is not clear to me. A game very cheap to produce, and easy expandable... and one of the best designs so far this last years.

Can be a letdown (actually, not for me, i love the 3rd of arkham) but theres something you must agree: it has QUALITY in every aspect, design, art, material...
 
In the other hand, im with you, the sky is not falling... just we are seeing how FFG is drowning slowly (people abandon the ship every year) and well... everyone here grow with this amazing games... so we are sad when we see the long shadow of asmodee over the "soul" of this publisher

They must read this!! They have to listen to the audience!! Is important. Do not buy this... and will see... Im stil waiting for Heroes of Terrinoth content... More of Runebound 3rd... and more

I really cant understand why they stop supporting HoT. First Warhammer Quest TCG was cancelled cause the Games Workshop end of contract... but they reimplement the game quickly in terrinoth! if they decide that, why decide to stop supporting? is not clear to me. A game very cheap to produce, and easy expandable... and one of the best designs so far this last years.

your english is very good, and i think you make the point here. Is exactly as you say.
Im pretty sure that if FFG reads messages like yours gonna learn something... but ultimately they doesnt reed neither hear...

I really cant understand why they stop supporting HoT. First Warhammer Quest TCG was cancelled cause the Games Workshop end of contract... but they reimplement the game quickly in terrinoth! if they decide that, why decide to stop supporting? is not clear to me. A game very cheap to produce, and easy expandable... and one of the best designs so far this last years.

I'd like to comment:
First, I have never played descent, and looking at this game makes me think this will not change soon. I'll wait for a better product.
I think the art is not exactly what we are used as fantasy players. Perhaps the art direction has done a poor job choosing this kind of art for this kind of genre... this art (in my opinion) would suit perfectly in a cyberpunk genre game. Or perhaps a modern warfare game. Or an urban modern environment.
But not medieval fantasy. Medieval fantasy suggest traditional colors, complex and desaturated palettes, smooth shadows and lights, volumes, evocative backgrounds...
Sketchy looking characters with duotone textures backgrounds and pop color schemes DON'T say "medieval". High contrast shadows aren't for medieval themes... (it is VERY difficult to mix both concepts, but if you dare to do it and do it right, then you got a gem like Darkest Dungeon).
Extreme palettes of flat colors are for superheroes and modern comic books... but all this stuff simply doesn't have nothing to do with fantasy art.
Is like using steampunk chrome aesthetics in your next marvel champions expansion... sure it would be "original" and "different" but it would be horrible and a bad decision... and people would be upset, simply because the art chosen by the art directors REQUIRES to FIT the theme.
That makes me thing that the main purpose of this game is NOT to tell a good story, or to include wonderful and original mechanics... the purpose is to make you freak out giving you 3d environment, groundbreaking aesthetics, great minis... and an expensive B I G box that, now that I see the content... is TOO big... that suggest me FFG has done it again, big empty boxes filled with air.
And now that I have mentioned it... 3d environment... Why?
You say an app will make your games more agile... good luck placing cardboard trees and cardboard stairs... and again... what is the purpose of having these elements? what does this add to the experience? rules for different levels work perfect in other systems, using coloured lines, and different straight levels don't exactly make a prettier board... it makes it impractical and in my opinion, unneeded on a dungeon crawler. Come on... you CAN'T pass UNDER the elements, so, what's the difference between 3d stairs and drawn stairs??? where's the enjoyment once you have seen all the cardboard placed over there?
For this price, I'd prefer the contents of Gloomhaven. With a good story you DON'T need 3d cardboard chests... in fact they look ugly. I REALLY prefer an obstacle printed in 2d... OR a real plastic model for doors or chests. But 3d cardboard trees?????
So, in my opinion they seem to have prioritized aesthetics over gaming mechanics and story... and they have done a very poor job. And the price is simply excessive... taking into consideration that you will need a new expansion and/or miniatures box after a couple of missions...
And I really jhave enjoyed a lot of app driven games, UBOOT for example is a wonderful app driven game, very immersive! or MoM, a wonderful game that I have played a lot of times... but seeing the screens with the crafting system, the weapons, the experience... it seems TOO MANY rules and mechanics have been displaced  outside the board. Even inside graphics in the app are terrible... the interface seems poor, the pop-up windows don't have elaborated backgrounds or borders, everything is flat... again everything makes me think about a cyberpunk game and not a fantasy setting.
Sorry for my poor english

exactly... in this game ffg makes a bad copy of cmon's massive darkness... forgetting his own great style.
Its a bad attempt in take a new art style.
 
Objectivly speaking, this gane is bad in each aspect.
 
 

100 % Fully agree. I hate fully coop games with app based system. I hope this stupid idea of apps will never work, die soon, and never see thoses anymore.

You're serious ... ? Kingdom death was one if not the worst experience ever. And since kickstaters, I think the board game universe is dying : you wait more for games than you ever play them, you paid for miniature with stupids rules to play with (zombicide on top of that), and once a game is out, you already dream of the next one that will come in a couple of year if you're lucky.

Worst era ever, indeed ! Sometimes, I hate when the time changes

I don't see the point to play with an app; If the app was intelligent to know where figures were, how many like points, energy, situation of the monster, the game ... I would love it !

but it is not. If the app was like that, you could remove all components and play only by app, and so the app is just a boring brainless straight forward actions with small randomized action

And the worst is that all of this can easily be done with cards, no need for an app ! And I would like better cards than app in this conditions

is an opinion based in my experience in boargames and also in art direction. Im not pretend to have the only word, sorry if you misunderstandme.
Want to show you a crossbow.

But wait! nobody talks here about the important thing!
¿Since when there trees in a dungeon?

If we were not so distant, I would love to have you as one of my players