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  1. flyboymb

    Rebels Y-Wing

    They should just go ahead and take some artistic license and sculpt the new Y-Wing with TLT on top of it.
  2. Jyn's mission was also something personal. She was going after a thing mentioned in a message from her dead daddy that NOBODY alive could show actually existed (outside of the Imperials of course). The Ghost crew had a long standing mission on Lothal with the Rebellion. They initially failed to meet their objectives and were forced off the planet. So the fact that this same cell manages to get back onto said planet and kick the Empire off of it, albeit with some massive help from space whales, doesn't count because they didn't meet some time factor? Insurgencies don't work like that. Insurgencies CAN'T work like that because such a strict hierarchy would again inevitably result in making it easier to track the command and destroy it. Lothal was liberated with about as much of a force as was initially dedicated to the mission. If the Ghost crew had managed to drive off the Empire before they were ever driven off of Lothal, would that have been a Rebel victory? Would it have not counted unless Fulcrum gave them the mission word for word? Let me tell you something. Insurgencies take whatever 'good' press they can get. It wouldn't matter if there were half a dozen folks with glow sticks, a herd of bantha, and an overly enthusiastic Tribble that got lost somewhere in space and time, if a planet is yanked from the Empire's sphere of influence, the Rebellion is going to capitalize on that. Why wouldn't they? It shows that the Empire CAN be defeated. It would inspire more members to join or at least inspire people to give material support. Nobody would expect this to be a chain reaction resulting in the Empire being overthrown, but they'd see the Rebellion as the force to be reckoned with. An ENTIRE Imperial garrison went up in flames in a single day. How stupid would the Rebellion be to let that slip by? Trying to rope in Saw's group with the Ghost crew is a red herring at best. Saw wanted nothing to do with the Rebellion just as much as the Rebellion wanted nothing to do with Saw. The Ghost crew sacrificed one of their own to activate the shield generator to protect the populace. Saw likely would have instantly used the dome's guns to fire upon the ISDs even if it meant them crashing down onto the city. Hera went right back to the Rebel HQ and was accepted with open arms. There is no correlation between the two. Sabine said it herself, with the victory on Lothal, 'the small Rebellion had become bold'. During the mission they addressed themselves with titles such as 'Commander' and 'General'. If they didn't consider themselves part of the Alliance, what were they a Command and General of? In fact, the ONLY evidence that the Alliance was not a part of this mission was ONE line from Zeb. Are we to take his word as binding to the Rebellion at large? He was being grumpy like Zeb always is. Without the space whales, the mission was only at a stalemate. The garrison was still locked inside, Thrawn was keeping the Rebels from launching, but the shields were keeping Thrawn from firing on the city. Ezra had destroyed the gate, the Emperor's goal was ruined, and there was a lightsaber wielding Force user loose on Thrawn's flagship before Moby Decks arrived. This was a standard Rebel operation through and through with one unforeseen fluke bringing about the victory. Zeb said it himself 'Let's go Rebels!'. They didn't consider themselves renegades, they were still talking like members of a bigger organization. That evidence alone trounces a throwaway line by a character who is prone to gruff exaggeration. And finally, the U.S. certainly could claim part of the victory that China obtained considering the arms and pilots that they shipped over eventually became the Flying Tigers. Nearly 300 Japanese pilots would be happy to attest to their effectiveness if they hadn't been shot down. Those were bombers heading to Chinese towns and IJA fighters and pilots that wouldn't be available to fight after the war. The Ghost crew wasn't working against the Rebels on this mission. Luke wasn't a deserter for going to Dagobah instead of joining up with the fleet, he was working in his own way to further the Rebel cause. The Rebels and Empire are polar opposites in this regard. The Empire as a whole is nothing more than a tool of the Sith, to be used when needed and abused when necessary. Vader's actions WERE an Imperial action inasmuch as he is following the Sith code to not only grow stronger in the Force and defeat his adversaries, but also eventually usurp his master as well. The Rebellion on the other hand is centered around the 'small folk' of the galaxy. They're not there to conquer territory but to liberate. But no one organization has the knowledge to be able to effectively fight campaigns on multiple planets spread across space, so having a centralized command giving out orders for everything just can't happen. It is up to the individual fighters to make the Rebellion work, not Mon Mothma or Dodonna. An organization like the Alliance is also likely to not distinguish between individual partisans and members of the Rebellion unless their philosophies were too dissimilar to work together (Saw). Individual movements don't have to have a Rebel membership card to be part of the larger movement. They just have to have to desire to rid the galaxy of the Empire without killing a huge number of civilians in the process. Happens all the time with real life insurgent groups. Doesn't matter why an individual attacked or if he had ever talked to the group before. If he attacked then, success or failure, they claim him as one of theirs.
  3. The instances that you cited still had a sense of urgency to them. The Falcon was running from the Avenger and hiding upon it because otherwise capture would be inevitable. Admiral Akbar was more than ready to retreat from Endor at the first sight of the Imperial fleet and didn't want to go toe to toe (fin to toe?) with the ISDs even when his most powerful cruisers were being vaporized by the Death Star. There was a healthy respect for the vessel and they were engaged only as a last resort. Post-Disney, especially Rebels, rarely sees them even firing a shot at the enemy and instead just acting like the spaceship equivalent of overgrown henchmen chasing after the heroes just to have buckets of water dropped on their heads. The ISDs of the OT needed a planetside ion cannon battery to easily knock it out, not a tie dyed TIE with a handful of small charges. Fans and authors have traditionally gone through great lengths to justify why overwhelming Imperial force was easily overcome by a couple heroes. The stormtroopers on the Death Star were under orders to let the heroes go. Tarkin didn't bother sending out even a minimal fighter screen. The Emperor's occupation with Luke and eventual death led to the defeat of the fleet and 501st at Endor. There's nothing like that in Rebels. The Empire for the most part had no reason to pull back their punches and the base stats of the ISD just don't mesh with what the show eventually put out. The entire crew of Tarkin's ship was on simultaneous nap break, an armada was unable to break through an antiquated shield generator not even close in size to the one on Hoth, and carcasses of space whales weren't raining down on Lothal after being hit by any of the many turbolaser batteries which vaporized asteroids on impact. I'm not one to go by the overly inflated numbers of Saxton, but there is a system of evolution to military designs. You don't sink limited resources into an entire fleet of something without it at least being able to hold itself against the known threats that can be arrayed against it. Only the unexpected can serve to be a hard counter for it. That's why battleships failed spectacularly against the carrier and modern armored vehicles were initially quite sensitive to IEDs. Their design did not take those concepts into consideration and they turned out to be hard counters. Making your mainline fighting ships be incapable of taking out hostile fauna is tantamount to making a battleship that could be scuttled by an angry sperm whale. It just doesn't make sense. The initial argument was that Lothal was not a Rebel operation because the High Command didn't give it an official stamp of approval. I was just pointing out that there were other unsanctioned attacks that were carried out that nonetheless got a V placed next to the Rebellion's name after the fact. Rebel High Command could not come to a consensus as to what to do about the Death Star and certainly wasn't approving of a strike on a highly defended base to get a copy of the plans. Jyn and company scraped together what volunteers they could and Raddus left unannounced and joined the party. There was no official mission put together by the leadership. In a similar fashion, Hera and crew were part of the Alliance. There was no grand speech by Dodonna about how if they go support Lothal they'll lose their Alliance membership and access to the smoothie bar. Hera assisted in the liberation of Lothal and turned right around and assisted with the acquisition of the Death Star plans. As I said, rebellions don't act that way, I'd bet 95% of the stuff Hera's cell did wasn't approved by high command. But in this one instance, the crew conducts an operation in the area where they traditionally were stationed AS REBELS but it doesn't count this time because somebody said so? That would be like saying the US had no involvement with China's fighting Japan during WWII even though we were shipping P-40's and pilots over there before Congress declared war in 1941. So if Hera wasn't representing the Alliance at Lothal, then Jyn and Raddus weren't representing the Alliance at Scarriff. Rebels aren't Uber drivers that turn off their work depending on whether they're hauling a customer or taking their kid to school. Since when does the size of the victory have any bearing on whether it is a victory or not? Lothal saw an entire planet taken out of Imperial control while Scarriff saw a good chunk of the Rebellion's fleet destroyed and no clear payoff for their efforts until a farmboy managed to make one of the luckiest torpedo runs in history. That military operation wouldn't have even happened if Jyn had stayed on the U-Wing while Cassian followed orders to snipe Daddy while X-Wings made sure everybody with accessible knowledge of the plans was killed. Insubordination saved the galaxy, not a military operation. Let's see... Snoke is another word for Snook, a highly spiny fish. Catholic doctrine requires them to have a helping of fish in lieu of other meat of Fridays during Lent. Catholicism and Christianity as a whole is an offshoot of Judaism. Ezra is Hebrew for help. Another name for the Snook is Robalo which is likely descended from the word llobarro, which is itself descended from lobo Lobo means wolf. Fracking Filoni. It's a bit of a stretch but Ezra=Snoke confirmed.
  4. I'd bet you good money that he's going to churn out a Space Wolves novel someday. That is if he doesn't already have a half dozen stored away until he can catch Gee Dub's attention. How else will the Wolfen liberate the Wolf Chief from the clutches of a Chaos corrupted Wolf Captain on board the Wolf of the Wolf's Wolf's Wolf in order to get back to the Wolfortress for the Ceremony of the Wolf? Technically Scariff wasn't a sanctioned mission either. Rebel high command nixed the idea of a raid, a rogue cell set up a mission that had nothing to do with restoring the republic, and a high profile commander disobeyed orders and assisted. And yet that battle is meant to be plugged in to the opening credits while Lothal is waved off despite a rebel cell being a vital component to the victory there? That's not how rebellions work. If different rebel cells were under that much control by the Alliance, it would be impossible for them to carry out local insurgencies because your superiors can't know in detail what's going on in your section of the galaxy without making themselves a target and you can't jump on sudden opportunities without getting permission from higher first and losing initiative. If an official stamp of approval is needed for it to be a Rebel action, then most of what we saw in the series has nothing to do with the Rebellion and the series should have just been called 'a half dozen folks fighting the Empire'. In any case, I think that this last episode was the last nail in the coffin of a dear member of the Star Wars mythos that has been on life support ever since the Mouse took over. R.I.P. Powerful Imperial Star Destroyer: 1977-2018 The very first exposure we ever had to the Empire in Star Wars was the massive frame of an ISD practically zooming over our heads as it chased the relatively diminutive Rebel ship. That and the perspective change that followed was meant to show just how horribly outgunned the Rebels were compared to the evil powers that be. Nowadays, one has to question why Captain Antilles didn't just ram the Tantive IV into the side of the ISD to push it into the surface of Tatooine or just give it a few volleys from its turrets to blow it up. The ISD has been relegated to the same level of stoogedom as the poor stormtrooper. But whereas the stormtrooper at least had a reputation of being a bad shot, the ISD was always the thing you were trying to run away from. The Imperial juggernaut that was relentless in pursuit and invincible to harm. And now it has gone from something that could glass the surface of entire planets to something that can't even shoot a pod of space whales. The ISD really couldn't avoid appearing in Rebels, and it got the same touch of stupidity that so many villains in the series received. I mean seriously, did you ever see an ISD in the show and think 'uh oh, they're in for it now'?
  5. Thrawn's last known words: For many years, I've studied the Rebels' art. In particular, I've studied their hentai. Because of this, I know exactly where this is going.
  6. The different levels of canon were somewhat necessary because the EU got so unwieldy that you had direct contradictions that had to be worked out. Do you guys remember how convoluted a story was eventually woven about the acquisition of the original Death Star plans by the Rebellion? Palpatine captured Mon Mothma, Bail Organa and Garm bel Iblis (I think) and decided what the heck, let's take them to the Death Star. They know it was there but didn't know what it did. So they hire Kyle Katarn to go steal them which he does... except Captain Antilles and Han Solo did the same thing to an Imperial research base... or was it a prisoner uprising on the Death Star which led to the plans being transmitted to Polis Massa? Or was it a Rebel spy satellite that intercepted the plans where they were given to Biggs Darklighter to courier to the Tantive IV? Or were they obtained at the Battle of Toprawa? Or did the Bothan SpyNet pick up the info resulting in many Bothans dying for the first Death Star as well when the Emperor himself decided to use a bunch of them as lightning rods? This was because so many video games were in existence that had you steal the plans, but EVERYTHING in the Star Wars universe was canon so they all had to fit together somehow. There was no singular 'rebel spaceships , striking from a hidden base' stealing the plans from the Empire and transmitting them to Princess Leia. Now we had numerous pieces of the plans (much like Luke's map in TFA) that R2 had to combine in order to have a full set. But this ignores that the Rebels just so happened to get the correct segments without any vital gaps but they didn't know this because they didn't study the plans before R2 combined them. And don't even get me started on the trench run. Was it Keyan Farlander that destroyed the first Death Star? No it was Luke who you just happened to play as even though Keyan gets his own private awards ceremony for being the surviving Y-Wing in the battle. But then there was Splinter of the Mind's Eye where Vader accused Luke of being the one to shoot down his fighter even though Vader was the one behind Luke at the time and Han was the one doing the shooting (and even then it was technically his wingman). The more demanding of the fandom insisted that everything that had Star Wars on it was actually Star Wars. At some point, because of the EU, C3PO and R2D2 wondered away from Captain Antilles and took part in the Droids series. At some point Jar Jar Binks was stranded on a desert island with his dad. And to top it all off you had Lucas saying that anything that he didn't make was from 'a different universe'. Once you have demand for consistency meet multiple inconsistencies, something has to take precedence. Thus the different canon levels. If Vader was shown to be in two places during the same event, you had to figure out where they really were. If one comic said that the Executor was 30,000 km long while another source said 7,000 km, you had to figure out what was what. Well, maybe not you, but the OCD elements of the fandom certainly did and there could nary be a wrinkle in the lore in their minds.
  7. The biggest sin of the EU was that we never got the Nostril of Palpatine.
  8. Well, they did it. It was certainly better than a lightsaber through the stomach or a fall into superheated plasma. We finally see the characters respond to REAL loss and I have to wonder if their near invincibility will now be the source of a major falling out with the group? You have to think. Other Rebel cells probably have to deal with the loss of close comrades all the time. Those faceless A-Wing pilots likely ate, slept, and trained next to a number of folks that had to grieve for their absence and have the sense of unease about getting close to their replacements. The Rebels crew has always pulled through. No challenge or enemy was ever too strong to keep any member of the team from coming home at the end of the day; not the Grand Inquisitor, not Tarkin, not even Vader. And now a couple of blasts from an AT-AT, a vehicle that they've taken down so many times, has taken the soul of their team. What will hit the team more? The loss of their teammate or the realization that, all this time, the same thing could have happened to them at any moment? I get the feeling that nobody is going to be wagging their fingers at stormtroopers shooting at them anymore. That being said, I'm pretty sure we're not going to see the end of Ezra during this series. Disney isn't going to kill a kid on a kid's show and it would cheapen both deaths to put them so close together. At this point, Ezra is either going to have to disappear off the grid or be put into an instance where his death is heavily assumed by others in order for Tarkin's words to still ring true. Like it or not, the Empire still considers him a Jedi and the guy following the progress in that AO has said that all the Jedi are at least gone if not dead.
  9. And promptly try to bury them in the sidewalk. Or a hawk's nest.
  10. Which is honestly all you need. Have a small hangar for actual maintenance, exterior clamps for docking and refueling, and you've got at least a small fighter force. Of course the question is how many fighters could a Nebulon clamp if a Nebulon could clamp fighters?
  11. It doesn't help that Star Wars fighters patently refuse to utilize space saving measures such as wings that fold upwards which if anything would make MORE sense on a spacecraft than on a vehicle that utilizes those wings for lift. The most fighters that I could cram into a Nebulon involved a conveyor system that latched upon the closed foils of the X-Wing and fed it down into a hangar with barely any room between the canopy and the fighter above it. No clue how the poor R2 unit got out. Even with that and gutting all interior space that could actually fit an X-Wing, you could maybe fit half of the stated fighters. I imagined that the frigate just had half of the fighter compliment in flight at any one time and was SOL if 13/24 fighters needed vital repairs at once.
  12. Hope you didn't drive a compact car there. I don't think you could get it home without sawing it in half if you did.
  13. Well Disney also owns Marvel which I believe is still the reigning king of killing off major characters and bringing them back without altering the universe. If there's any cross contamination, we ought to have all the dead characters from the ST back by episode 9. ET already was plugged into the universe by Lucas and we're now short a Princess due to tragic IRL events. And Disney has employees who's whole purpose of employment There's bound to be some Cinderella looking extra at an Imperial ball in the background or a bunch of really small winged creatures wearing leaves for clothes. Two planets with one Death Star.
  14. I've got 3. But the fact remains that a huge portion of X-Wing's releases are pretty much unplayable. Has anybody mathed up a list of which fighters are just incapable of competing in the current meta? I'd like to see how long it is. That's legitimately nice to hear. At my store, lists are built around gimmicks rather than your ability to pilot fighters with skill. Call me a scrub if you'd like, but I'm the kind of guy that would go into DnD wanting to evolve a character around the experience that I'm having and just have fun with the narrative. But these days, all the players are starting characters as Jetpack Bards because somebody figured out that you can equip them with five spells that can turn all opponents into gold every hour while their supersonic ability allows them to automatically pass all defense dice. The soul of this game was outguessing your opponent in order to line up a shot that he/she couldn't respond to. Get Backstabber into range 1 for some real hurting only to have an unexpected K turn hoping that your green dice would hold up. They literally killed that by releasing stuff like infinite bomb generators and turrets that fire twice with the attack power of the most vanilla defense dice you can wield in a game. The first time I had to fight against 4 TLT Y-Wings running laps across the map, I realized that the game had been lobotomized. It may have put a nice bow over the scar, but the tissue is still missing in the game in my area.
  15. All the fighters that I love have been power creeped (power crept?) out of the game. I got into the game because of the X-Wing PC series and yet now all I see at my FLGS ships are the latest and greatest with 2 autodamage for every green die you roll, bombs that cover 90% of the playing field and distance 6 s-loops that instacrit you if they finish their movements within range 3 of you. I'd love to bring a good old fashioned TIE swarm to the table to actually have fun, but it would get wiped with likely no damage to my opponent. I don't want to tailor my fun around a winning list, I want to tailor my win around my having fun. That's supposed to be the point of games like these outside of tournaments (and at least a significant point within the tournaments). But all the casual players have been driven away from the 2 LGS in my area, everything that isn't meta sits on the shelf unbought, and I haven't played an actual game in nearly a year because there's nothing left but power gamers. I dare anybody to deny that X-Wing has lost the soul that it had in the first few waves. I see more and more of WG's 'game breaking new product of the cycle' in FFG's releases. In the meantime, I've taken up Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker. Believe it or not, there's less power creep in that game.
  16. If we had, his hat probably would have started spinning and he'd have flown away.
  17. I mean, we're talking about a guy who thought it would be a good idea to go apologize to Darth Vader in person for not being able to catch a ship that was practically already in their hangar and literally within tractor beam range. And this is a man who rose in prominence in the Imperial Navy until he was commanding a capital ship in escorting Vader's flagship. If he (and Ozzel for that matter) is the cream that rises to the top of Imperial officers, maybe Han was totally justified in rolling the dice on the matter. Of course, as mentioned previously in this thread, we have to consider the EXACT phrasing of poor Needa when he made the comment. He didn't say 'that ship is too small to have a cloaking device' or something similar, he said 'no ship that small'. Now, that leaves JUUUUUST enough wiggle room for an explanation. If I ask you how big the last fish you caught was and you say 'the fish was that big' with your hands held apart as a frame of reference, that does not imply that every fish that you've ever caught is that big or bigger. You could just as easily keep your hands at the same distance and say 'that small' and the frame of reference would not change. Needa considered the Falcon to be a small ship, so his perspective in the statement would have been to use the term small in his phrasing. It does not automatically imply that no ship that he considers small can have a cloaking device, just something the size of the Falcon. And it potentially makes sense. Fighters and freighters don't have the giant reactors that frigates and cruisers have. They certainly don't have the miniature suns of an ISD. When you compare ships of different sizes, the issue of scale comes into play. You can't just make a ship twice as big and weld twice as many engines on it and expect it to go just as fast, everything else grows as well, increasing the mass of the ship in a non-linear fashion. X-Wings and TIE Fighters can zoom around with engines taking up a fraction of their size, the Falcon's takes up the whole back of the ship and it can't outrun the TIE Fighters whose engines are a fraction of its relative size. Now let us apply this to cloaking devices. A cloaking device that could cloak a Phantom (or Scum ship for that matter) would not cloak the Falcon. Two devices probably wouldn't even do the trick. Likely, you'd need 3-4 devices to ensure that the surface area of the Falcon was covered enough to avoid enemy sensors. Now, given that the energy demands of the engines and deflectors likely take up the vast majority of the Falcon's power output, how much would these things suffer if it had to draw on 4X the power of a single cloak to turn invisible? It would be tantamount to the early years of submarine warfare, where the boats were rather swift while surfaced but slowed to an absolute crawl when submerged. The only reason they sacrificed that speed was because it gave them a measure of invulnerability. But once the speedier surface ships figured out how to counter that submersion with weapons like depth charges and sonar, the submarine rapidly found itself on the defensive as it could not maneuver itself fast enough to evade the ships nor get far enough away to be able to effectively use torpedoes. The Falcon therefore occupies a hole in the size of ships in between fighters like the TIE Phantom and corvettes like the Carrion Spike. Or at least that's the normal twisting and turning that we have to do with Star Wars lore to ensure everything makes 'sense'.
  18. From the trailer, I'm guessing that Thrawn's attack is going to be the benchmark of what an ISD can do in the Disney canon. 'Full scale bombardment of the city' doesn't exactly leave a lot of room for pulling any punches. So either we're going to witness a BDZ event or the whole concept of an ISD being able to glass a planet is now shelved permanently. As for an age difference, I think the quirky romance of the start of the series actually would have fit a lot better if there had been a significant age difference between Ezra and Sabine. Get the quirky hormonal teen who thinks he has a chance with the woman in her early-mid 20's and let the lady give him the gentle brushoff. You'd still have the ability to eventually develop the 'big sis' relationship later after the infatuation wore off but the friendship was still there. I have to agree with the assessments of Filoni and his characters (heck, half of my posts on this thread are griping about it). I just hope he has the strength as a writer to give his characters an endpoint. If you're not willing to sacrifice a character for the sake of the quality of the story, then you're pretty much just playing with dolls in an animated format.
  19. flyboymb

    Urgent Problem

    Considering that the Legends Alderaan was on a trade route (Commenor Run), one has to wonder how many larger freighters met their fate in that asteroid belt before things shifted over. Making hyperlanes ain't like dusting crops kid. Without precise calculations you could or too close to the surface of a former Jedi stronghold planet and that'd end your career in hyperspace topography real quick, wouldn't it?
  20. flyboymb

    Urgent Problem

    Well the Wook at least says that one TIE Bomber can drop thousands of propaganda pamphlets. If they're electronic tablets, then the casualties are likely to be in the dozens if not hundreds due to cracked skulls.
  21. flyboymb

    Urgent Problem

    Can the empire fine the empire for breaking imperial law? Laws are for the common people. Nobody fined tarkin for creating a major navigational hazard in the alderaan system.
  22. flyboymb

    Urgent Problem

    What if the empire wants to drop leaflet bombs on a remote village informing them of new lawn watering restrictions? Would that be ordinance ordnance?
  23. Honestly the only thing I could think of would be a heavy fighter like the beaufighter that had a gunner that could fire forward or back. Only issue is that they couldn't turn as well as the comparative starfighter that has a better dial and equal (or better with lwf) green dice than the xwing. As for the y wing, I'm definitely picking up il2 vibes from it. Flying brick? Check. Gunner? Check. Heavy payload? Check. Armor for days? Check. I'd imagine there's a bunch of soviet fighters in the sun faction as well. The protectorate fighter just screams yak7.
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