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    Out-friggin-standing, Cookie!  Don't pay any heed to some of these doubters and negative Nancy's!  You stated from the beginning that this wasn't an end-all be-all formula, but you were only trying to sort out why FFG has done the things they've done.  I thoroughly enjoyed reading through your post, and I challenge some of the naysayers to come up with their own formula to discredit yours.  
     
    Whether FFG uses a formula or not is beyond my realm of concern, but at least with your formula you used a constant to help evaluate each ship.  Some results were in line with common community opinion, some weren't.  But I'm sure we can all agree that your formula was at least close to explaining the rationale behind their pricing "model".  And even on the ships your formula "failed" on (Punisher) we can at least agree it still falls in line with perceived value and meta usage.  Thakns for putting in the leg work.       
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    derekstanggt reacted to f0rbiddenc00kie in DISCOVERED! Official formula for ship stat pricing.   
    LAST BIG UPDATE: (02-18-17) Turns out that the X-Wing w/Integrated, TIE/SF, Kihraxz, HWK-290, E-Wing, and Starviper are all underpowered for the exact same reason.  Details in the "What Ships Qualify for the Glass Cannon Bonus?" section.

    ***in process of updating Wave 11-14 ships as of 02-20-18***

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    *DISCLAIMER*: The formula is for ship stats (red/green/hull & shields) ONLY.  It does not factor in pilot skill, dial, actions, etc.  That comes after.  This is the basis for where pricing can start.

    With that being said, if a ship is supposed to be efficient then you can expect 100% accurate results.

    WHAT THIS GUIDE WILL TELL YOU:
    With this, you can determine EXACTLY how much you're paying for extra goodies like an exceptional dial, the auxiliary firing arc on the TIE/SF, how effective the "fixes" have been for historically bad ships including Lightweight Frame on the TIE/SF, and how FFG has historically erred on the side of caution when pricing new mechanics along with other things.  This guide will NOT tell you how FFG determines the final value of their ships (which is likely a judgment call unbound by formulas), although you can see patterns in their logic... except for the TIE-Punisher.  That's just darts thrown at a board.

    Once we know how much a ship is paying for utility, we can explain with great precision and detail why ANY ship in the game may feel overpowered or underpowered.  In a nutshell, all base-line stats for 3-AGI, 2-AGI, and 1-AGI ships are priced in direct proportion to the TIE-Fighter, (sort of) the Z-95, and (sort of) the B-Wing respectively.  Why (sort of) the B-Wing?  Because the B-Wing is not 100% efficient and the 12pt TIE-Fighter equivalent of a 1-AGI ship does not yet exist.  Wonder what that would look like?  Read on to find out!

    This guide is also an extremely useful tool for those wishing to predict the costs of upcoming, custom, or otherwise hypothetical ships (say a ship with a 4/3/8/4  or 2/1/10/6 stat line assuming relatively normal dials/actions/upgrades).  So if you want to make a custom ship and don't know where to start for pricing... this is for you.

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    INDEX
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    [AAA] Rules
    aaa-1 = Step by Step
    aaa-2 = The Basis for the Formula
    aaa-3 = The Formula
    aaa-4 = Offense Value Pricing for Primary Weapons
    aaa-5 = Special Rules
    aaa-6 = Main Examples
    aaa-7 = Yet to Confirm

    [BBB] Rebel

    [CCC] Imperial

    [DDD] Scum

    [EEE] Large Ships

    [FFF] Trends in Pricing
    fff-1 = The "Glass Cannon Bonus"
    fff-2 = What Ships Qualify for the "Glass Cannon Bonus?"
    fff-3 = The "Fat Turret Penalty"
    fff-4 = Accuracy Corrector on 2 ATK Ships
    fff-5 = Taxes - Upgrade Bar
    fff-6 = Taxes - Other

    [GGG] Hypothetical Ships
    ggg-1 = 2-ATK 1-AGI Equivalent of TIE-Fighter and Z-95
    ggg-2 = 2-ATK 1-AGI Equivalent of TIE-Interceptor

    [HHH] Final Thoughts
    hhh-1 = Impressions
    hhh-2 = Least Efficient Stat Lines
    hhh-3 = Most Efficient Stat Lines
    hhh-4 = Closing

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    [AAA] RULES: HOW TO DETERMINE THE COST OF ANY SHIP'S BASIC STAT LINE
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    [Conf:"X"] = My confidence level regarding accuracy of rules, rated with letter grades "F" to "A."  This is due to either extrapolation (lack of data) or an apparent change in the system.  The default grade will be "A" unless otherwise stated.

    [aaa-1] STEP BY STEP:
    #1.) Determine AGI value of ship in question and use the following models as guides:
    3-AGI = TIE-Fighter Academy Pilot [ 2 / 3 / 3 ]
    2-AGI = hypothetical 100% efficient Z-95 model at 12 points with exactly [ 2 / 2 / 4.5 ] stats
    1-AGI = hypothetical 100% efficient 1-AGI model at 12 points with exactly [ 2 / 1 / 6 ] stats
    0-AGI = hypothetical 100% efficient 0-AGI model at 12 points with exactly [ 2 / 0 / 7.5 ] stats
    #2.) Find the defense and offense values of the ship in question.
    Defense values are determined by direct proportion to the listed basic models' hit points.
    Offense values will be provided with a consistent and concise list.
    #3.) Plug values into formula.
    #4.) PROFIT!

    [aaa-2] THE BASIS FOR THE FORMULA:
    The TIE-Fighter is a thing of beauty.  I have discovered that the Academy Pilot is one of the only pilots completely free of fluff.  Even the Rebel and Scum Z-95's are not as efficient as the mighty Academy Pilot, each paying exactly 2/3 of a point for the Missile slot and PS2/Illicit.  TIE-Fighter dial/actions/upgrades are considered "relatively normal" and do NOT factor into its cost. Completely variable free, cheapest ship in the game, and easily divisible at 12pts for nice round numbers, the mighty Academy Pilot is the perfect basis upon which pricing for all ships can start.

    Offense and defense each account for exactly half a ship's base stat line value.  The tricky part is that 2 red dice is priced as 100% offensive value, and 3 red dice is priced as 200% offensive value. This means that the game is priced so that two 2-ATK shots is equivalent to one 3-ATK shot.  This tells us that FFG likely knew from the start that going from 2 red dice to 3 increases your expected in-game damage by a lot more than 50%, and so they priced accordingly.  Good job, FFG.  And now I present to you...

    [aaa-3] THE FORMULA:
    base stat line cost = 12 * [(offense value + 100) / 2]% * [(defense value + 100) / 2]%
    This version uses values in proportion to the TIE-Fighter.  Alternatively, you can use...

    base stat line cost = 2(attack) * [(hull + shields) / (5 - agility) + 1.5]
    Credit to user "Blue Five" for this easier to use version of the same formula.

    [aaa-4] OFFENSE VALUE PRICING FOR PRIMARY WEAPONS:
    26.3% offense value = 1-ATK standard (HWK-290) [Conf:D]
    100% offense value = 2-ATK standard, 1-ATK turret
    200% offense value = 3-ATK standard, 2-ATK turret
    300% offense value = 4-ATK standard, 3-ATK turret
    400% offense value = 5-ATK standard, 4-ATK turret (Outrider w/HLC) [Conf:C]

    [aaa-5] SPECIAL RULES:
    AUXILIARY/MOBILE ARCS: Priced exactly half-way between a standard firing arc and turret.
    GLASS CANNON BONUS: Small ships from this class sometimes have a 1pt cheaper cost than their stat line would suggest.  See "The Glass Cannon Bonus" under "Trends in Pricing" for details.
    LARGE SHIP BONUS: Receive a 12.5% price discount for their stats.
    FAT TURRET PENALTY: This sub-class of large ships do not receive the "large ship bonus."

    MOST IMPORTANT TRENDS: ***always a work in progress***
    These are different from the special rules because there is:
    (a) very little data to go off of
    (b) they relate to final costs instead of stat costs (which are important for context)
    (c) they are not technically rules, or...
    (d) they are evolutions of previous rules

    ACCURACY CORRECTOR: Any ship with 2-ATK pays an insane tax for the System slot.
    CONSERVATIVE PRICING: FFG consistently tends to overprice new mechanics.
    EARLY UTILITY PRICING: Back in the day, some things consistently costed insane amounts (like Missile slots worth 2 points and +1 pilot skill worth around +1pt).
    FAT TURRET PENALTY "CONSOLATION PRIZE": Wave 8 "Fat Turret" ships and beyond appear to get their first ~1-2pts of utility for free as mild compensation for the "Fat Turret Penalty" being a bit on the harsh side.  This is an evolution of the "Fat Turret Penalty." [Conf:B]
    GLASS CANNON PERIPHERY FLAW: Not technically a "rule" but a mistake on FFG's end regarding the current special rules for their own formula.  Ships on the periphery of qualifying for the glass cannon bonus are consistently weak, missing out on an estimated ~1 point of utility.  Take a good look at every ship in this category and you'll know what I mean.  See "What Ships Qualify for the Glass Cannon Bonus?" under "Trends in Pricing" for details.

    APPROXIMATE OFFENSE VALUES:
    ACCURACY CORRECTOR: 162.5% offense value (2.625-ATK standard)
    DORSAL TURRET: 200% offense value (2-ATK turret, 3-ATK standard)
    UNGUIDED ROCKETS: 175% offense value (2.75-ATK standard)

    [aaa-6] MAIN EXAMPLES:
    [agility] Example: [GLASS-C] 200% offense, 200% defense = A {B} <E=96.4%>
    [GLASS-C] = possesses a "Glass Cannon Bonus" (only on select small ships)
    [PERIPHERY] = barely not qualified to be classified as a "glass cannon"
    A = cost of naked stat line
    {B} = official cheapest cost pilot
    E = Efficiency.  Raw stats of "B" vs. a TIE-Fighter (similar to MathWing's Jousting Value).  This is not a good indicator of jousting ability for glass cannons and periphery ships.
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: How the community seems to feel about said ship, and how it compares to the formula.
    EXPLANATION: Meant to put into perspective what you're paying for, how much, and why.
    CONCLUSION: What does all this mean?  How does it relate to the balance of the ship?

    >>>>>>>>>> Now let's try to find the price of a ship ourselves! >>>>>>>>>>

    [3 agility] TIE-Interceptor: [GLASS-C] 200% offense, 100% defense = 18 {18} <E=100%>
    WALK-THROUGH: its 3-ATK is priced as 200% of a TIE-Fighter's 2-ATK, and it has identical defense value.  Therefor, it would see a 50% total increase in cost since offense is valued as half a ship's cost.
    12 * [(200+100)/2]% = 12 * 150% = 18
    18 * [(100+100)/2]% = 18 * 100% = 18 {identical to official price of 18}
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: The Alpha Squadron Pilot feels weak, but according to the formula its stats are perfectly balanced.  What could be missing?
    EXPLANATION: The TIE-Interceptor is the first of many ships to feature a "glass cannon bonus."  If you thought that its amazing dial and actions should cost something, then you are definitely right.  Most ships don't get that kind of dial and actions for free, otherwise the TIE-Interceptor's final (official) cost for an Alpha Squadron Pilot (PS1) would be 19-20pts.  However, because of its "glass cannon bonus," it's allowed to have them for free.
    CONCLUSION: Still, its bonuses were the most conservative of the bunch because FFG tends to price cautiously when doing something new.  You can expect other glass cannons to have slightly better bonuses with the newest ones being the most aggressively priced of the bunch.

    [1 agility] Y-Wing: 100% offense and 133% defense (8/6) compared to base 12 point model which is the 1-AGI equivalent of the 3-AGI TIE-Fighter
    12 * 100% = 12
    12 * 116.67% = 14 {official price is 18}
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION:  A naked Y-Wing feels extremely underpowered, and indeed it is.
    EXPLANATION: A Turret slot on a 2-ATK primary firing arc ships seems to be worth a lot.
    CONCLUSION: The Y-Wing was priced with the expectation that it would always be equipped with a turret.  Want to find out how much a Y-Wing w/title and Dorsal Turret should cost?  Read on.

    *DISCLAIMER*: Any deviations from official pricing does NOT mean the formula is wrong.  The reason why I put both numbers there is to put into perspective how much you are are paying (and in rare cases saving) for utility.  It is up to YOU to decide whether or not those precious points for utility are worth it.

    [aaa-7] YET TO CONFIRM:
    Where the exact cut-off point as to where a ship is entitled to the "glass cannon bonus."  It is likely 133% defense value and below.  The T-65 X-Wing, while efficient, may be missing out on its class bonus if it does indeed belong to the glass cannon subclass of small ships.  Also working on finding the efficiency for a 4-AGI ship or pseudo 4-AGI like the TIE-Phantom.

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    [BBB] REBEL
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    [1] ARC-170: 200% offense, 150% defense = 22.25 {25} <E=90.0%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Seems on the weaker side for its stats.  Formula Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Paying 2.75pts for PS3, named pilot ability, unique and powerful Astromech + Crew combo potential, and weak auxiliary firing arc.  Whether or not it's worth it is up to you.

    [2] Attack Shuttle: [GLASS-C] 200% offense, 88.9% defense = 17 {18} <E=94.4%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Seems decent enough, and price is as expected.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: PS3, unique pilot ability, a turret slot, and a crew slot are packaged at a discount price of 1pt as part of its "glass cannon bonus."

    [1] Auzituck Gunship: 250% offense, 150% defense = 26.25 {24} <E=109%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Everything is powerful.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: You're saving 2-3 points for the lack of K-turn and Target Lock.  This thing is sturdy as ****, is awesome for the stats, and is even able to keep more nimble enemies in arc thanks to its 180 degree frontal firing arc.  Add in some amazing pilot abilities, double crew, and great combos and you have a really amazing ship.

    [3] A-Wing: 100% offense, 133% defense = 14 {15,17} <E=93.3%, 82.4%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Was indeed overcosted by 2pts at release.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Missile slots appear to have paid ~2pt tax in the early stages of pricing ships.  Paying 1pt for a badass dial, unique 5 green straight, and good action bar.  Seems reasonable.

    [1] B/SF-17 Bomber: [FAT-T(C)] 200% offense, 200% defense = 27 (~23.63) {25} <E=108%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Stats are just decent for the cost. Nothing amazing. Use for the abilities and upgrades.
    EXPLANATION: If you're comparing generics then it has the exact same offense and defense percent rating as a Jumpmaster. This seems good until you realize that the Contracted Scouts boast an extra +2 pilot skill, a better dial including the coveted white Segnor Loop, and an EPT over the B/SF-17 Bomber. Although to be fair... Contracted Scouts are still unreasonably beastly even with the nerfs. Bombers aren't getting a whole lot for being ~1-2 points under their stat cost, especially considering that they lack a K-turn. Bottom line, running Crimson Squadron Pilots naked is kinda meh, so you're still better off running at least a few upgrades to highlight their strengths.

    [1] B-Wing: 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {22} <E=95.5%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Seen as slightly inefficient, but still a good ship.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Paying 1pt for PS2 and good upgrade bar (System, Cannon, Torpedo x2).  It is very consistent for System slots to be paying ~1/2pt tax.

    [3] E-Wing: [PERIPHERY] 200% offense, 166% defense = 24 {27} <E=88.9%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: No surprises here.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Paying a huge 3pt tax for an unused 3 AGI + Astromech + System combo.  Why?  Because regeneration (astromech) + high mitigation (agility, evade, etc) = overpowered.  This combo right here is a great example of why a flat formula for determining a ship's final price is a terrible idea. Unfortunately, a naked generic is paying the price which explains why we only see Corran Horn.  A -3pt retrofit title that removed the Astromech slot and gave it a minor ability worth ~1/2pt would very likely be enough to allow the generics to be viable.

    [2] HWK-290: [PERIPHERY] 26.3% offense, 111% defense = 9.5 {16} <E=???>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: When was the last time you saw a naked HWK-290?  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: This ship is designed to be played with a turret equipped.  Anything else is folly.  To determine whether or not the ship may be overpriced, I would need a turret that very closely mimics a primary weapon.  Turns out we have one.

    [2] HWK-290 w/Dorsal Turret: [PERIPHERY] 200% off, 111% def = 19 {19} <E=100%>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: Dorsal Turret treated as 2-ATK turret primary
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Well... this is odd.  Controversial.
    EXPLANATION: Very interesting... this ship is 100% efficient.  Well, you have to ignore the fact that it cant hit anything at range 3 with its turret and you're still usually rolling just 2 red dice but yeah.  It also appears to be getting +1 pilot skill and a Crew slot as compensation for the fact that it's incapable of landing attacks at range 3 with its turret and (let's be real here) its primary weapon.  Still "feels" a bit weak, though.  Since it qualifies as a periphery ship, my theory is that it is entitled to a partial "glass cannon bonus" that it is likely not receiving.  A great example of how a perfectly efficient stat line may not necessarily translate to a perfectly balanced ship.

    [1] K-Wing: 200% offense, 150% defense = 22.25 {23} <E=96.7%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Overcosted when naked, but still sees solid play.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Paying less than a point for a VERY impressive upgrade bar, PS2, and SLAM.

    [3] Sabine's TIE: 100% offense, 100% defense = 12 {13,14} <E=92.3-85.7%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Good, but pays a lot for utility.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: 1pt for PS3 and a pilot ability is simply amazing.  "Sabine's Masterpiece" at 1pt is very fairly priced, and you pay exactly what you would expect for a Crew and Illicit slot (both of which are usually priced at ~1/2pt).  This is also the cheapest Crew ship the Rebels have and the only ship aside from the YT-1300 that can have Illicit for them.  Very unique.

    [2] T-70: [PERIPHERY] 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {24} <E=87.5%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Supports theory that it was over-costed by 2pts at release.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: They likely didn't want to literally just replace the regular X-Wing, so they based the price for the T-70 on an already over-costed ship.

    [2] T-70 w/Integrated & 0pt Astromech: 200% offense, 155% defense = 23 {24} <E=95.8%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Even with "fix," it is indeed not as efficient as other ships.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: However, it's not supposed to be as efficient.  You're paying exactly one point for Boost, Talon Roll, PS2, and Tech slot.  You are also paying full price for any Astromech you equip.  Stays true to the 'all-around' nature of the original X-Wing featuring added fluff to its actions, upgrades, and dial at the cost of efficiency.

    [2] X-Wing: [PERIPHERY] 200% offense, 111% defense = 19 {21} <E=90.5%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Supports theory that it was over-costed by 2pts at release.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: PS2 and conservative pricing.  During the early stages of the game, they may have thought that it would be too powerful to have 5 in a squad.

    [2] X-Wing w/Integrated & 0pt Astromech: [PER] 200% off, 133% def = 21 {21} <E=100%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: With a 0pt Astromech, it is perfectly efficient.  Controversial.
    EXPLANATION: "Fix" put its stats perfectly in line with a bonus +1 pilot skill to boot.  Despite public opinion, the ship has indeed appeared in swarm in several 2016 regional lists, so it could just be that people are still hung up on it being terrible when it's actually not.  Fair warning, while the ship stats are now as efficient as a TIE-Fighter, the catch is that you are FORCED to pay full price for any Astromech you equip, so this ship is still not as efficient as a TIE-Fighter in practice because you are paying a minimum of 1pt of fluff for Astromech and pilot skill.  This explains why some people may "feel" that the X-Wing is still underpowered.  Remember, this also says nothing about named pilots being over or underpriced.
    *SPECIAL NOTE: There is also good reason to believe that it is entitled to a partial "glass cannon bonus" since its defense value is only 133%, and both the Heavy Syck and Protectorate Starfighter are each getting glass cannon bonuses at those defense values.

    [1] Y-Wing: 100% offense, 133% defense = 14 {18} <E=77.8%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION:  As expected, a naked Y-Wing is hugely over-costed.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: It appears that the Y-Wing was always expected to be played with a turret and later with possibly the title.  Let's find out how effective the title "fix" was.

    [1] Y-Wing w/title & Dorsal Turret: 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {21} <E=100%>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: Double attack treated as 200% offense.  Hurts more than a 3 ATK primary at range 1 while losing its secondary turret attack at range 3, so it kind of evens out.
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION:  Seems usable enough.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Would you look at that... it's priced PERFECTLY now.  Its dial is still mediocre, but it has the benefit of having an above average upgrade bar and PS2 as compensation.

    [2] Z-95: 100% offense, 88.9% defense = ~11.33 {12} <E=94.4%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION:  Solid swarm ship, but it's no TIE-Fighter.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Less efficient than a TIE-Fighter.  Paying 2/3 of a point for PS2 and Missile slot.

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    [CCC] IMPERIAL
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    [2] Alpha-Class Star Wing: 100% off, 155% def = 15.33 {18} 
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: As expected, no one ever runs this ship naked.  With one good upgrade, however, it turns into a menace. Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Since we already have a TIE-Bomber costing 16 points for 6 hull, anything less than 17 points would be unlikely.  Like most 2-ATK secondary turret users, its cost is balanced with upgrades in mind.  If we pretend a powerful ordnance, say Homing Missiles, followed by a turn of no attacking equates to roughly 3 attack dice on average (I'm just guessing here), we could expect the lowest cost pilot plus ordnance to cost around 22-23 points.  Even though I'm pretending something like a Homing Missile every other turn averages out to roughly 3 attack dice, in practice it's better because front-loaded damage is better than constant damage.  Also, with the introduction of better missiles, like Harpoon Missiles, this ship can stay quite potent for cheap.  Throw in SLAM, LRS, and good options and it's easy to see why the generics are so powerful.

    [3] TIE-Advanced: 100% offense, 166% defense = 16 {21} <E=76.2%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Holy overpriced ships, Batman!  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: During their early pricing days FFG figured that a Missile upgrade slot and Target Lock were worth 2pts each and +1 pilot skill was worth 1pt for 5pts total.  Evidence of Missile upgrade tax can further be seen with pre-retrofit A-Wings.  With the TIE/x1 title you are paying 5pts for Accuracy Corrector on a 2ATK ship, which is rather unique and a disproportionately big upgrade for them relative to a 3ATK or more ship, and it also makes it difficult to quantify.  Remember that Accuracy Corrector also frees up your actions, meaning you're able to tank up with Evade Tokens on a 3 AGI generic with a lot of HP.  That is all likely factored in.

    [3] TIE-Advanced w/Accuracy Corrector: 162.5% off, 166% def = 21? {21} <E=100%?>
    CALCULATED VS PERCEIVED OFFENSIVE VALUE: Assuming 21 is a balanced number, Accuracy Corrector on this ship would be equal to 2.625 red dice.  From my experience it does feel well above 2-ATK and below 3-ATK, so the numbers seem about right.
    EXPLANATION: Hard to quantify, but all of FFG's other fixes have been pretty spot on so far.  Believe in the FFG that believes in you.

    [3] TIE-Advanced Prototype: 100% offense, 133% defense = 14 {16,17} <E=87.5%, 82.4%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: No one seriously uses Sienar Test Pilots.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Paying 2pts for the only hard 1 green turns in the game, exceptional dial, PS2, and cheapest boost/barrel combo in game.  With title you have extra action economy and access to evade via TL.  Problem is... this ship's offensive value is holding it back, so while it's paying for unique dial/actions it can't DO ANYTHING WITH IT.  Especially since Sienar Test Pilots have trouble locking onto anything due to their low PS.  This explains why you don't see the generics; you're paying for mobility/utility/economy on a ship that can't utilize said mobility/utility/economy well enough.  Inquisitor is an exception since he actually has high pilot skill and does damage.

    [2] TIE-Aggressor: 100% offense, 111% defense = 12.67 {17} <E=74.5%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION:
    EXPLANATION: Never ever EVER run this naked!  This is designed to be played with a turret, Unguided Rockets, or something.  Now let's find out how good it is with Dorsal Turret.

    [2] TIE-Aggressor w/Dorsal: 200% off, 111% def = 19 {20} <E=95.0%>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: Dorsal Turret treated as 2-ATK turret primary
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION:
    EXPLANATION: You're paying 1pt for double Missile slots and PS2.  It's essentially an Imperial HWK-290 that costs 1pt more and lack of access to Pulse Ray Shield, and that doesn't sound appealing.  However, it DOES have access to TIE upgrades including Lightweight Frame and Twin Ion Engines, and it's the first small ship for Imperials to feature a Turret slot.  Still, I'm a bit worried about the viability of this ship like this.  It's true that it does have a base 2-ATK instead of 1-ATK, but I'm hoping it has a decent dial to make up for the 1 extra point it's paying over a HWK-290.  Now let's find out if equipping Lightweight Frame helps.

    [3] TIE-Aggressor w/Dorsal & LWF: 200% off, 139% def = 19-24 {22}
    *SPECIAL NOTE: Dorsal Turret treated as 2-ATK turret primary
    *SPECIAL NOTE: "24" assumes ideal conditions for LWF (which is rarely going to happen)
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION:
    EXPLANATION: If Lightweight Frame is assumed to have exactly 50% up-time, then on average a TIE-Aggressor w/Dorsal Turret and LWF has a stat line worth 21.5pts.  It's also the first turret ship to have 3 agility... so that's gotta mean something.  Equipping a TIE-Aggressor with LWF improves its efficiency just a bit, so I believe this is the way to go.

    [3] TIE-Aggressor w/UR & LWF: 175% off, 139% def = 17.42-22 {21}
    *SPECIAL NOTE: Unguided Rockets treated as 2.75-ATK standard primary
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Seems rather subpar.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: With UR & LWF, its statline averages 19.71 points for 21 points, which is pretty lame.  So unless you're running an AutoBlaster Turret + Unguided Rocket build or are using Double Edge, using Unguided Rockets on any TIE-Aggressor seems rather questionable.  The ship as a whole just isn't efficient enough.

    [2] TIE-Bomber: 100% offense, 133% defense = 14 {16} <E=87.5%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Needed help at first, and so it got a veteran's pack.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: 2pt tax for impressive upgrade bar and PS2.  Cheapest potential double crew in game.

    [3] TIE-Bomber w/LWF: 100% offense, 167% defense = 14-18 {18} <E=77.8-100%>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: "18" assumes ideal conditions for LWF (which is rarely going to happen)
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: n/a
    EXPLANATION: If Lightweight Frame is assumed to have exactly 50% up-time, then the TIE-Shuttle's stats are worth 16pts.  This means that it is still paying a 2pt tax for PS2 and cheapest double Crew slot in game.  This upgrade is mostly for flexibility when making a list and adapting to the meta.

    [3] TIE-Bomber w/UR & LWF: 175% offense, 167% defense = 19.25-24.75 {20} <E=96.3-124%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: n/a
    EXPLANATION: Stat line averages to 21.5 points... which is pretty darn good considering that I'm only treating LWF as 2.5-AGI instead of 3 and UR as 2.75-ATK instead of 3.  It looks like this can be a formidable jouster, and in best case scenarios is a makeshift TIE-Defender with a lot of quirky weaknesses.  Finicky... but potentially potent.

    [3] TIE-Defender: 200% offense, 200% defense = 27 {28,30} <E=96.4%, 90.0%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Sucked at first, now everyone and their dog uses it.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: FFG valued the white K-turn at ~3 points before.  The "TIE/x7" value brings it down to 1 above the estimated value not even including the evade token, meaning that the evade and white K-turn are now package priced for a whopping 1pt.  What a deal!  Also means you're paying 4-6pts with the TIE/D title for a cannon + normal attack, and people have trouble justifying that cost.

    [3] TIE-Fighter: 100% offense, 100% defense = 12 {12} <E=100%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: The golden standard for efficiency.  Checks out in spades.
    EXPLANATION: Perfection.  100% free of any and all variables.  The rock upon which all ships are priced.

    [3] TIE-FO: 100% offense, 133% defense = 14 {15} <E=93.3%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: People were unsure at first, recognize it pays for utility.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Paying 1pt for TL, arguably best dial in game, and Tech slot.

    [3] TIE-Interceptor: [GLASS-C] 200% offense, 100% defense = 18 {18} <E=100%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Public opinion says they are overpriced at PS1.  Controversial.
    EXPLANATION: I've noticed a trend... low PS glass cannon generics that rely on focus/evades for defense don't seem to do too well.  I suspect that this is because in order to do any reasonable damage, they need to spend their actions on offense leaving them even MORE vulnerable.  I suspect that all the TIE-Interceptor needs to be as good as its stat line suggests is someone like General Hux to pass out focus tokens to it.  This will give an Interceptor a much bigger boost than say if a B-Wing or T-70 generic had double focus.  Overall it is priced relatively appropriately, harder to use effectively, and the first ship to receive the "glass cannon bonus" (it gets its dial and actions at no cost).  However, its "glass cannon bonus" is the most conservative of the bunch.  When you compare it to the new glass cannons, it is highly likely that it up to 1pt over-costed (although it is the only generic glass cannon arc-dodger with evade on its action bar, so it DOES possess something unique).

    [2] TIE-Phantom: [?????] 300% offense, 88.9% defense = ~22.67 {25} <E=90.7%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Generics rarely see play, although not terrible.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Paying 2.33pts for PS3, Crew slot, System slot, and it's the only ship in game with native Cloak. Takes finesse to make the best use of its utility.  There are also too many variables to determine if it has a "glass cannon bonus," although based on comparison to the only other 4-ATK glass cannon in the game, the Heavy Syck w/HLC, it is extremely likely that it has one.  This means that it's paying more like ~3-5pts for its utility.

    [3] TIE-Phantom w/LWF: [?????] 300% off, 133% def = ~22.67-28 {27} <E=90.7-104%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Viable "fix" for generic Phantoms?  Maaaybe?  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: If Lightweight Frame is assumed to have exactly 50% up-time, then on average a TIE-Phantom w/LWF has a stat line worth ~25.33pts.  This means you are now paying ~1.67pts for native Cloak, PS3, Crew Slot, and System slot.  Does not factor in potential "glass cannon bonus."

    [1] TIE-Punisher: 100% offense, 150% defense = 15 {21} <E=71.4%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Poor Punisher... Cries.
    NO EXPLANATION: I have no explanation as to why FFG made this ship so horridly priced outside of its estimated range.  What was their reasoning?  Opportunity cost for slots?  If so, then why doesn't the K-Wing pay the tax at the same price?  It doesn't have an impressive or unique dial or action bar.  The only half-assed reason I can give is that aside from the TIE-Advanced, it is the only ship in the game with a primary 2-ATK dice that also has access to Accuracy Corrector, and the TIE-Advanced does it worlds better!  Rest in peace, good friend...

    See "Accuracy Corrector on 2-ATK ships" for more heart-wrenching details.

    [2] TIE-Punisher w/LWF: 100% offense, 200% defense = 18 {23} <E=78.3%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Will it fix the TIE-Punisher?  No... no it will not.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: It went from 6pts over its stat line to "only" 5pts over.  That's progress... I guess?  Oh, and did I mention that it means you have to get rid of your Guidance Chips or Long-Range Scanners?

    [2] TIE-Punisher w/UR & LWF: 175% offense, 200% defense = 24.75 {25} <E=99%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: People actually use it now!  Only occasionally, yes... but still!  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Wow, if you wanted to run a Punisher now as a beat-stick then you actually can.  Shame that it still sucks with ordnance, but hey... you can use it for something!

    [2] TIE/SF w/title: [PERIPHERY] 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {23} <E=91.3%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: As expected, it has a weaker stat line than normal.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: For all those that said it "felt" 2pts overpriced... they were right (if you exclude the TIE/SF's utility).  Surprisingly, however, the ship as a whole is priced relatively appropriately.  The catch is that you're paying exactly 2pts for stuff most of the time you don't necessarily want or need: a weak auxiliary arc, PS3, and good upgrade bar (System, Missile, and Tech).  PS3 is usually worth ~1pt, System is usually worth ~1/2pt, meaning the weak auxiliary arc is likely priced at ~1/2pt or less.  It's likely not underpowered, it just was never meant to be efficient for its stat line.

    [3] TIE/SF w/title & LWF: 200% offense, 200% defense = 21-27 {25} <E=91.3-108%>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: "27" assumes ideal conditions for LWF (which is rarely going to happen)
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: TIE-Defender stats in ideal conditions.  Debatable "fix?"  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Well, well, well... would you look at that!  If Lightweight Frame is assumed to have exactly 50% up-time, then the TIE/SF stat line is worth 24pts!  What does this mean?  It means you are paying HALF of what you used to be paying for its utility.  Weak auxiliary arc, PS3, and good upgrade bar packaged for 1pt is a pretty sweet deal, but you still have to get your money's worth out of said utility.  Otherwise, you're just wasting a point.
    [3] TIE Silencer: 200% offense, 200% defense = 27 {26} <E=108%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Huh... this is an oddity. Sienar-Jaemus Analyst seems great for the cost, yet it isn't used as much. Anomaly?
    EXPLANATION: It's like it's already receiving a glass cannon bonus, being 1 point cheaper and having +3 pilot skill. Yet, despite all this it still doesn't see as much play as I would expect. Personally, I'd say it's a combination of the TIE Defender is so much more durable and easier to use for 1 point more while also having a lot of negative attention for being a small-based ship in a large-based box and a big price tag. It's like... why would I want to buy this? Honestly, though, the Sienar-Jaemus Analyst seems like it would be pretty good.  This is easily one of the best Imperial generics.

    [2] TIE-Striker: [GLASS-C] 200% offense, 88.9% defense = 17 {17} <E=100%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: People seem to think the generic is alright.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: As expected, it is as efficient as a TIE-Fighter.  However, it gets its title for free as part of its "glass cannon bonus."

    [3] TIE-Striker w/LWF: [GLASS-C] 200% offense, 133% defense = 17-21 {19} <E=89.5-111%>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: "21" assumes ideal conditions for LWF (which is rarely going to happen)
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: People seem to think LWF is the way to go.  Controversial.
    EXPLANATION: Lightweight Frame on or off are both perfectly 100% as efficient as a TIE-Fighter assuming 50% up-time.  What Lightweight Frame does, however, is allow the TIE-Striker to adapt to the meta, adapt its price to fit different lists, and allow for greater expression of pilot skill for both players.  Still gets its title free as part of its "glass cannon bonus."

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    [1] G-1A: 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {23,24} <E=91.3, 87.5%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: As expected, it has a higher price than stat line suggests. Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: 2pts for PS3 and exceptional upgrade bar.  Crew, System, Illicit... none of those come free, and its dial still isn't that great.  Never run a generic naked.

    [2] Kihraxz: [PERIPHERY] 200% offense, 111% defense = 19 {20} <E=95.0%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Yuuuup... it is most definitely overpriced.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: It is paying exactly 1pt for its Illicit slot, which is about double what all other ships pay.  Whether you believe that 111% defense entitles it to at least a partial "glass cannon bonus" is still up for debate, although I'm inclined to say "yes."  This means that the Kihrazx is likely missing out on ~1.5pts of utility for its price at 20pts.

    [2] Kihraxz w/title: [PERIPHERY] 200% offense, 111% defense = 19 {20} <E=95.0%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Hey... it's usable now!  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Considering that it was initially around 2pts overcosted, I'd say that Vaksai are worth it if you personally feel that you're getting a good 3+ points of utility out of it.  No, loading it up with Munitions Failsafe or other filler garbage doesn't count.  This will get better with time.

    [1] Kimogila Fighter: 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {22} <E=95.5%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Costs 22-23 points, as expected.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: B-Wing stats.  PS3 by itself is usually worth an extra 1pt, and normally I'd believe all the utility on the ship would warrant an additional extra point.  However, due to how aggressive costs have been lately, my prediction of 22 points was spot on.  Everything seems accounted for.

    [3] Protectorate Starfighter: [GLASS-C] 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {20} <E=105%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Seems to be a decent enough generic.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: 1pt cheaper, amazing dial, and good action bar are packaged as part of its "glass cannon bonus" (see "trends in pricing" for details).  This is arguably the most aggressive "glass cannon bonus" in the game alongside the Heavy Syck w/Mangler, which comes as no surprise considering that the bonus is has gotten more and more generous each wave, slowing inching closer to where glass cannon generics should be.

    [2] Quadjumper: 100% offense, 111% defense = 12.67 {15} <E=84.4%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Way too much utility for me to analyze properly.  Unknown.
    EXPLANATION: Paying 2.33pts for reverse dial, unique upgrade bar (only Scum ship with Tech so far, cheapest crew in game, cheapest bomb in game), and potential Tractor Beam shenanigans.  That doesn't even include the 2pt mod, yet.  You're paying a LOT for utility, so make sure it's worth it.

    [1] Scurrg H-6 Bomber: 200% offense, 166% defense = 24 {24} <E=100%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Even before release, I saw that this thing was paying absolutely zero tax for any of its extensive options.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Yup, definite power creep.  This ship is getting its ENTIRE upgrade bar for free.  The dial isn't bad, and the pilot skills are good.  There's a good reason both the generic and unique pilots see a lot of play, even with "Genius" nerfs and such.

    [3] Starviper: [PERIPHERY] 200% offense, 166% defense = 24 {25} <E=96.0%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Supports theory that it is over-costed slightly.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Good action bar.  FFG anticipated that the Segnor Loop would be powerful enough to warrant a ~0.50-1.00pt tax since this was the first ship to feature it.  Apparently, they were wrong.  Once you account for the fact that it's a "periphery ship," the Starviper is likely ~2.0pts overpriced.

    [3] Starviper w/title: [PERIPHERY] 200% offense, 166% defense = 24 {22} <E=109%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Hey, it's usable now!  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Pricing seems spot on, and it has a nifty ability.  Honestly, I would have expected 23 points, but they have been handing out utility for free with the most recent waves.  22 is for the better, especially since it's still not the best generic out there but still not bad.

    [3] Syck (Light): 100% offense, 100% defense = 12? {12} <E=100%?>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: defense value does not account for paper mache hull
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Same stats and price as TIE-Fighter.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: At this point you're trading defense and lack of a Modification slot for utility in the form of PS2, Target Lock, and above average dial.

    [3] Syck (Medium): 100% offense, 100% defense = 12 {14} <E=85.7%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Of course it's overpriced.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: 2pts to give a TIE-Fighter PS2, Target Lock, and green 1 banks.  Bleh.  Easily ~1pt over-costed, and 13 points might still be too high for what you're paying for.

    [3] Syck (Heavy) w/Mangler: [GLASS-C] ~200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {20} <E=105%>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: offense value does not account for crit ability and treats weaker range 1 and stronger range 3 as cancelling each other out.
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Sucked bad before fix?  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: More efficient than a TIE-Fighter for its stat line, but there is a very good reason for that.  1pt cheaper and special crit ability are packaged as part of its "glass cannon bonus" (see "trends in pricing" for details).  Fix puts it perfectly in line with all other glass cannon generics.

    [3] Syck (Heavy) w/HLC: [GLASS-C] ~300% offense, 133% defense = 28? {23} <E=122%?>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: HLC treated as 4-ATK primary for calculation purposes
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Formula cannot account for HLC variables.  Unknown.
    EXPLANATION: This is a really tricky one.  It is most definitely receiving a "glass cannon bonus," but we can't tell for how much.  It can't crit, it's missing a huge amount of damage at range 1, and it is arguably the most glassy of cannons (up there with a TIE-Phantom).  However, you're saving anywhere from ~5-7pts for all that!  Is it worth?  I... don't know.  4-ATK glass cannons are really high-risk high-reward, so whether it's worth is up to you and how well you fly and protect it.

    [2] Z-95: 100% offense, 88.9% defense = ~11.33 {12} <E=94.4%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION:  Solid swarm and filler ship.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Less efficient than a TIE-Fighter.  Paying 2/3 of a point for Missile and Illicit slots.

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    [EEE] LARGE SHIPS
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    Large ships receive a 12.5% savings on their stats for being harder to maneuver and bigger targets.

    [agility] Example: [FAT-T] 200% offense, 200% defense = A (B) {C} <E=90%>
    [FAT-T] = possesses a "Fat Turret Penalty" (only on select large ships)
    [FAT-T(C)] = possesses a "Fat Turret Penalty Consolation Prize" (only Wave 8 and onward)
    A = small ship equivalent cost
    (B) = with "large ship bonus" factored in
    {C} = official cheapest cost pilot
    E = Efficiency.  Raw stats of {C} vs. a TIE-Fighter
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: How community seems to feel about said ship.
    EXPLANATION: This is meant to put into perspective what you are paying for, how much, why, and how it relates to the balance of the ship.

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    [3] Aggressor: 200% offense, 266% defense = 33 (~28.87) {36} <E=91.7%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Tough cookie, and indeed it is.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: ~7.13pts for PS6, unique pilot ability, exceptional upgrade bar (including the only Cannon x2 in the game), EPT slot, exceptional actions, exceptional dial, and free title access.  That's amazing!  You have to be understanding, though, that part of the reason this particular ship can afford to get away with such ludicrously insane bonuses for such a low cost is due to the fact that it's a big, fat, large ship with medium pilot skill that thinks it's an arc-dodger, and those things don't mesh well together.

    [2] Firespray-31: 250% offense, 222% defense = 33.83 (~29.60) {33} <E=103%>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: auxiliary arc priced as half-way between a turret and standard firing arc
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Seems overcosted.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: ~3.40pts for PS3, good upgrade bar, and free title access.  PS3 usually costs ~1pt, so the Firespray is likely ~1-2pts overcosted.

    [0] Ghost: 300% offense, 213% defense = 37.6 (32.9) {35} <E=107%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Seems alright.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: 2.1pts for PS3, exceptional upgrade bar, and unique Turret + System combo.

    [0] Decimator: [FAT-T] 300% offense, 213% defense = 37.6 (37.6) {40} <E=94.0%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Sees good, solid use.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: 2.4pts for PS3 and rare triple Crew slots.  Seems about right considering that Crew is usually valued at around half a point each and PS3 on bigger ships worth ~1pt.  Likely designed before the "consolation prize" for Fat Turrets was established, meaning there is an extremely high chance that a Patrol Leader is missing out on ~1-2pts of utility.  The crazy part is that this still sees use despite that.  Darth Vader and Palpatine are likely to blame.

    [2] JumpMaster 5000: [FAT-T(C)] 200% offense, 200% defense = 27 (~23.62) {25} <E=108%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Overpowered as balls.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: "Fat Turret Penalty Consolation Prize" allows a Contracted Scout to only spend ~1.38pts for EPT slot, PS3, exceptional upgrade bar, and unique Salvaged + Crew combo.  Oh, and did you notice something?
    CONCLUSION:

    [1] Lambda Shuttle: 200% offense, 166% defense = 24 (21) {21} <E=114%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Extreme efficiency.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: Yup.  Its exceptional upgrade bar and PS2 is paid for entirely by its poopy dial.

    [2] Lancer Pursuit Craft: 200% offense, 222% defense = 33.83 (~29.60) {33} <E=103%>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: auxiliary arc priced as half-way between a turret and standard firing arc
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Not sure...
    EXPLANATION: ~3.40pts for PS3, good upgrade bar, good dial, unique Illicit + Illicit combo, and the ability to rotate its auxiliary firing arc.  Sounds pretty fair, actually.  However, I would never suggest running a generic naked.

    [2] U-Wing w/title: 200% offense, 177% defense = 25 (~21.87) {23} <E=109%>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: "~21.87" assumes "Pivot Wing: Attack" is ALWAYS active for +1 AGI
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Still kind of new.
    EXPLANATION: ~1.13pts for PS2 and good upgrade bar (including System slot and double Crew slots).  That sounds about right, so its unique ability to K-turn in place is likely offset by the fact that it must lose a point of agility momentarily to do so.

    [1] U-Wing w/out title: 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 (~18.37) {23} <E=91.3%>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: title is worth exactly 3.5pts when in "Pivot Wing: Attack" mode
    CONCLUSION: 50% up-time on "Pivot Wing: Attack," U-Wing stat line = ~20.12 <E=100%>

    [1] Upsilon Shuttle: 300% offense, 200% defense = 36 (31.5) {30} <E=120%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Seems great.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: 1.5pt savings, monster stats, Coordinate action, and amazing upgrade bar all for the cost of a bad (but still usable) dial.  Because it takes up a good chunk of your force, this ship is more susceptible to being caught from behind, which is likely why it's so cheap for what you pay for.  All that firepower doesn't mean anything if you can't point it the right way.

    [1] YT-1300 Outer Rim Smuggler: [FAT-T] 200% off, 166% def = 24 (24) {27} <E=88.9%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Sucks... BAD.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: 3pts for double Crew slots.  Usually that's worth ~1pt, and so Outer Rim Smuggler is overpriced by ~2-3pts.  But wait!  There's more!  This is before the time of giving free utility to turret ships, so it's more like ~3-5pts overpriced.

    [1] YT-1300 Millennium Falcon: [FAT-T(C)] 300% off, 216% def = 38 (38) {38} <E=100%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Way better than the old generic, and indeed it is.  Checks out.
    EXPLANATION: 38-38-38... just look at those perfect numbers and tell me that this formula doesn't work.  100% spot on.  Getting PS3, double Crew, and a Missile slot for free as part of its very generous "consolation prize."  You may not see a Resistance Sympathizer used much since the named pilots are just amazing, but this is an excellent generic.

    [2] YT-2400: [FAT-T] 200% offense, 222% defense = 29 [29] {30} <E=96.7%>
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: n/a
    EXPLANATION: 1pt for PS2 and good upgrade bar.

    [2] YT-2400 Outrider w/HLC: [FAT-T] 400% off, 222% def = ~48.33 [~42.29] {42} <E=115%?>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: HLC turret treated as 4-ATK primary turret
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Feels overpowered and obnoxious to fight.  Indeed it is.
    EXPLANATION: Like the infamous JumpMaster 5000, the Outrider with HLC is NOT paying the "Fat Turret Penalty."  The fact that it has no range 1 attack and is supposed to offset that, apparently.

    [1] VY-666: 250% offense, 200% defense = 31.5 [~27.56] {29} <E=109%>
    *SPECIAL NOTE: auxiliary arc priced as half-way between a turret and standard firing arc
    FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Pretty good generic.
    EXPLANATION: ~1.44pts for PS2 and exceptional upgrade bar (including rare triple Crew slots).

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    [FFF] TRENDS IN PRICING
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    [fff-1] THE "GLASS CANNON BONUS": With no exception, every single squishy ship with 3-ATK and low HP has its lowest costing generic either 1pt cheaper than its stat line would suggest and/or has badass bonuses to its dial, upgrade bar, pilot skill, action bar, and/or has special abilities.  Kill or die trying.  FOR THE EMPIRE!

    Ships are determined to be "glass cannons" at FFG's discretion and feature ~1-2pts of free utility.  What this tells us is that FFG in play-testing noticed that this very specific combination of stats results in an overall weaker ship than their stat line would suggest.  In other words... glass cannon low PS generics = free points for enemy in playtesting.  The TIE-Interceptor bonuses were the first and most conservative of the bunch, explaining why we historically have not seen the generics often.

    All ships currently receiving the "glass cannon bonus:"
    [2] 88.9%-DEF Attack Shuttle: bonus upgrade slots, +2 pilot skill, and named pilot ability for 1pt
    [3] 100%-DEF TIE-Interceptor: excellent dial and action bar for free
    [2/3] 88.9/133%-DEF TIE-Striker: bonus title special ability and Segnor Loop
    [3] 133%-DEF Heavy Syck w/Mangler: bonus Mangler hit -> crit conversion ability and 1pt cheaper cost
    [3] 133%-DEF Protectorate Starfighter: bonus dial, action bar, and 1pt cheaper cost.  With title factored in, everything including the ability is "free"
    *NOTE: Notice that all of these ships have a defense value of 133% or less.

    [fff-2] WHAT SHIPS QUALIFY FOR THE GLASS CANNON BONUS?
    To qualify as a "glass cannon," a ship needs to have 200% or more offense.  "Squishy" is defined according to the data as 3-4 HP behind 2-3 AGI for a total defense value of 133% or less.  Whether you believe the Kihraxz (with 111% defense) should fall into this category is subjective, but according to the data it is currently not.  It is also unknown how much a TIE-Phantom and Heavy Syck w/HLC are getting for their "glass cannon bonus," assuming they even have one.  I have very strong reason to believe a Heavy Syck w/HLC does indeed have it, but there are too many variables to know for sure.  If we get rid of the "max 4 hit points" restriction, we notice a rather interesting trend...

    All other 2-AGI ships with 200% offense value and 133% or less defense value:
    [2] X-Wing w/Integrated and 0pt Astromech: 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {21}
    [2] TIE/SF w/title: 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {23}
    [2] HWK-290 w/Dorsal Turret: 200% offense, 111% defense = 19 {19}
    [2] Kihraxz: 200% offense, 111% defense = 19 {20}

    That's all of them.  Notice a trend?  See any of these guys tearing up the meta?  Now let's take a look at the 1-AGI ships with the same defense rating and see if they're just as terrible.

    All 1-AGI ships with 200% offense value and 133% or less defense value:
    [1] B-Wing: 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {22}
    [1] Y-Wing w/title and Dorsal Turret: 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {21}
    [1] G-1A: 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {23/24}

    Generic B-Wings actually aren't terrible.  It is possible that the lower agility a ship has for the same defense rating, the less likely it is to have a "glass cannon bonus."  The reasoning for this is likely because low agility ships are less reliant on actions like Focus for defense, thus allowing them to save their actions for offense or re-positioning.  Now let's look at 3-AGI ships with 200% offense and ONE more hit point than a Protectorate Starfighter.  You know... just to see if FFG is possibly being a little stingy as to what ships they believe qualify for the "glass cannon bonus."

    All 3-AGI ships with 200% offense value and 166% defense value:
    [3] E-Wing: 200% offense, 166% defense = 24 {27}
    [3] Starviper: 200% offense, 166% defense = 24 {25}

    Oh, my.  Well... that explains a lot.

    WHAT DOES THIS ALL MEAN?: It seems heavily implied by the data that the lower agility you go for the same defense rating, the less of a need a ship has for a "glass cannon bonus."  Look at every 2-AGI 200% offense ship and 133% or less defense value that isn't the Attack Shuttle (which qualifies as a glass cannon).  Public opinion says they all suck, and now we can understand why.  FFG likely believed that 2-AGI ships with more than 4HP weren't entitled to the bonus.

    My reasoning is as follows... if 3-AGI ships are entitled to a full "glass cannon bonus" and 1-AGI ships are entitled to little to no bonus then 2-AGI should be entitled to half a bonus.  It is also extremely likely that the Lightweight Frame on the TIE/SF is meant to do just that because the price its paying for its utility seems to be really, really good compared to other ships.  I would expect the "half glass cannon bonus" for those ships to be worth ~0.5-1.0pts, probably closer to the 1 point range.  This means that if you assume that the Illicit slot on a Kihraxz fighter is worth ~0.5pts, its stats are worth exactly 19, and its half bonus is ~0.5-1.0pts, then its official price of 20pts it is overpriced by ~1.0-1.5pts.  Sound about right?

    CONCLUSION - SHIPS LIKELY ENTITLED TO A PARTIAL GLASS CANNON BONUS:
    [2] X-Wing w/Integrated & 0pt Astromech: 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {21}
    [2] TIE/SF w/title: 200% offense, 133% defense = 21 {23}
    [2] Kihraxz: 200% offense, 111% defense = 19 {20}
    [2] HWK-290 w/Dorsal Turret: 200% offense, 111% defense = 19 {19}
    [3] E-Wing: 200% offense, 166% defense = 24 {27}
    [3] Starviper: 200% offense, 166% defense = 24 {25}

    All of these ships share something in common... they are sitting on the very edge of qualifying for a "glass cannon bonus" and everyone says they suck.  I think I just nailed a flaw in FFG's special rules for their formula.  ALL ships sitting on the periphery of the bonus are consistently weak.  There needs to be an intermediary bonus.

    [fff-3] THE "FAT TURRET PENALTY":
    Interestingly enough, it seems so far that small ships aren't allowed to take a 3-ATK turret primary weapon, and IF they did they would likely be paying at least a ~14.3% (100/87.5) tax as penalty.  Anything that qualifies as a "fat turret" that came out Wave 8 and onward is also getting its first ~1-2pts of utility for free (even if its not paying the penalty) as compensation for the turret tax possibly being a little on the harsh side.

    There are two ships that cheat the "fat turret penalty," and both of them have something that was supposed to offset the tax.  The JumpMaster 5000's dial was supposed to hinder it by make it more predictable, but quite frankly a white Segnor Loop on a turret ship is just all kinds of stupid.   The Outrider w/HLC is often called the "Donut of Doom," and rightly so.  It has the highest offense value in the game (400%), and it's saving ~6pts or more for its range 1 blind spot.

    [fff-4] ACCURACY CORRECTOR ON 2 ATK SHIPS:
    Only 2 ships fall in this category: the TIE-Advanced and the TIE-Punisher.  Now... let's assume that the TIE-Advanced fix made the generics appropriately priced.  We have very good reason to believe this since according to the data, EVERY SINGLE FIX that FFG made to ships has put them DIRECTLY on par with where their estimated values should be.  Assuming this is true, we can calculate the Accuracy Corrector to have a damage value of 162.5%.  Hey, that sounds about right!  Easily above 2-ATK but still feels well below 3-ATK.  We can now find out how much the TIE-Punisher should be priced assuming it takes an Accuracy Corrector.

    [1] TIE-Punisher: 162.5% offense, 150% defense = 19.6875 points
    19.6875 is how much a TIE-Punisher should cost assuming it's even going to use Accuracy Corrector at all.  Hey, that doesn't seem tooooo far off from 21pts (Cutlass Squadron Pilot), now does it? OH, WAIT!  We haven't paid for it, yet...

    (21 + 3) - 19.6875 = 4.3125 points overcosted assuming you even want Accuracy Corrector at all, and the only time you'd even want to do that on a TIE-Punisher is MAYBE on a dedicated bomber like Deathrain.  Don't want to use Accuracy Corrector? *kicks you in the groin* Tough luck.  You're paying the tax, anyways.

    [fff-5] TAXES - UPGRADE BAR:
    There are no concrete numbers for these.  These are on the more subjective pricing side, and I can only give you good estimates based on trends I see in the pricing of ships.  Anything worth "<0.25pts" indicates that they may be handed out at little to no cost at FFG's discretion.

    ASTROMECH: <0.25pts
    BOMB: <0.25pts
    CANNON: ~0.25-0.50pts
    CREW: ~0.50pts each
    ELITE: ~1.00pts
    MISSILE: <0.50pts (~2.00pts in early pricing days)
    SALVAGED ASTROMECH: <0.25pts
    ILLICIT: ~0.50-0.67pts
    SYSTEM: ~0.50pts (unless it's on a 2-ATK ship)
    TECH: ~0.25-0.33pts
    TORPEDO: <0.25pts
    TURRET: Its price is determined by the ship in question.  Often balanced with Dorsal Turret in mind.

    [fff-6] TAXES - OTHER:
    PS2: ~0.33-1.00pts
    PS3: ~0.67-1.00pts
    AMAZING ACTION BAR: ~0.25-0.50pts
    AMAZING DIAL: ~0.33-1.00pts (~3.00pts for pre-fix TIE-Defender)
    BOOST: ~0.25pts
    CLOAKING: ????? (too many unknown variables)
    COORDINATE: ????? (too many unknown variables)
    WEAK AUXILIARY ARC: ~0.25-0.50pts (TIE/SF & ARC-170)

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    I have confirmed that the B-Wing is indeed paying 1pt for its upgrade bar.  Ever since then, I have been getting nothing but clean numbers in my calculations.  Using a B-Wing stripped of its fluff as a model (21pts), a turret-less Y-Wing should cost 14 points.  If it's price is 14pts, then it should have a 33% defense increase relative to its 12 point hypothetical counterpart. Aaaaanddd.... TA-DA!

    [ggg-1] 2-ATK, 1-AGI, PS1 EQUIVALENT OF TIE-FIGHTER AND Z-95:
    2-ATK
    1-AGI
    6-HP
    12 points
    "relatively normal" action bar/dial/upgrades

    [ggg-2] 3-ATK, 1-AGI, PS1 EQUIVALENT OF TIE-INTERCEPTOR:
    3-ATK
    1-AGI
    6-HP
    17-18 points
    Whether or not it is 17 or 18 points is entirely dependent on whether or not FFG feels it is entitled to a "glass cannon bonus."  It is entirely possible based on play-testing that it may have no "glass cannon bonus" at all, and I'm inclined to agree.

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    [HHH] FINAL THOUGHTS
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    [hhh-1] IMPRESSIONS: According to my original model, the Kihraxz Fighter was more efficient than a TIE-Fighter.  Yeaaaaah... I knew something was wrong, but I couldn't figure out what it was until I realized that the Z-95 isn't actually 100% efficient.  Using the hypothetical 2/1/6 12pt ship derived from a stripped B-Wing as a guideline, I was able to properly deduce exactly what a 12pt, PS1, 100% efficient, 2-AGI ship should look like.  Ever since then, every previous anomaly fell perfectly into place.  It's a whole new world...

    [hhh-2] LEAST EFFICIENT STAT LINES: (exludes ships meant to be used with Turrets)
    Does not always mean they're underpowered, but there's a strong correlation since it means they pay a lot for utility.

    BY POINTS:
    ~2-3 = G-1A Starfighter
    ~2-3 = TIE-Advanced Prototype
    2.75 = ARC-170
    3.00 = Pre-fix A-Wing
    3.00 = Pre-fix TIE-Defender
    3.00 = E-Wing
    5.00 = Pre-fix TIE-Advanced
    ...
    wait for it
    ...
    6.00 = TIE-Punisher

    BY EFFICIENCY VALUE:
    87.5% = TIE-Bomber
    87.5% = TIE-Advanced Prototype
    84.4% = Quadjumper
    82.4% = Pre-fix A-Wing:
    82.4% = TIE-Advanced Prototype w/v1
    76.2% = Pre-fix TIE-Advanced
    71.4% = TIE-Punisher

    Former champ on both lists was the pre-fix TIE-Advanced at 5 points.  Then you know what came out to fix it? The Advanced Targeting Computer priced at... you guessed it... 5 points! Even if you do pay 1pt for title. According to FFG's formula, all "fixes" for adjusting underperforming ships to a proper price range have been 100% spot on, although the TIE-Advanced fix is hard to quantify.

    Oh, and for the TIE-Punisher... I don't even need to go there.

    [hhh-3] MOST EFFICIENT STAT LINES:
    This is NOT a list of the most overpowered ships in the game, although you can definitely see some trends.  All of these ships are cheating the cost of their stats somehow.  Half the list is receiving price discounts due the "glass cannon bonus," so all of those are expected.  However, there are two cheaters on here who managed to evade the FFG IRS team and weasel their way out of paying their "fat turret penalty" tax by claiming so-called "weaknesses" to balance them out.

    BY POINTS:
    1.00 = Protectorate Starfighter [GLASS-C]
    1.00 = Heavy Syck w/Mangler [GLASS-C]
    1.50 = Upsilon Shuttle
    ~3.4 = JumpMaster 5000 [FAT-T(C)]
    5.00 = Heavy Syck w/HLC [GLASS-C]
    ~6.0 = YT-2400 w/Outrider & HLC [FAT-T]

    BY EFFICIENCY VALUE:
    109% =JumpMaster 5000 [FAT-T(C)]
    109% = VY-666
    114% = Lambda Shuttle
    115%? = YT-2400 w/Outrider & HLC [FAT-T]
    120% = Upsilon Shuttle
    122%? = Heavy Syck w/HLC [GLASS-C]

    [hhh-4] CLOSING:
    Every since the dawn of time... (or maybe just the game) ... the player base has wondered... how does FFG price their ships?  With a formula?  A game of pin the tail on the donkey?  Now we know at least part of the puzzle...

    I must say, this took a while.  Hardest part of all this was figuring out the pricing for large ships.  I knew it was between 10-15%, but I couldn't understand why the Decimator seemed so insanely overpriced until I realized that it was sharing that same tax with other fat turret ships.  Everything is so clear now, and I am happy with the results to the point where I am 100% confident that this formula is exactly what FFG uses as their basis.  I just want to be clear, though, that I'm not saying FFG's formula is perfect.  In fact, I strongly believe that I found a flaw in their special rules to the formula regarding periphery glass cannon ships like the Kihraxz and Starviper, and FFG is still prone to misjudging how much utility can be worth (which is outside the realm of the formula).  I'm just saying that I found FFG's template.  Nothing more.  Whether or not you believe their template is perfect is an different story entirely, although from my extensive analysis... I'm inclined to say that it's extremely close to ideal balance.

    If any of you have questions or comments, please let me know in the thread!  I hope this has been very informative and insightful.  Be sure to share this knowledge with everyone!

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    CHANGELOG
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    02-18-17: Turns out that the X-Wing w/Integrated, TIE/SF, Kihraxz, HWK-290, E-Wing, and Starviper are all underpowered for the exact same reason.  Details in the "What Ships Qualify for the Glass Cannon Bonus?" section.
    02-17-17: Fixed the weird auto-formatting the new forum imposed on us.  Cleared up which ships get the "Fat Turret" free utility.
    12-30-16: Added small ship equivalents of large ships.  Improved guide clarity.
    12-31-16: HUGE UPDATE!  Refined 2-AGI formula eliminates all previous data anomalies.  I made the mistake of assuming that the Z-95 for either the Rebels or Scum was as efficient as a TIE-Fighter in terms of stats.  I was wrong.
    01-01-17: Refined damage formula to include 1-ATK through 5-ATK primary weapons.  Also added how Lightweight Frame affects the values of equipped ships.
    01-03-17: There is indeed an exact formula for the "large ship discount" as well as a special penalty for fat turret ships.  Also added several "Taxes" sections near the end of the guide giving general approximations for how much you're paying for a ship's upgrade bar, dial, and most other forms of utility it may possess.
    01-04-17: Added "most efficient ships" section.  Added clarity.
    01-05-17: Added "Fat Turret Penalty" section.

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    X7 basically is shield Regen.

    Gaining a Shield and an Evade token are, 90% of the time, functionally the same: they both give you one more hit that turn.

    The difference is R2D2 costs 4 points, prevents you from flipping around, and forces you go slow while also being unique.  X7 is not unique, is negative points, and allows you flip around or go fast.  So, X7 is vastly superior to R2D2, especially since it goes on a ship with 3 Agility and stacks with Palpatine (who is, when used on Green Dice, functionally the same as Regen).


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    I'm not affiliated with CSI, just a regular customer.  
     
    They've got the Shadow Caster and HOTR both on sale for $25 today only.  Darn good price, I assume they're trying to clear up some space for the new wave.  Strike while the iron's hot, friends.    
     
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    That's so true, Joe.  Plus their prices have gone up across the board.  Small ships used to be $9.99 as recently as early this year; now they're all $11.29.  I bought the YT-2400 there back in the day for $14.99!  That's unheard of nowadays.
     
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    I'm not affiliated with CSI, just a regular customer.  
     
    They've got the Shadow Caster and HOTR both on sale for $25 today only.  Darn good price, I assume they're trying to clear up some space for the new wave.  Strike while the iron's hot, friends.    
     
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    That's so true, Joe.  Plus their prices have gone up across the board.  Small ships used to be $9.99 as recently as early this year; now they're all $11.29.  I bought the YT-2400 there back in the day for $14.99!  That's unheard of nowadays.
     
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    I'm not affiliated with CSI, just a regular customer.  
     
    They've got the Shadow Caster and HOTR both on sale for $25 today only.  Darn good price, I assume they're trying to clear up some space for the new wave.  Strike while the iron's hot, friends.    
     
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