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    McFoy reacted to ViscerothSWG in Article: The Two Crucial Filmmaking Elements Causing All Your Movie Feuds   
    TL;DR:
    Storytelling matters. And storytelling encompasses writing, acting, filming, and everything else that goes into making a film. (Shocker)
     
    I disagree with his example stating that Thanos killing Gamora was unimpactful due to him not having an origin story movie prior to Infinity War. 
    TLJ had a bad story with bad writing. The good designs and sets and effects with the adequate acting wasn't enough for people to overlook the poor dialogue and story gaffes.
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    McFoy reacted to Hippie Moosen in Fan Re-Editting the Last Jedi   
    Unfortunately you can't edit your way out of the many problems with this film. honestly I would rank TLJ as the weakest file in the series, including prequels, largely because it fails completely as a film. Technically speaking, it looks gorgeous, it even had a few plot ideas that seemed fresh and interesting. Heck, it tried to create a morally ambiguous argument, in a flippin star wars movie. Unfortunately these positives are quickly undone by the script, and of course the director. it has massive issues regarding tone. it can't seem to decide which plot lines are important and which aren't.  plot contrivance and plot holes are everywhere. It's biggest crime though, has to be the fact that it's director seems to think that subversion is a virtue in and of itself, but clearly didn't have either the approval from Disney or the writing chops to make that subversion mean anything. The first 2 hours of this movie relentlessly tear at everything Star Wars about the film, telling us that Jedi suck, the Resistance sucks, Light sabers suck, and that pretty much every fond memory we have from the OG trilogy is BS, only for the 2nd or 3rd climax to backtrack absolutely everything setup prior in this one film. 
    Structurally the film is a mess. A New hope is effectively a single continuous story from start to finish with TFA following the same structure. Empire is two stories that start together, separate after escaping from Hoth, and rejoin each other by the end for our climax. ROTJ is a mix of the first two, following one plot line before splitting into three distinct but simultaneous climax's. TLJ is effectively 4 separate plot lines, meandering about until everyone is contrived onto the salt planet for the last of the films climax's. make no mistake there are at least 3 separate scenes that qualify, with each climax diminishing in weight and purpose as the film continues to limp on. Climax 1: Kylo kills Snoke and asks Rey to join him before... Climax 2: Holdo's sacrifice allows the heroes aboard the FO ship to escape down to the salt planet and join the surviving resistance before... Climax 3: Luke shows up out of nowhere to hold off Kylo, sacrifice himself, and allow Rey to get the rest of the Resistance to safety. It's that 3rd ending that really screws with things and completely destroys what the film was building to, which was quite obviously a subversion of classic star wars tropes and themes. while the entire movie seems to be smacking you on the nose with a rolled up newspaper for liking the original trilogy, the final end to this film is a big silly affirmation of those same tropes and themes we've been getting chastised over for literally two and a half hours. Honestly why couldn't they end the film in Snokes throne room? The notion that our hero and our villain could wind up working together in the next film is a much more interesting way to end things than what we have, which effectively is the old guard being killed off to make room for more of the same. If you break it down story beat for story beat, this film is structured more like a comedy of errors, than some kind of fantasy adventure. Characters are constantly making terrible decisions based on the results of their last terrible decision, until almost all 400 of the remaining resistance fighters are dead. The film ends with over 90% of the heroes gone for good, but it's all smiles and high fives aboard the Falcon as they zoom through hyperspace, evidently not giving a crap that most of their friends are dead.
    Rian Johnson comes across as this poor put upon guy who desperately wanted to make something original, but unfortunately confused originality with actively trolling the audience. It's not hard to see why, one of the biggest complaints regarding TFA is that it is just a soft reboot of a New Hope. under that premise TFA works just fine, it looks good, is lighthearted and fun, and competently introduces our heroes,  villains, and main conflict. But still Johnson couldn't stand to be accused of ripping off Empire. to avoid that accusation, he apparently took Empire apart, beat for beat, and then did the opposite for TLJ. The end result is a Star Wars movie actively rebelling against what the audience thinks a Star Wars movie should be. 
    TLJ is a movie that successfully spins it's wheels for the entirety of the run time. All it manages to accomplish is get a character killed whom the audience knew nothing of and cared nothing for, and kill off another character while simultaneously making sure you know he'll be back for the next movie as a blue ghost. At the beginning of the film we have a weak and battered Resistance running away from Snoke and the FO. At the end we have a now devastated Resistance continuing to run from the FO but now Kylo is in charge. Rey has been taught nothing, Kylo despite all his posturing is still just as evil and angry as he was at the start. The Subtext of this film wants to be "Star Wars has to change if it is to continue" while the film itself is an exercise in seeing just how little growth and change is needed before rolling credits. 
    Sorry to post such a long rambling mess on what appears to be a dead topic, but I really wanted to say some of this stuff. I care about Star Wars as a series, and want to see it continue. Like everyone on these forums I'm opinionated about this stuff, and wanted to share. Thanks for reading. 
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    McFoy got a reaction from Zarovichx in Fan Re-Editting the Last Jedi   
    Wasting his time polishing a turd.
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    McFoy got a reaction from Zarovichx in Fan Re-Editting the Last Jedi   
    Wasting his time polishing a turd.
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    McFoy got a reaction from GreenDragoon in [Blog] A Woman in a Man's World - The Rare Female X-Wing Player with guest writer Emily Rastl   
    *Tips power converter*
    M'Leia
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    McFoy reacted to SabineKey in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    Like I said, I haven’t read it and/or vetted it’s methodology. True or not, it really doesn’t matter to me. I have family members who don’t like TLJ and I’m going to go out on a limb here and say they aren’t Russian bots. Though, we also settled on agreeing to disagree a long time ago. 
    The whole NPC business is also one of those situations where it feels too easily employed to just label and ignore someone, so it likewise has my distaste.
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    McFoy reacted to SabineKey in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    The problem with both this study and your suggested one just provide a label to throw out to negate a point of view. I don't think any of the users who have posted in this thread about their dislike for TLJ are Russian bots, thus should not be ignored as such. Even if the conclusions of the study that sparked this thread are correct (I don’t know, I have not looked into it myself), there still are people out there who dislike TLJ and they shouldn’t have their opinions thrown away because bots were programmed to echo a similar sentiment.
    And this is all still true when you switch sides with your suggested study. There would still be non-“npc” Defenders who also should not be dismissed for the labels of others. 
    Thus we are left with two group who disagree, which is what we started with. The studies might be interesting, but both are, in my opinion, ultimately useless.
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    McFoy reacted to JJ48 in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    If that's so, then I honestly don't know what to tell you.  In the words of a Great (some may even say Grand) Moff, "This bickering is pointless."  I do like the new movies, and really don't want to end up hating the entirety of the new material just because one author is inconsistent.  So, I think I've gone as far as I reasonably can with this discussion, and I'm out.  May the Force be with y'all! 
    Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to my job of Garbage Collection.  (And by that, I of course mean emptying my cubicle's trash once a week, in addition to all my other duties.)
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    McFoy reacted to JJ48 in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    Oh, I 100% agree that intent matters.  I just don't see how people are getting that Finn's intent wasn't to try to protect his friends.
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    McFoy reacted to JJ48 in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    That argument works both ways, though.  Not knowing about the escape route, what's their alternative?  Let the First Order blast the front door and kill them even sooner?  Yes, the Resistance appeared trapped, but unless they all wanted to surrender right then and there, blowing up the cannon and hoping to fight long enough for help to arrive was the only realistic shot they had.
    1 - Maybe it wouldn't have, but it looked lined up well for a pretty good shot.
    2 - It buys them some time, which was the whole point of sending the skimmers out to begin with.
    3 - This is just silly.  If you have to fight a numerically and technologically superior foe, would you prefer to at least have heavy fortifications, or neither fortifications nor anything else?
    How does "I won't let them win!" show that Finn's driven by hate?  If he were fighting to protect his friends, he still wouldn't want the First Order to win.  Furthermore, if Finn is driven by hate, his plan is really, really stupid.  What, does he hate that particular cannon?  If he were aiming at Kylo Ren or Phasma, I might buy it, but you don't show hatred towards an evil empire by taking out one piece of equipment that doesn't really set them back too much.  The only way his plan makes sense is if he's trying to buy the Resistance more time.  If Finn acted out of hatred rather than a desire to protect his friends, then he was beyond misguided or confused; he was an utter imbecile.  I'm sorry, but from the first time I saw that scene to every viewing since, it absolutely screamed, "NOBLE SACRIFICE TO SAVE FRIENDS".
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    McFoy got a reaction from Varyag in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    TL:DR 
    This study was based on tweets specifically directed at Rian Johnson within an 8 month period after the release. It counted tweets from 967 separate users, of those 206 were negative and about 50% were from people labeled as bots/ trolls or politically motivated. In this particular sample it get's the authors point across but is a laughably small section of the actual discussion of TLJ.
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    McFoy reacted to kris40k in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    Sure, there is the possibility that it has been peer reviewed, but my point was that the evidence points that it has not:
    Pre-print on ResearchGate has a meaning, in general, it means that it is a draft and before review:
    When you publish on ResearchGate, the site allows you to indicate whether or not your paper has been peer-reviewed. In this case, as far as I can tell, the author has not indicated it has been. Its why I was wondering where the folks on this thread were getting their "how dare you try to stand up to peer-reviewed science!!!" stances.
    This aint that.
    And as far as the Russia bots/trolls bit, that one part of the paper that I didn't have a huge problem with Dr. Bay's (congrats to him, since he was a candidate when he wrote this paper) methodology. Its just the paper does not do a good job of defending itself when going into how he categorized people as "political activists" as opposed to "actual Star Wars fans."
    Maybe we'll see a another draft that has been reviewed later. I just don't want to see people holding this up like its some holy grail of infallible* science. Not yet.
    *Of course, science is never infallible, should always be questioned and gets stronger when it can be defended. Questioning it is a good thing.
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    McFoy reacted to kris40k in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    So, he sets aside as "politically motivated", anyone who has tweets that use any sort of political language or commentary, and rarely about Star Wars, in addition to having some personal tweets with no hard definition or criterial, just the author's personal opinion. Seems like saying "SJW" or "#MAGA" once or twice gets your opinion tossed aside into the "political activist" column and you aren't a "real" Star Wars fan.
    Being that those were the majority of the 50.9% "trolls, bots, or political tweets" (61 of them), me thinks his methodology needs serious work and this is junk science.
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    McFoy got a reaction from HedgehogNL in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-last-jedi-was-targeted-by-russian-trolls-study-says-1148475
    Those pesky Russians, always ruining America's great institutions.
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    McFoy reacted to bernh in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    On topic.
    Star Wars franchise has huge fanbase in Russia. There are few people who know nothing about Star Wars. For example, original trilogy ran at cinemas in USSR - rare case for US films.
    Many people in Russia dislike Last Jedi (though not me, but it is almost bad manner to talk amongst SW-fans that you liked Last Jedi ).
    Also there are numerous web resources (2ch and others imageboards) where teenage trolls chatting. So it is not uncommon for troll flashmobbing some celebrities. Especially, so hated and funny reacting as Johnson. His past statement about Russian trolls provoked even more schoolboy trolling flashmobs (many of them not Russians maybe - just pretend to be Russians to troll Johnson).
    As to Johnson: he tries to lift his own problems on Russian trolls, using modern trend US paranoia about some Putin-inspired cyber-attacks. 
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    McFoy got a reaction from Varyag in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    TL:DR 
    This study was based on tweets specifically directed at Rian Johnson within an 8 month period after the release. It counted tweets from 967 separate users, of those 206 were negative and about 50% were from people labeled as bots/ trolls or politically motivated. In this particular sample it get's the authors point across but is a laughably small section of the actual discussion of TLJ.
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    McFoy got a reaction from HedgehogNL in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-last-jedi-was-targeted-by-russian-trolls-study-says-1148475
    Those pesky Russians, always ruining America's great institutions.
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    McFoy reacted to TasteTheRainbow in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    The outcome of the 2016 election was well within polling margins of error. This myth that the polls were wrong needs to go away.
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    McFoy reacted to Frimmel in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    The Eighties called. They said they'd like their foreign policy back. 
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    McFoy reacted to HedgehogNL in Rank the Disney-era Star Wars Films   
    Exactly the same ranking as you. Rogue One is the only movie that lived up to the expectations for me. The Force Awakens was nice, had some nice moments for fans and seemed like an introduction for new viewers, but then The Last Jedi was just crap. Or at least when I left the theater; now I've watched it on Netflix I'm milder, but still think it's not a good movie. Solo was entertaining, but not epic like Rogue One
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    McFoy reacted to mithril2098 in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    Keep in mind that it is the trolls and other toxic fans which are the ones going out of their way to harass Johnson and the others online. The non-toxic fans which dislike the film's for more reasonable things generally aren't going around harassing the Disney staff or threatening the actors.
    So of course Disney is going to assume that the only people who dislike it are the toxic fans.. Because those are the only ones they've seen voicing dislike. The nontoxic fans are largely quiet about their dislike or voice it in parts of the internet the Disney staff doesn't frequent.
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    McFoy got a reaction from HedgehogNL in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-last-jedi-was-targeted-by-russian-trolls-study-says-1148475
    Those pesky Russians, always ruining America's great institutions.
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    McFoy reacted to Ambaryerno in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    My only concern is that now anyone who expresses their dislike of TLJ because it's simply not a good movie are going to get jumped on and lumped together with the trolls.
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    McFoy reacted to Scopes in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Negative Buzz Amplified by Russian Trolls, Study Finds   
    Dammit! I've been outed as a Russian Bot! 
    And the comments for the article are comedy gold, approaching AINC levels of hillarity. 
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