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  1. A paint job doesn't. Extensive internal modifications do. The actual cockpit has plenty of space in it for two, it's just that it's not set up that way. Must have missed the part where they rip out the interior, Must have been quick since they immediately had one of them riding parrot when they stole it.
  2. I didn't like the shadow caster in Rebels itself but having seen the model, they did a **** good job. It looks substantially better than the show would suggest. Tangental gripe though, the rebel TIE is annoying but the title especially is. How is it a paint job allows room for a crew member.
  3. Einstein's theories are just like many scientisteories sicne there is always a tiny tiny chance that they may be disproven...so dont under sell his theories one bit. Especially since in science theories are all many can get, ever, and that is because science is that way.I'm sure your theories in whatever they may be, and the same goes for mine with my profession of history (though some have been proven through archaeological evidence) are no where near as extraordinary as Einstein's so please dont think they are, I sure dont. yes youve been tolerable more than once in thepast, today not so much! As for adding a cannon to the Interdictor/Punisher, yeah I highly doubt FFG will ever do that...and it still would be overcosted (even if they did it like the Defender). And it wouldnt have a proper Imperial aesthitic, we've already established that the Punisher does suffer from EUitis, that you hate so much! while the gunboat doesnt, and fits the Imperial aesthetic better due to its similarity to the Lambda but still not berserk look since it doesnt have too many **** tubes on it (like we also established that you want to put on it). With no point reduction you can slap a mangler cannon on it for a total of 25 points, fly four of those puppies and there you have it. Even if it suffered from 'EUitis' (a gem of a term, where did you come up with that?) it's still distinctly a TIE thus of the imperial aesthetic. I am skipping all the silly Einstein trolling and flame-bait you keep on smearing on your posts. I had enough of that back when both the Internet and I were younger. It was fun for a while, but been there, done that. Still, there is some little pearls of honest discussion hiding below the all that chaff, so I will focus on them. I hope you don't mind. I will let the others here feed your trolling as they please. I am not going to convince you. That is impossible nowadays with most debates, where two throw arguments at their peer while remaining impermeable to the other's arguments. Most people don't debate to find the truth, but to shove theirs into everyone else's face. However, I will rebate the two points that I quote. The TIE Bomber is a good design, in the sense that it has quality. It displays an entire new role for a ship, while retaining the identity of being a TIE. Those were the goals for the design and it nailed them. It's different enough to be something else, while similar enough to be recognizable. Also, it looks functional for its role. What about the Gunboat? You may like it or you may not for personal taste. But it follows the same principles than the general design of the TIE Bomber or other good designs. It needs to fulfill a totally different role than that of the lambda, while somehow reminding of it. In particular, it needs to be a single man fighter with atmospheric dexterity, while able to act as a semi-heavy strike fighter. I do think its design nails the goals too. Smaller hull, elongates cockpit for better visibility, s-foil winglets for atmospheric maneuverability (first deployment of the Gunboat was for protecting and supporting AT-AT against rebel fighters), sizeable cannon and missile pods for their main role, while still looking somewhat bulky and easy to hit because of their multidirectional wingspan because it has to be a heavy fighter, not a nimble interceptor. It looks similar to what it has to look similar to, but it is at the same time totally different, and above everything, it looks functional. Now, the TIE Punisher. You say that the gunboat is a something like a rushed or careless design, while you praise the Punisher. The Punisher IS a careless and rushed design. It's not just my opinion. It just is. The Punisher appeared first on Galactic Battlegrounds. A clone of Age of Empires II with a Star Wars skin. If you have played any of the Age of Empires series, you know that every faction have some units that fulfill a particular role, and you can upgrade them. Whenever they are upgraded, their looks changes a little bit by adding more details or more armor pieces to it. That is intentional, because the unit is supposed to be the same, only slitghtly more "bling" on it. The same happened in Galactic Battlegrounds. You started with the TIE Bomber, and any successive upgrade you acquired for bombers as reflected on the looks of the ship by adding more chunks of hull, engines or pods. The first upgrade to the TIE Bomber was this: Basically just adding another pod. The second upgrade was what we now know as the TIE Punisher. Just adding another pod. Is that a good way to design new ships? What happened with "Stay similar, but look totally different"? The design of Galactic Battlegrounds' "TIE Bomber upgrade tier 1" and "upgrade tier 2" is just consistent with the internal logic of that series of games. They weren't meant to be different units. They were just the same unit pimped once or twice with extra upgrades. You cannot use that kind of design for actually creating an entirely new ship because that would be beyond lazy and derivative. That is what a 3D artist needing to complete tier 2 and tier 3 versions of other hundred units in the game would do. Something rushed and careless just to get it done. The gunboat doesn't look like a lambda pimped in 5 minutes to get it done. It is a design done from the ground up to make it work as a strike fighter, while retaining the trademarked "origami swan" shape that is common to all Cygnus Spaceworks ships (did you know "Cygnus" is "Swan" in latin?). All ships that you create that must resemble a swan will somehow remind of the lambda shuttle, because of course it was the first one we saw. You can bypass the Einstein bit, thats fine. The next stage is to misquote him in stupid voices and that doesn't translate at all into text anyway. It's funny how you mention the tiny pearls honest discussion whereas I see tiny pearls of awareness that just aren't quite on the surface yet. All these arguments you make basically amount to 'The Punisher is stupid while the Gunboat has this long storied history and is capable of this and that and this and that'. It's fluff you use to prop up your standpoint but none of it matters in the context of why it should be released. I'm arguing from a position of strength because the Punisher has a already been released, any issues you have with it besides how it looks are moot because it's been invested in enough that they'll fix it as they see fit. You're right that neither of us will convince the other especially since we seem to be discussing subjective elements primarily. Does the Punisher look silly? Yes absolutely. Do I still like it? Yes absolutely Why? I love the TIE bomber and this to me is just a TIE bomber+ I didn't mean to imply that the gunboat design was rushed or careless, I know for a fact that I took meticulous care when I drew my spaceships. 7 year old me can be credited with the following designs: Gunboat, Punisher, YT-2400, E wing, A-9, several uglies, the quadjumper, and a rad looking lizard with jet boosters and rocket launchers on either side of him. There are certainly similarities between the shuttle and gunboat, they both have more than one wing for example. I think though that the common folk who don't have 100 TOD's or dare go into this thread would make the connection that easily and see a case of 'you got your star citizen into my star wars' instead. Still not opposed to it's release I just don't see it as inevitable like you all do.
  4. Punisher errat to add a cannon, now I know you are either really dumb (which I doubt, though if you are serious on the Einstein part you flat out are ignorant!) or just trolling! I honestly think you are just a troll at this point on this thread, McFoy. You are fine at times on other threads, but on this one you are seriously just annoying. Please just go away. I'm glad that I am occasionally tolerable. Einstein was a standup guy, he had some pretty wacky hair and there's the one picture where he is sticking his tongue out so i guess he had a sense of humor too. His most famous works though are just theories, anybody can come up with theories. I have a few I could share if you want. So yeah, nothing impressive. Adding a cannon to the Punisher would be really easy, just release a title. If they do that then you have everything you want from the gunboat available in game in one ship, cannons, missiles, torpedoes, slow dial, beefy ship, system slots with the added benefit of boost and bombs. It's basically the perfect ship with a proper imperial aesthetic.
  5. Sorry McFoy, you are far from Einstein in much of anything, from what I've seen here today. If you really respected Einstein you wouldnt have made that silly post either. But on the subject of the Gunboat, yourtaste obviously varies from most of ours. You seem to like the Punisher, I and I'm guessing at least several others do not. Fine. But when you say that you like the Lambda and that it is pleasing to you aesthetically, and then say that the gunboat isnt Imperial looking enough for you or pleasing to you. Your argument has completely dissolved. Especially when you say it has suffered from EUitis..the Punisher is suffering from exactly that problem look at that damned ugly thing! Oh and not to mention in the game it was released it didnt fly in space all that much (if at all) that I can remember- the TIE Interdictor was mostly a skimmer...and for some reason the designer that made it for Xwing, decided he liked the Multiple-tumor-TIE-bomber enough but not its name! Then why even bring it into Xwing if you really dont like it enough to use its name. The point is that your argument on aesthetics is situational to the person, and yet bringing up EUitis is not going to cut it, when the same argument can be used to even greater effect on the ship that got released instead of the missilboat and Gunboat, the Punisher..it has EUitis possibly worse than any ship in the entire Star Wars universe!!!!! You won't get into discussion on design, yet that is one of the many reasons some of us WANT the Gunboat, and the reason I want the MissileBoat. The SLAM action on the Missile Boat is the reason that the Kwing and Missile Boat not the Punisher should have been released together....but FFG wanted the TIE Engine Mk2 to come out, which they should have doen in the following wave, or released Imperial SLAM MissileBoat the next wave. Then when we get to talking about the design of the Gunboat, it would be a Imperial version of the BTL-A4 Ywing for Imperials but using a cannon, and missiles (with hopefully an option of torps instead). That would be very different from almost anythign the Imperials have and would be amazing from a game play perspective!!! What did the punisher bring into to the table, hmmm, a Systems slot on the TIE bomber and some shields, not really all that much. Something that could have been accomplished with a title for the bomber like the Advanced (though I admit that is copying things). Though both the Gunboat and Missileboat could have had a Systems slot, and both have shields, so boom,the Punisher becomes irrelevant if theyd of made them (and honestly I hope Punisher does become irrelevant if and when the release the boats). I'm definitely no Einstein, I certainly won't be credited with the invention of the Chronosphere or Prism towers. Not sure why I should respect a video game character though. I love the shuttle model and I adore the bomber model. Punisher is just more bomber so how could I not love it. The gunboat has similar structure to the shuttle but loses the cockpit and downward nose and the wings don't go down far enough. Possibly if the missile pods on the side were rounder and there were 4 of them instead of 2. I would also adjust the wings so the they sort of deploy around the ordnance pods and had solar panels on them as well. That'd be a good change. As far as design goes, you all have pretty thoroughly fleshed that out. I'll still maintain that its roles have already been supplanted though by the Defender (Cannons), Punisher (Ordnance), and Shuttlle (Cygnus Aesthetic). TIE Defenders outclass every fighter except the fastest interceptors and super-heavy bombers in their roles. Trying to compare overgen or superiority craft to multi-role strike-fighters never works, much to the chagrin of F-35 fanboys. The Gunboat fit the niche of a Assault Fighter-bomber to take on missions regular TIEs couldn't. The only Imperial craft capable of doing the same mission profile was the TIE Defender, which is over costed and had the facilities to produce it destroyed during Zaarin's attempted coup along with the Avengers. I'm excluding TIE Oppressor s and TIE Hunters for a reason, one was an experimental craft and the other was solely used by Storm Commandos. The most important thing you forget is that all three roles you blurted out are subjective. Starwings are cheaper than Defenders even if you get rid of ion cannons or trtractor. Punishers are completely situational and over priced, and lastly you threw in aesthetically because you have no real credibility to your opinion. The only real reason why you're not going to see a Gunboat is because of FFG comforming to Disney and riding the New gen hype train. Yes
  6. Further disgracing one of the greastest minds in history...even if trying to get in a good videogame reference doesnt fully excuse you, comes close though, but moving on.The TIE Interdictor/Punisher "is more bomber"- is the reason I said it suffers from EUitis, yet you like it and fault the gunboat for EUitis, that is a ne and special kind of denial and stupidity if I've ever seen it. That is the reason the Punisher looks so dumb, they tried to out-do a good design by one upping it by putting on more stupid pods. ..and it came out as if a Tie Bomber got cancer or got "terrible Pod implants" Look at the TIE Striker now, it looks fine, at least pod wise, since there is a thing called "less is more." And you really dont seem to understand that. Then you say that the gunboat needs 4 pods, but have you looked at the Missile Boat it has 4 pods, so you must LOVE THAT if you use your logic..but your logic isnt actually logic since your logic isnt logic, its complete wishywashy opinion that you cant even stick with one set of reasoning of why you like things. and also by your logic (aka wishywashy opinions) you should like the gunboat twice as much more than you like the Lambda. It has 2 missile pods on it, and 2 more wings on it than a Lambda . But again your logic isnt logic and isnt sound. And lastly the part about the gunboat being supplanted by the TIE Defender, and the Punisher and the Lambda shuttle...um what? It is a bit of each of the first two in game play, actually mixing pars of both of them into one chassis...so thus isnt supplanted by them. To get what the gunboat brings to the table youd have to take both a Punisher and a Defender in the same list, and then each of them would do only half of what a Gunboat could do! Half at best! And then you think that the Lambda brings the aesthetic to the table well how is that gameplay? Oh ight it isnt! Most if not all of your argument is really really poor!!!! Einstein wasn't so great, basically every grade schooler knows E=MC2 so we have like entire generations of Einsteins. There's even a show called Little Einsteins and there's five of them. Nothing really impressive. With the Punisher they took a good design and made it better by adding more of what made it good. With the gunboat they thought 'maybe it's the wings?' so they added two little dinky ones then took out the troops and added missiles. The missile boat is even sillier. Getting rid of the biggest wing and adding two more pods with duck tape or something. Neither of those ships can even drop bombs so they'll never be worth it. If we wanted cannons and ordnance in one chassis they should jsut errata the Punisher to include cannons. That'd make more sense than adding an entire ship.
  7. You meant you want this Grade 2 art project back: That's also one of mine. I drew inspiration from my micro machines.
  8. Sorry McFoy, you are far from Einstein in much of anything, from what I've seen here today. If you really respected Einstein you wouldnt have made that silly post either. But on the subject of the Gunboat, yourtaste obviously varies from most of ours. You seem to like the Punisher, I and I'm guessing at least several others do not. Fine. But when you say that you like the Lambda and that it is pleasing to you aesthetically, and then say that the gunboat isnt Imperial looking enough for you or pleasing to you. Your argument has completely dissolved. Especially when you say it has suffered from EUitis..the Punisher is suffering from exactly that problem look at that damned ugly thing! Oh and not to mention in the game it was released it didnt fly in space all that much (if at all) that I can remember- the TIE Interdictor was mostly a skimmer...and for some reason the designer that made it for Xwing, decided he liked the Multiple-tumor-TIE-bomber enough but not its name! Then why even bring it into Xwing if you really dont like it enough to use its name. The point is that your argument on aesthetics is situational to the person, and yet bringing up EUitis is not going to cut it, when the same argument can be used to even greater effect on the ship that got released instead of the missilboat and Gunboat, the Punisher..it has EUitis possibly worse than any ship in the entire Star Wars universe!!!!! You won't get into discussion on design, yet that is one of the many reasons some of us WANT the Gunboat, and the reason I want the MissileBoat. The SLAM action on the Missile Boat is the reason that the Kwing and Missile Boat not the Punisher should have been released together....but FFG wanted the TIE Engine Mk2 to come out, which they should have doen in the following wave, or released Imperial SLAM MissileBoat the next wave. Then when we get to talking about the design of the Gunboat, it would be a Imperial version of the BTL-A4 Ywing for Imperials but using a cannon, and missiles (with hopefully an option of torps instead). That would be very different from almost anythign the Imperials have and would be amazing from a game play perspective!!! What did the punisher bring into to the table, hmmm, a Systems slot on the TIE bomber and some shields, not really all that much. Something that could have been accomplished with a title for the bomber like the Advanced (though I admit that is copying things). Though both the Gunboat and Missileboat could have had a Systems slot, and both have shields, so boom,the Punisher becomes irrelevant if theyd of made them (and honestly I hope Punisher does become irrelevant if and when the release the boats). I'm definitely no Einstein, I certainly won't be credited with the invention of the Chronosphere or Prism towers. Not sure why I should respect a video game character though. I love the shuttle model and I adore the bomber model. Punisher is just more bomber so how could I not love it. The gunboat has similar structure to the shuttle but loses the cockpit and downward nose and the wings don't go down far enough. Possibly if the missile pods on the side were rounder and there were 4 of them instead of 2. I would also adjust the wings so the they sort of deploy around the ordnance pods and had solar panels on them as well. That'd be a good change. As far as design goes, you all have pretty thoroughly fleshed that out. I'll still maintain that its roles have already been supplanted though by the Defender (Cannons), Punisher (Ordnance), and Shuttlle (Cygnus Aesthetic).
  9. One is a fully realized design with actual screen time in a non niche format. The other is from my Grade 2 art book and I would like it back please.
  10. As long as we can all agree that there should never, ever be a Tyderium shuttle title you guys do you.
  11. Despite how I make it seem on occasion I don't oppose it's inclusion, I just find the fanaticism amusing (alarming). You folks just get reliably riled up.
  12. Two things stand out as shocking to me there: 1. All those non-TIE ships have yet to be released and are all EU sans the broad Clone wars designation 2. What you find aesthetically pleasing is different from what I find aesthetically pleasing. I need to think on this revelation.
  13. Purely aesthetic, I won't delve into design mantra.
  14. I won't disagree that TIE do the exact same thing. Star Wars in general has long suffered from a lack of good original design.
  15. Aesthetically the Lambda is my favorite FFG model, stark white with bold black lines. Certain renders of the gunboat are quite nice looking as well but I think it suffers from EUitis much like the YT-2400 or E wing. Discount versions of the original designs that I'd have drawn back in elementary school or you'd find on deviantart with 'OC do not steal' plastered on it.
  16. The Gunboat threadmaker challenged his fellow posters with this question. Did FFG create everything that exists? A poster bravely replied, "Yes, they did!" "FFG created everything?" The threadmaker asked. "Yes sir", the poster replied. The threadmaker answered, "If FFG created everything, then FFG created the TIE Punisher since the TIE Punisher exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are then FFG is stupid. The Gunboat is a better choice". The poster became quiet before such an answer. The threadmaker was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the posters that he had proven once more that the inclusion of the TIE Punisher over the Gunboat was a grievous error. Another poster raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question threadmaker?" "Of course", replied the threadmaker. The poster stood up and asked, "Threadmaker, should the Gunboat be released?" "What kind of question is this? Of course it should be released. Have you never played TIE Fighter?" The posters snickered at the young poster's question. The young poster replied, "In fact sir, the Gunboat should not be released. According to the laws of Canon, what we consider the Gunboat is in reality only Legends. Every imperial ship is susceptible to discussion when it has existed in Star Wars, but the imperial aesthetic is what makes a ship more likely to be released. The Gunboat does not possess this. We have created this desire for it to be released to display how we feel if we don’t like what FFG releases." The poster continued, "Threadmaker, should the DX-9 be included?" The threadmaker responded, "Of course it should." The poster replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, the DX-9 should not be released either. The DX-9 would bring unnecessary mechanics such as boarding or double systems slots. System slots we can use, but not boarding. How can you know how useful a certain mechanic is? You imagine how thematic it would be in the context of a dogfight. Isn't this correct? Dead on Arrival is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no usefulness to a ship when it is released." Finally the young man asked the threadmaker, "Sir, is the TIE Punisher stupid?" Now uncertain, the threadmaker responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of it’s useless role in the meta. It is in the multitude of ordnance pods on it’s frame. These manifestations are nothing else but stupid." To this the poster replied, "The TIE Punisher is not stupid sir, or at least it not stupid unto itself. The TIE Punisher is simply the product of LucasArts. It is just like the Gunboat and DX-9, a ship that man has created in the absence of FFG. FFG did not create the TIE Punisher. The TIE Punisher is not like the Raider that is canon just as the T-65 and TIE Fighter are. The TIE Punisher is the result of what happens when man does not have FFG's love present in his heart. It's like the Gunboat that comes when there is no aesthetic sense to it or the DX-9 that comes when there is no need for the mechanics it would bring." The threadmaker stopped posting. The young poster's name? Albert Einstein!
  17. Can't Aileron while stressed unfortunately bleh what's the point then ? Make you think that there's more to this ship than there really is.
  18. Can't Aileron while stressed unfortunately
  19. They did it for the Uwing why would the X or B be any different.
  20. I feel like the Uwing will be better, PS2 at presumably 23 points with the title giving it either 1 additional agility or the ability to spin in place.
  21. Only thing though is you don't do ailerons if you're stressed.
  22. The TIE striker example is weird, don't they still perform the regular maneuver after the aileron one?
  23. "I thought how, with the gunboat wave as an ideal of perfection, the gunboater's object of passion becomes the very essence of ephemerality-not a thing to be owned or a goal to be attained but rather a fleeting state to inhabit. So much more of their time, after all, passed in the dreaming and searching than in the actual playing of gunboats; so much more time spent stalking the forums and floating between threads. Of their whole years of devotion, probably no more than a day was spent truly on their flight sticks and punishing Rebel scum, so they couldn't view such a moment as this without an ardent, frustrated desire, a near-religious craving for wholeness. Unlike so many other passions: while on might, I suppose, wish for a bloom to remain in blossom, for a ripening grape to hang always on the vine-yearnings John Keats made his own, for fleeting beauty and youth, the understandably hopeless hope that we might freeze our world's better moments-the gunboat's plenitude is rather in the peeling of the petal, the very motion of the falling fruit" -Some guy probably
  24. I think that if you consider the Z-95 a predecessor to the xwing you also have to take into account that the Arc-170 is as well. If you take and combine elements from both then you end up with the X-wing. If two design lines were to meet up then it would make sense to have an entirely new designation for the result.
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