Basically what they said.   Yeah, with only one rank in it, it's not super awesome, but it's a ranked talent, which means it becomes way more effective after you've invested XP in a tree with several ranks of it.  

Still, even at it's base level, being able to pay 3 strain to essentially have +3 soak (for all intents and purposes) is pretty sweet.   You can easily recover strain with various rolls, using Advantage, so it's better to take the strain than the wounds.   And it becomes more effective, and efficient as you rank it up.

As much as I love the Illustrious BRIAN BLESSED!!!  Not even he can elevate the Gungun race from fan hatred.   Personally, I didn't really have much issue with them, and I found Jar Jar only mildly annoying.  But that's just me.     

I haven't read the skill very closely, but doesn't it basically let you accomplish two things in one action?  

The wording is, as you say "Convert any skill check to an Ebb/Flow roll, and add you FP"  As far as I can tell, the base action still takes place, but you are also adding this effect on top of it right?

So you could, for example, shoot someone in the face with a blaster, AND inflict some strain on top of any wounds you inflict.   Which seems to me, to be pretty useful.  It's essentially a damage boost for all intents and purposes.   Whereas, the Influence comparison you made, is it's own separate action.   In theory, if I am understanding the intent of the power,  you could do this with even non-combat things.   Like an athletics check to overcome some obstacle, AND you happen to toss a few strain at an antoganist along the way.  Or you are in a chase scene, either being the chaser or chasee, and you make your rolls to advance the pursuit,  AND toss strain as well.  

Which seems pretty handy to me, since strain usually has a much lower threshold for most characters, and having it be something you can do in conjunction with other actions, is pretty nice.   I could be wrong of course.  I bought the book, but I haven't read through it much this week.  So if someone could verify if my ruling fits the power? 

Well then the Rebels are flawed because they don't make since to be in any era other than the Rebellion Era, if you're going to use that logic.   Which means you can't play a Rebel pre-Ep3, that's rather restrictive. Especially for a rather large element of the IP.   Much larger than the Jedi actually, as the Jedi were only a few thousand at most, but the Rebellion was millions.  But hey, they don't fit anywhere but Rebellion Era, so that's a problem on them, not the problem of someone erroneously trying to shoehorn them into a setting they don't fit in.   
This isn't an argument, this is a discussion.  Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm arguing with you, unless you think any contrary opinions stated are all arguments.
No, they really aren't.  I mean, unless you consider people having opinions and different thoughts on how to proceed "aberrations".  Apparently you think all Jedi are forced to be in lockstep and 100% agree all the time?  I don't know why you would think that, as that's not established anywhere at all in the franchise.  They have a belief system they try and adhere to, but they don't always interpret it the same way.  Pretty much like any religion that exists.  Just go ask a Catholic, Protestant, Methodist, and 7th Day Adventist the same questions about the fundamentals of their belief, and what they are "supposed to do" to stay right with their sky daddy, and I promise you , you will not get the same answer.  You will in fact get many contradictory answers from them.  That's not everyone following the same thing, and just a handful being "abberations".
....you don't have to be Lawful Good to be a Jedi, just because it's an RPG.  That makes zero sense.  "Well, all the canonical examples are all chaotic good, but for some reason we, the players have arbitrarily decided to fly in the face of precedent and example, and declare that Jedi are stuffy Paladin Buzz Kills....despite none of them actually acting that way.  You know, because we have to stick to canon."   The players are the ones going against established lore.    The archetype isn't flawed just because everyone who plays one can't figure out how to play in any way other than a way that seems to annoy them.
...they did plenty of stuff, it just wasn't covered in the movies because Lucas wasn't telling that story.   
I know it's not a defense of them, I even SAID I wasn't using it as a defense of them.  It's even in the part you quoted.  And I don't ignore the rules that make them Jedi, I just actually understand that they are not as rigid and unshakable as many people seem to think they are, because they auto-slap the "Paladin" label on them, and stop actually thinking about how they are represented in the material.
And "random criminals, smugglers and thugs" aren't?   Actually most scifi doesn't bother with actual mysticism in their setups.  They go the "so sciency it's magic" most of the time to explain away their weird stuff.  
 
I agree, I even posted several of the most commonly posted reasons earlier in this thread.  That doesn't mean that all reasons are actually good reasons, or stand up to scrutiny.
He has ONE scene, where he tails their ship, and lets the Empire actually catch them.  The fanbase however, has blown him up into this epic man hunter of peerless repute, feared across the galaxy.  Because he looked cool.  In reality, he got lucky once, and couldn't even stop the guy he captured from stumbling into him and sending him to his death.  
That's just simply not accurate.
I'm well aware of the topic, and that people have different opinions than me.  I even stated as much previously.  But again, if you state reasons for your opinion, and I find those reasons to be flawed or inaccurate, I'm going to say something.    If you say "I just don't really find them very interesting, and I prefer the smugglers, space ships, and bounty hunter stuff."  That's 100% fine, I have 0 issue with that reason.    But when you say "Jedi bad because Paladins", when they clearly aren't, and even Paladins themselves aren't as bad as gamers have stated they are for decades.  Or "Jedi bad because must not be Jedi to be fun", when there are plenty of ways to play a Jedi in a fun way, I'm going to comment.
I'm not trying to convert you, and I'm not a "fanboy" just because I enjoy them.  I don't care if other people like other aspects of a thing I like.  But at least dislike them for valid reasons, not ones based on flawed preconceptions of them, and a stereotype (the buzzkill Paladin) that is itself flawed as well.

I know I'm tilting at windmills here, as it's become such a commonly used term that my hopes are doomed to failure, but I will try anyway!   But hey, as EVERY...SINGLE...STAR WARS thing tells us, Hope is everything!  It will save the day with it's ability to.....hope at stuff!  Because hope is just that powerful, and it has NOTHING at all to do with fanservice name dropping to New Hope in an effort to appease the fanbase!!  So here's hoping it will work!
Seriously, don't call people who want to play with Dark side powers and actions but not be a bad guy Grey Jedi.   They are not "grey" Jedi.   This is someone wanting to gain the positive benefits of the term Jedi, in common usage and understanding, (someone who is powerful, but also a force for good in the universe), but also without having to actually adhere to their philosophies and doctrine of behavior.     The Jedi Code is very clear on what someone has to do to be a Jedi, and doing things that contradict that, mean you are NOT a Jedi.   Also, someone who is basically a Sith, but tries to not say they are a murderhobo, because of some token mention of the Jedi codes, and occasionally not killing and enslaving the people around them, equally doesn't make them a "Grey Jedi" from the other direction.  They are simply a less homicidal psychopath, than the other homicidal psychopaths they are around.  
It's like trying to say you are a carnivorous vegan.  Or a murderous pacifist.   They are terms that are by definition, contrary and mutually exclusive.   
 
That is all, proceed to ignore me and continue calling them that anyway!  Because I know you all will!   *tilts at a windmill one last time*

I know I'm tilting at windmills here, as it's become such a commonly used term that my hopes are doomed to failure, but I will try anyway!   But hey, as EVERY...SINGLE...STAR WARS thing tells us, Hope is everything!  It will save the day with it's ability to.....hope at stuff!  Because hope is just that powerful, and it has NOTHING at all to do with fanservice name dropping to New Hope in an effort to appease the fanbase!!  So here's hoping it will work!
Seriously, don't call people who want to play with Dark side powers and actions but not be a bad guy Grey Jedi.   They are not "grey" Jedi.   This is someone wanting to gain the positive benefits of the term Jedi, in common usage and understanding, (someone who is powerful, but also a force for good in the universe), but also without having to actually adhere to their philosophies and doctrine of behavior.     The Jedi Code is very clear on what someone has to do to be a Jedi, and doing things that contradict that, mean you are NOT a Jedi.   Also, someone who is basically a Sith, but tries to not say they are a murderhobo, because of some token mention of the Jedi codes, and occasionally not killing and enslaving the people around them, equally doesn't make them a "Grey Jedi" from the other direction.  They are simply a less homicidal psychopath, than the other homicidal psychopaths they are around.  
It's like trying to say you are a carnivorous vegan.  Or a murderous pacifist.   They are terms that are by definition, contrary and mutually exclusive.   
 
That is all, proceed to ignore me and continue calling them that anyway!  Because I know you all will!   *tilts at a windmill one last time*

It's side related to the topic, in that it's about the difference in what a word actually means, and how people use it.  Which was the entire point of my original post.  That calling someone a Grey Jedi is just incorrect, because the way people want to be able to behave as a "grey" Jedi, which basically translates to "ignoring the Jedi code because I want to do dark stuff because it's cool", means you aren't a Jedi.   Because being a Jedi, means you don't do the dark stuff at all if you can help it, and you should do everything you can to find another way to accomplish it.    
Now that is separate from the idea of playing a grey force user.  I have no problem with someone playing a character who is just a force user, and does whatever, because they aren't claiming to be part of a religious military order that had a very well defined set of behavior, that this person is summarily ignoring at every turn.  It's like someone who completely ignores all the rules and tenants of christianity, but still tries to say they are a christian.  Sorry but you really aren't. 
Another thought about the decimate thing, is that maybe people thought it meant to reduce DOWN to 10% from 100%?  Which would make a lot of sense, if they just reversed the percentages being described based on the word.  Devastate, or Decimate (thinking it meant down to 10%) both seem like a logical, organic way for the word to change.   Or, some idiot just thought the word sounded dramatic, without ever actually looking it up, and it just stuck, because language.
 Again, I don't care about someone playing a morally grey character who uses the force.  That's fine, in reality that's the narrative hook for EVERY force character in Star Wars.  The battle between Light and Dark.  Will they give in to their emotions, and let them control their actions, or will they maintain control, and find a less violent and destructive solution?  It's a classic element of storytelling, and it's perfectly at home in SW.  But again, that doesn't make someone a Jedi.   Remember, Yoda laughed at Luke in the beginning of Return, when he told him his training was done, and Luke said "Then I am a Jedi."  That was enough to invigorate death-bed Yoda to start laughing his little froggy butt off.  Because being a Jedi doesn't mean "I have force powers and a glowstick of death."  There is a LOT more to it.   And people who try and label themselves as grey jedi, while doing stuff directly in conflict with the Jedi philosophy and dogma, aren't Jedi.    
I'm not upset about it as you put it, it's just an annoying bit of common behavior I see in the fan base, most often by people who want to be "edgy" and try to justify their actions as not being actually BAD actions by saying 'It's ok, I'm a Grey Jedi, so I'm not really doing anything wrong, because my philosophy...is greeeeeeey"  *play emo music*.   They generally want all the trappings of the dark side, the fashion sense, edgy attitude, moral freedom to Force Choke a Bi***, etc, but you know, not actually BE a bad guy.  Or at least they don't want the label.  
This is going beyond the actual humorous point of this thread, into my issues with the actual character concept of grey jedi, which shouldn't surprise me really.  I should've known that SW fans couldn't just take a thread at face value as something funny, and instead would try and serious it up with constant debating and nitpicking.  Even when expressly stating the thread is mostly in jest about silly word usage, but alas, that is the fanbase for you.  Silly me for thinking otherwise.  Ah well.

Because I can't recall the last time I heard anyone call someone a Dark Jedi, but I've lost count of how often Grey Jedi comes up in common parlance.  So that's why I mention it.   And I'm not bent out of shape over it, it's just something that I find annoying.   Like how people use the word decimate to mean something was almost entirely destroyed, when decimate literally means "to reduce by 10 percent"...which is not the same thing as "almost destroying something.  At some point, someone confused Decimate, with Devastate ( i suspect, it's the closest sounding word to actually mean what people think decimate means), and now everyone just uses it, even though it's entirely wrong.   
Grey Jedi is the same.  It's a term constantly tossed up as a defense for a poor character concept, because somebody wants to be a "good guy Jedi" but still be able to pull a Wayne Brady and a Choke a Bi***.   They wan't their Dark Side Cookies and eat them too.   
As I thought was apparently clear from the tone of my original post, it's mostly made in jest, as a minor pet peeve of mine.
And if they aren't Jedi, they shouldn't use the word in their title.  I am not a Catholic, so you know what I don't call myself, a Grey Catholic, or Dark Catholic, to denote that I am NOT a Catholic.  People conflate "Someone who uses the Force" with Jedi all the time.  And it's simply wrong.  To reuse an analogy I enjoy, mostly because it amuses me, especially since Fallen Order.   Let's say that people who can use the Force, are gingers (people with red hair).  Now, people who are Jedi, are gymnasts (actually had training in a discipline).   That doesn't mean that all gingers are gymnasts.   And gingers who didn't study gymnastics, but instead studied parkour, are not Dark Gymnasts.  They are parkourists, or free runners.  They have their own word to describe them.   

I know I'm tilting at windmills here, as it's become such a commonly used term that my hopes are doomed to failure, but I will try anyway!   But hey, as EVERY...SINGLE...STAR WARS thing tells us, Hope is everything!  It will save the day with it's ability to.....hope at stuff!  Because hope is just that powerful, and it has NOTHING at all to do with fanservice name dropping to New Hope in an effort to appease the fanbase!!  So here's hoping it will work!
Seriously, don't call people who want to play with Dark side powers and actions but not be a bad guy Grey Jedi.   They are not "grey" Jedi.   This is someone wanting to gain the positive benefits of the term Jedi, in common usage and understanding, (someone who is powerful, but also a force for good in the universe), but also without having to actually adhere to their philosophies and doctrine of behavior.     The Jedi Code is very clear on what someone has to do to be a Jedi, and doing things that contradict that, mean you are NOT a Jedi.   Also, someone who is basically a Sith, but tries to not say they are a murderhobo, because of some token mention of the Jedi codes, and occasionally not killing and enslaving the people around them, equally doesn't make them a "Grey Jedi" from the other direction.  They are simply a less homicidal psychopath, than the other homicidal psychopaths they are around.  
It's like trying to say you are a carnivorous vegan.  Or a murderous pacifist.   They are terms that are by definition, contrary and mutually exclusive.   
 
That is all, proceed to ignore me and continue calling them that anyway!  Because I know you all will!   *tilts at a windmill one last time*

Hey!  The protagonist is a GINGER!!  Don't rob this moment in the spotlight for them!!    Not even Doctor Who has had a ginger protag yet, despite years of lampshading it!  

Yeah I am not a fan of Souls combat either, but it's not too bad.  You have enough Force powers to give you an edge in combat, but at first, it's mostly just using the lightsaber.  Honestly, it's mostly lightsaber all the way through so far.  You don't get a lot of combat oriented powers, at least not that I've found so far.  It's all utility powers.  Of course, Force Push is always a wonderfully useful power in a world without rail safety laws.     I actually just had a really great moment. One of the Purge Troopers, trained specifically to kill Jedi, was talking to a regular trooper next to a ledge.  The conversation was the regular trooper talking about how their reinforcements were leaving them as a skeleton garrison, and the PT said "Good" and then went into this long rant about how he wanted the glory for himself, and the thrill of the hunt, and how when he met me, it would be the finest moment blah blah blah.....BUUUUT, they had their backs to me, and were standing in front of a bottomless Star Wars pit.   So....you know how that ended up.  It was so great.
But yeah, the game has genuinely pissed me off a few times, where I had to turn it off and go do something else.  Mostly due to the sliding portions of the game.  There are a lot of little clunky things here and there, like how I can easily squeeze through gaps to transition between locations, but then I can't squeeze through an equally wide gap in this other spot, because the puzzle is all about me doing stuff with the Force from the other side of the barrier.  Even though my guy can EASILY traverse the barrier like 3 different ways, based on other surfaces he's overcome.   But the sliding,  that is definitely my biggest gripe.   The rest of the platforming portion, really isn't that bad, and I'm also not a fan of platforming stuff really.  

I find that an interesting interpretation, given all of the canon examples of Jedi in the films were overwhelmingly of them just walking through enemies with little effort at all, unless you were a Named NPC, or a Plot Device Enemy, like the droidikas.   I mean if you were a Roger Roger droid, or a Stormtrooper, beings of equivalent squishyness and threat in the SW-verse, you were basically a "press button and die" enemy.  So I don't really see the issue.   They sure as heck didn't stand up to actual force trained people while using stun batons.  I'm referring to just the regular storm troopers with batons, not the Purge Troopers, who were at least established as having had specific training to fight force users.
That is another thing actually, the combat techniques the Purge Troopers implemented to deal with fighting a force user were really cool.  My favorite was the counter to force Pull.  That was clever as heck, and really cool to watch.

Nope, nope nope nope.  **** right off right now with derailing this into another bickerfest between the two of you.  Stop it right the **** now.
 
Discuss the game, or **** off.  We have enough threads derailed with this tired argument, we don't need more.

Yeah, but as someone who has been made aware of someone having a thing for them, and it coming out of nowhere, I can relate.  It doesn't mean he didn't have feelings for her, just sort of a mental "Oh wait, things are going that way?   Oh, huh, ok have to rethink things now....oh crap she's bleeding out!"    

That and my wife is named Rose, and is half-Korean, so seeing an Asian woman named Rose in Star Wars, with a very similar, and dorky personality to my wife, just fills me with giggles.  So I kind of want her to get the guy simply because I find the actress/character personally amusing/enjoyable.

But yeah, I still have a ticket for the Poe/Finn ship to sail   
And I apologize for derailing the thread, not my intent, just couldn't resist the joke there.  Return to your discussions of metal thingies that fly around!

So I've been debating running a H:ZD campaign for a few of my friends, since one of them is a huge fan of the game, and after playing it myself recently, I definitely think it's a fun setting to play with.
I don't really have much in the way of unique rules for the setting, as I think the basic stuff works just fine, but there are few issues that I've been considering, and how to address them.
To anyone not familiar with the game, it's a post apocalypse game, where society has devolved back to the stone ages basically, or maybe just "medi-eval" level, basic D&D kind of stuff.  Bows, melee weapons, leather clothing, tribal mentality, etc.   But it's very clearly a post-advanced scifi setting, because there are giant robot animal/dinosaurs wandering around, acting as the most serious threat in the game for the protagonist.   99.9% of people have no real understanding of how the world ended up the way it is, and have concocted various myths about the old days of the First Ones, and how things went to crap.  The main character however, finds what is basically a PDA, but scifi version, called a Focus.  It's a highly useful information/interface device, that gives her a massive wealth of information about the world around her.  She still has no context for a lot of it, but she's able to scan her environment, set destinations, highlight weakpoints on machines, interface with functional old world tech, etc.  And this is the item/issue that I find will probably need the most work for the setting. 
Everything else, I figure I'll just use basic skill/talent rules from the core book, but for the old world tech stuff, I'm considering requiring a talent to be purchased, to reflect someone having sufficient understanding of technology, to be able to use/understand any of the tech.  Literally gate off access to the skill of Computers, unless you have that talent.  Though an easier way might be to just limit it, instead, to having a Focus, since it's through that device that the protagonist Aloy is able to actually activate things.  So maybe no talent, just an item requirement.   And once you have a Focus, you can start fiddling with it, to learn the basics of operating machinery in the ruins.
Also, the other thing I was thinking, is to try and incorporate the different damage types the game has for gear, and have those be options for modding armor/weapons.  Say for example, harvesting machine parts to put onto your leather armor, that would give you points of soak versus specific damage types (fire/heat, acid, cold, etc).   The same could be done to modifications for weapons, to add damage types to try and punch through different defenses on the machines.  
Beyond those 2 things, I don't think I really need to tweak much else.
Thoughts?

I like to use Sam Stewart's definition of "what makes a Jedi".

It's when you stand up to the Emperor, after defeating his Dragon, toss down your saber, refuse his offer of power for corruption, and tell him "No."

To get bogged down in numerical values to denote a Jedi is to forget the narrative focus, and point of this system.  

I know I'm tilting at windmills here, as it's become such a commonly used term that my hopes are doomed to failure, but I will try anyway!   But hey, as EVERY...SINGLE...STAR WARS thing tells us, Hope is everything!  It will save the day with it's ability to.....hope at stuff!  Because hope is just that powerful, and it has NOTHING at all to do with fanservice name dropping to New Hope in an effort to appease the fanbase!!  So here's hoping it will work!
Seriously, don't call people who want to play with Dark side powers and actions but not be a bad guy Grey Jedi.   They are not "grey" Jedi.   This is someone wanting to gain the positive benefits of the term Jedi, in common usage and understanding, (someone who is powerful, but also a force for good in the universe), but also without having to actually adhere to their philosophies and doctrine of behavior.     The Jedi Code is very clear on what someone has to do to be a Jedi, and doing things that contradict that, mean you are NOT a Jedi.   Also, someone who is basically a Sith, but tries to not say they are a murderhobo, because of some token mention of the Jedi codes, and occasionally not killing and enslaving the people around them, equally doesn't make them a "Grey Jedi" from the other direction.  They are simply a less homicidal psychopath, than the other homicidal psychopaths they are around.  
It's like trying to say you are a carnivorous vegan.  Or a murderous pacifist.   They are terms that are by definition, contrary and mutually exclusive.   
 
That is all, proceed to ignore me and continue calling them that anyway!  Because I know you all will!   *tilts at a windmill one last time*

Do you mean the Loth cat attempt in your original post?   *shrugs*  I don't think so.   The point of these games is to have fun, and if you and your people have fun playing in a game with a semi/fully sentient Loth-cat who runs around with the party, who cares?  Well, some people on this forum will care, and will likely express their displeasure in you sullying the "canon" with your homebrew idea....but **** them.      There's plenty of precedent in various storytelling about intelligent animals, and their place in a heroic adventure, and given the insane amount of diverse lifeforms that are sentient in Star Wars canon, (including a FREAKING TREE JEDI MASTER!!) I don't really see the issue with doing the same with Loth-cats.  If it's fun, do it, and to **** with canon.

Wasn't it "1000 generations" ?  Which is significantly longer than 1000 years.   Most measures put a "generation" (the time it takes an organism to grow from birth to average birthing age themselves) at around 25 years for humans.   So that's roughly 25k years.  
Maybe I'm mis-remembering Obi-Wan's line to Luke in New Hope, but I could swear he said "For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of the Old Republic"

I love lamp.
 
Sometimes, when I poop, I hear the sounds of screaming smurfs, begging for help from inside my butt.  I'm afraid what must happen to....rectify this situation.
 
Why do cats who come up wanting pettins decide to flop onto the floor JUST outside of arms reach?  Such a jerk move!
 
You know that family guy episode where Peter puts his junk into a mechanical pencil sharpener?  Those things have a very small radius....just sayin.
 
I seem to be the only person who remembers the old Sci Fi channel show The Chronicle, about a tabloid magazine that investigated the paranormal stuff, but it was all real.  The best show ever was the one with Elvis Impersonator Vampires that only fed on other Elvis Impersonators at conventions, that were hunted by an Elvis Impersonating Vampire Hunter that was possibly the real Elivs.  The finale is like 50 people dressed like Elvis, getting into a massive battle in a hotel convention hall, using UV lights to reflect off the sequined jump suit of one of the protagonists, to make a disco ball of vampire death via multi-beams of UV light.   Nothing is better than that.  NOTHING.
 
 I have a unicorn lightsaber.  The handle is the neck of the unicorn head, the crossguard is the actual head of the unicorn, and the blade is the horn of the unicorn.  It lights up in rainbow strobe effects.  

For ****'s sake now I'm getting notifications when the two of you simply quote other quotes from my thread from earlier!   This is ******* ridiculous!   

What can Cool do for you?

Get you Princess Leia   *drops mic*
OT: Honestly I don't see much use for it, as for me, it's almost synonymous with Charm/Deception, in how it would be utilized.  It's almost like a measure of reaction, more than a skill to me.   Like Samuel L. Jackson said  "When you sit down, you do it cool."   It's not really anything other than a way of doing something, so I really don't know how to utilize it as a skill.   As to me, Cool is just how someone would be doing a Charm or Deception.  Are they being cool about it?  Thus doing it smooth and slick, maybe making the person in question come away feeling like they just got asked out on a date (and thus in a Cool way)?  Or did they just sort of do a verbal runaround and confuse the person into agreeing before really realizing what happened (and thus NOT in a Cool way).  

So...yeah *shrugs*  I don't really know, I personally consider it kind of extraneous.

They kind of already did that in Clone Wars actually.  It was the episode that made me stop watching it actually.   The introduced this Trinity of Balance type thingy.  These 3 beings that, I'm generalizing heavily here as I barely remember it, but they were basically living in this like Force Uber Nexus thingy, and they lived there to embody the Force, it's Light/Dark, and balance.  Well one of the 3 avatars was dying, or going crazy or whatever, basically they needed to replace a cog in the system, and Anakin was the one destined to do that.  They actually tried to retcon him giving up all ties to the galaxy, to go sit in that place for thousands of years, as his destiny "to bring balance to the Force".  Because if he didn't do it, there would be an imbalance.  He refused of course, and that's what caused all the problems.   
 
It was stupid to the Nth degree, but yeah, they were basically Force Gods, for all intents and purposes, and presentation.   

Except the films show the "goody two shoes" you talk about, being anything but that.  They aren't sociopathic murder hobos, but Obi-Wan does some dodgy stuff in the prequels, and the original trilogy.  It's easy for players to just lump Jedi into "Paladin D'Bags", but the reality is far from that.  The fact that most players aren't creative enough in their roleplaying to see Paladins or Jedi as anything other than a "buzz kill for our fun because they don't want to like, torture and murder people without any emotional conflict" ...well that's a problem with the player, not the concept.    Qui-Gon literally gambles with the lives of slaves, and cheats on the very gambling for those slaves.  He makes a decision of his own volition to condemn Anakin's mother to remain a slave, because the boy was personally valuable to him and his religious beliefs.   He defies his Order's verdict on whether or not to train the child, because he didn't like their answer.  Obi-Wan lies about being the Jedi who ordered the Clone Army so that he can get further information, he gets angry and lashes out in stupid ways on multiple occasions in the PT, and I'm pretty sure he does several un-Jedi things in the Clone Wars cartoon as well, though I don't remember much of it.   Yoda lies about who he is to Luke, steals things from his supplies and eats them without asking, proceeds to beat on R2 with a stick when he tries to reclaim the afore-mentioned stolen property.  He lies to Luke about his past and his parentage because it's more advantageous to his own personal goals of stopping the Emperor.    The Jedi are hardly the "Paladin D'bags" that people often claim they are.  Heck Paladins themselves are hardly that way in reality.  It's just PLAYERS don't know how to actually play them
It sounds more like you hate the way players interpret how the Jedi should be, instead of how they actually are.   
And Han wasn't special and unique (at least by his own boasting), by saying he had "the fastest ship in the galaxy" and had done the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs?    Also, it's hard to be "unique" when you are literally one of thousands in an established Order.  That's kind of the opposite of unique.   There are plenty of them who basically boiled down to "nameless mooks" in the prequel trilogy, just to flesh out action scenes, and die off.
How is this a criticism of Jedi?  This is a criticism of bad writing and plugging them into a setting that doesn't fit them.   I mean, I agree with your feelings that this is bad, but it's not really a criticism of Jedi.
This is a personal preference and opinion, not an objective fact.  And I know this because basically every character you listed (except for Chewie), I personally find incredibly boring and/or overhyped.  Boba Fett is a joke, he's killed a blind man with a stick, and not like Chirrut Imwe kind of "blind guy with a stick".  A regular blind guy, who literally didn't know he was there, and just casually caused him to die.  Yeah...master hunter of men then one.     
Now don't get me wrong, you are perfectly fine to prefer the other character types of Star Wars, instead of the Jedi, but "I just like these guys more because they interest me more personally." again isn't really a criticism of the Jedi.  That's simply a personal preference.   I personally find the mysticism and moral struggles of the Force and Force Users to be the most interesting thing about Star Wars, and the thing that sets it apart from all the other scifi genres out there.  I don't consider that a positive thing about the Jedi when discussing their pros/cons as a concept, it's just my personal preference.

@Tramp Graphics
For ****'s sake stop name dropping me in this insane rant of yours.  You have personally continued this thread for like 20+ pages, and I stopped following it like 2 weeks ago.   There is a point, that you have never actually learned it seems, of just letting a subject drop.  I know you are apparently physically and psychologically incapable of just letting something go until you have bludgeoned anyone who dares say you might be wrong about something into silence or submission, but it's frankly sad to watch.  
And I'm frankly getting tired of seeing the notification only to see it's you using my name to justify your continued rant on a subject that was simply a passing curiosity to me that I thought I'd share.   Because I keep thinking it might be something productive and/or entertaining, but no, it's just you using my name to say "see i'm not the only one who is this obstinate and pig headed!"    
Stop.  You've already hijacked my thread for your personal crusade to make everyone admit you are right, don't keep dragging me back into it.  Either shut up and let the thread die, or at the very least stop @ ing me  in your posts.