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  1. I don't think I've ever seen him flown, although he does appear to be better than Gunner. Is he just too hard to get into lists, or is there another reason for his apparent scarcity?
  2. The negotiation and peaceful protests occurred mo than a decade before A New Hop, and resulted in the dismantling of what was left of the elected government and the slaughter of the peaceful protestors. A Declaration of Independence doesn't really work because no one was trying to break away for the empire, they were trying to overthrow the tyrant and restore their government. Even so, the treaty that merged the original rebel cells into "The Rebel Alliance" served much the same purpose, it outlined the reasons for the rebellion and the goals of the alliance members. There was an assassination attempt, and it worked. Of the various reasons to risk attacking the Death Star 2, that the emperor was going to be there was "the most important of all", that was the first real opportunity the alliance had to target the emperor, and they took it. A New Hope is very late in the cycle of rebellion. The actions of the emperor as he took and consolidated power are pretty much text book examples of a tyrant subverting a nation and seizing power and then illegally quashing any voice of opposition. The destruction of Alderan is not equivalent to the use of the a-bomb in WW2, it would be more similar to the president nuking Baltimore because of the recent riots. No one would consider that justified. You mean the things that weren't even mentioned in the movies? Also, that doesn't qualify as an assasination. Killing millions to kill one man isn't an assasination.
  3. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but it is amazing what that statement reveals about changes in the psyche of people in the U.S. Post 9/11. The original trilogy contained a significant level of referencing the U.S.A's creation mythology* along with all the WW2 baggage. In the 1970s and 1980s it was nigh on unthinkable to side with the Empire. *Plucky band of rebels throw off the oppressive yoke of an oppressive empire and all that. You even have bad guys played by British actors to ram the point home. As I get older, I can start to see the side of the movie, but it screams War on Terror to someone who's psyche was formed around the Post-911 world. I was just young enough to know what changes occurred after 9/11, but old enough that it shaped the way I looked at things in a definite, recognizable and tangible way. The only reason I saw to think the empire is evil is the title crawl, where it calls them evil. It was intended to make them look evil. But there is a million ways to look at it. I grew up Catholic, with the whole: "Life is sacred. So we kill to protect it." philosophy, while most Americans come from a more protestant background with the whole: "Life is sacred. We'd die before we'd take it." angle. Add in the WW2 parallels (Death Star = Atom Bomb, but has the opposite reaction (Rebels band together instead of submit), and it makes the Empire look sympathetic, while the Rebels look misguided. Also, Alderaan is said to be sparsely populated and host to a serious terrorist population, which while it doesn't make it a lot better, does make it better than say destroying coruscant. "...I have chosen to test this station's destructive power on your home planet of Alderaan." "NO! Alderaan is peaceful! We have no weapons! You can't possibly..." "You would prefer another target? A MILITARY target? Then, name the system. I grow tired of asking this, so it will be the last time: Where is the rebel base?" "Dantooine. They're on Dantooine." "There, you see, Lord Vader, she can be reasonable. Continue with the operation, you may fire when ready." "WHAT?!" "You're far too trusting. Dantooine is far to remote to make an effective demonstration, but don't worry, we will deal with your rebel friends soon enough." ter·ror·ism ˈterəˌrizəm/ noun noun: terrorism the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."FEAR will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battle station." This is a government whose head of state has just dissolved the representative council of its constituency and intends to control its population through an official "doctrine of terror" whereby it indiscriminately murders millions, if not billions, of its own citizens in order to A) test the effectiveness of its WMD, B) prove its willingness to use said WMD against its own citizens, and C) hold the lives of innocent citizens hostage as a form of interrogation against anyone accused (but not tried or convicted) of treason. So, you're saying that you were convinced that this government is the goodguys? I find it hard to believe that anyone raised in a western nation post 9/11 could see the Empire as anything but villains after they attacked a civilian target in an attempt to punish a military organization and effect political change through terror. I believe the poster who claims the Empire is good has somehow had the ideas that any group which uses guerrilla warfare must be a terrorist force and that any non-government group which wages warfare against a government must be terrorists burned into their brain. I disagree with that point of view completely but it isn't uncommon. No. Thats not even close to what I believe. I have no problem with guerralla wärfare, no problems with rebelling in general. There was no negotiation, no declaration of independence, no attempted assasination of the emperor, no peaceful protests, just straight up let's-kill-them-all action movie heroics. I believe that the Empire is using force to keep the peace, and is using the threat of the death star to prevent more deaths. See ww2 and the atom bomb. Also, the empire was under the impression that alderaan was a military target. I highly doubt that Alderaan was a peaceful planet, especially when its Senator is the one who started the rebellion in the first place. Esentially, Leia was lying to try and save her people. Even so, the Rebels killed just as many people if not more, by destroying a moon size station. The noncanon legends stats would be way off, because it's not even enough people to run new york, yet alone a building that large. The empire does bad things to create a stable and effective gov't. The rebels create dischord and
  4. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but it is amazing what that statement reveals about changes in the psyche of people in the U.S. Post 9/11. The original trilogy contained a significant level of referencing the U.S.A's creation mythology* along with all the WW2 baggage. In the 1970s and 1980s it was nigh on unthinkable to side with the Empire. *Plucky band of rebels throw off the oppressive yoke of an oppressive empire and all that. You even have bad guys played by British actors to ram the point home. As I get older, I can start to see the side of the movie, but it screams War on Terror to someone who's psyche was formed around the Post-911 world. I was just young enough to know what changes occurred after 9/11, but old enough that it shaped the way I looked at things in a definite, recognizable and tangible way. The only reason I saw to think the empire is evil is the title crawl, where it calls them evil. It was intended to make them look evil. But there is a million ways to look at it. I grew up Catholic, with the whole: "Life is sacred. So we kill to protect it." philosophy, while most Americans come from a more protestant background with the whole: "Life is sacred. We'd die before we'd take it." angle. Add in the WW2 parallels (Death Star = Atom Bomb, but has the opposite reaction (Rebels band together instead of submit), and it makes the Empire look sympathetic, while the Rebels look misguided. Also, Alderaan is said to be sparsely populated and host to a serious terrorist population, which while it doesn't make it a lot better, does make it better than say destroying coruscant.
  5. Orks don't age, we just get bigger and darker until we die in glorious combat. Dang. Guess I should have picked orc at character creation. All seriousness though, I'm mid twenties at stuck between everyone new star wars and old star wars. My young cousins don't even care about han and luke, but can't get enough rebels and clone wars. As for the empire, I never read any EU stuff, but played a few games (battlefront, shadows of the empire) but I always thought of the rebels as terrorists. I guess part of it was being middle school aged when 9/11 happened, but they never really did anything to show that the rebels weren't just terrorists, and the Empire never did anything in the movies particulary heinous. I mean, they destroyed a sparsely populated planet hosting a serious terrorist cell\base/populatíon. The rebels killed at least millions if not billions of people on the death star... That's why I'm pro-empire...
  6. False? https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=dove+definition https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=dive+definition I think it's a regional thing, but dove, at least where I am, is more acceptable.
  7. I think you'll find that many, many people consider the OT to be the only true Star Wars. The newer stuff is novel, and has some entertainment value for the less discerning fans, but otherwise falls short of what made the original films entertaining. So it's precisely "the stuff since then" that many of those people will continue to turn their noses up at, which, suffice it to say, hardly makes for a compelling reason to make even more of it. Yeah, but youre old. All the younglings consider their star wars to be the real star wars.
  8. I think you need to compare K-Wing to Y-Wing instead of B-Wing.
  9. M That is a bold statement. I commend your courage, the Internet is ruthless to false prophets! It's estimated arrival at my local gamestore at 1/1/2029*. I'm not getting my hopes up. *Seriously. I'm not joking. I assume they are going to update it once it's closer, but that's what they got from their distributor.
  10. ...18 pages in. All I've learned is that there are a lot of people on this forum that I'd rather not play against.
  11. ...Maybe we should evaluate whether or not arguing about this is a good use of our time? It's obvious that there are 2-3 camps here, and no one will change each others mind. Whether or not you consider praying cheating for any reason should be irrelevant. If you call a TO over and are like: "Hey, he's praying." (or is wearing a lucky sock) I don't think the TO is going to be upset with them. Also, if dice manipulation isn't 100% confirmed for 6 sided dice (not saying if it's fact or fiction, I don't really care either way) and has a fair share of skeptics along with some people convinced, means that if it is a real thing than it's fairly tricky to do. If it's hard to manipulate dice with 6 sides and evenly distributed weight (not to mention casino dice are usually precision), it's probably even harder to do with 8 sided dice that are kind of wonky. If it's even harder to do with 8 sided dice, than this person manipulating them would have to work super hard, at least a couple hundred hours, to learn that skill. If they've learned how to do this, it's obvious that they can turn it on/off while still rolling similarly (after all, simply changing a little bit of the starting variable will change the end result a lot) than you won't be able to prove it when a TO comes over to check. So, if someone beats you because they manipulated Star Wars X-Wing dice, maybe you should let them have it. I think you've won at life, at that point. That's my two cents.
  12. No, it doesn't. I've been over this territory several times in the last couple of days: the Advanced has better average damage only when it has a target lock on a ship in its firing arc and a focus token available to modify its dice. (Predator is great but doesn't quite equalize things.)It's far from impossible to put yourself in that situation, but it takes setup and maneuvering and, often, two actions. So you won't be attacking that way every round; for one thing, you have to start over when you actually kill your target.The TIE Advanced has the most cost-effective defense among Small ships, and that's definitely a strength it has. But it's not as strong an attacker as a ship with 3 Attack, even with the Advanced Targeting Computer. That's nothing that grew in my yard actually. I have read multiple times that with a TL on the target you have better firepower than a 3-Dice ship and less randomness. I will believe you if you say you have the math done however and leave it to other mathwingers to contradict you if that's possible. By the way how does it compare with just a TL and no 2nd action to a 3-Dice ship with no action? I would also not forget that unless you bump you have 3 Pilots that can very easily get the 2nd action needed for a focus on the same turn as TL. Vader because 2 actions, Alozen because Free TL at R1, Juno because she can easily take PTL and shed stres (although i would go Predator on her rather even if you say that it's less efficient) Without any additional actions 2 attack dice nets you 1 hit 50% of the time, 0 hits 25% and 2 hits 25%. With ATC you add 1 crit in there. IDK what the probabilities for two dice crits are.
  13. People probably said the same thing about Skywalker and Darklighter back in the day. Or how about Dark Father. Wait, I mean Darth Vader. It's not like Lucas was telegraphing that one.
  14. Except if I bring my lucky socks with the intent that they will make me roll better?
  15. Especially cluster missiles. That build gets scary. I've seen them kill a decimator in one turn. Also see proton rockets. They kill things good when you plan it out.
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