8 points sounds like gunner and Vader to me. thematically that's hilarious to me. You're an imperial officer and you're all excited to get promoted to your own vt 49 and its your first day and Vader walks on your ship.

Seems like a good combo with Biggs

Most of the three x wing builds i see i am not a fan of. I run Wedge a ton as he is my favorite Star Wars character, but loading ships with upgrades doesn't make sense to me. I am looking at 2 named x wings once stay on target hits though, give them other ships with wingman to take advantage of their high ps and let them stay on target nearly every turn seems potent.

That would kinda suck. Then it would just be one more thing Rebels get that Imperials don't. It really does make sense that the Y-wing will get both crew and bombs upgrade slots in the next Rebel Aces Release (see below reference). http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL_Y-wing_starfighter As for giving the Rebels things that us Imperials do not have, that is a part of the game that adds welcomed balance. As someone who has played a ton of Rogue Squadron I was pretty upset that Y wings don't have bombs, but when I looked at what rebels have that imperials don't I mellowed on it. I definitely would like to see more y wing love.

Every one else has already said it but beautiful on the defenders. The phantom is solid but the defender is above and beyond!

I find dutch and or b wings go a long way. Dutch gives you a nice force multiplier and the b wings can take a significant pounding

this, despite the length of game the number of dice you roll is not statistically significant. Makes determinations of effectives difficult.

My biggest knock on the defender is all the red turns, not alot of arc dodging you can do in a straight line. I can't find an application I'd rather want a defender in

This. On the rebel side I like Wedge and I like Y wings. It took me several losses to realize that a wings maybe weren't so good. Sticking to something will help. One of the difficulties of this game I feel is that you typically don't roll enough dice to gain sample sizes large enough to insight on performance. Double falcons give me hell too and its one of the things I mentally prepare for when I'm list building.

I've been wanting to do something like this but I cannot find a way to deal with super maneuverable ships. It seems really fun against falcons and other swarms but I feel like echo would walk all over it.

I just want to point out that boosting actually makes your firing arc more narrow because you are moving closer to your target, and since firing arcs are cones, they are obviously wider the further away you are. Barrel-roll is better for catching a slippery opponent in your wider (but further away) arc because you can keep back. Now I'm speaking in a vacuum here, so there will of course be cases where boost is better, but if your opponent is smart and is flying a more manoeuvreable ship (as echo is compared to Wedge), he might be able to foresee your final position even with your boost and still dodge your arc...in theory of course. yah the barrel roll does seem a little better in theory, I think its just the play style of phantom players in my area but with boost I seem to be able to consistently get phantoms in my arc or get out of their arc with boost.

IIRC, Fel grew up on a farm and was awarded his Barony. So he could be a tough guy or more refined I guess. Aarron Paul perhaps? (thinking need for speed)

in place of Kath? Sorry, meant 2 interceptors in your list. So replace Kath with an interceptor and a TIE fighter. I think id feel a little naked without a tanky model.

I should preface that I've only played maybe 20 games. That being said large ships give me headaches so I'm extremely hesitant to do anything that hurts my chances against them. It's a bit of a personal preference as well, I like a fourth ship for not only the extra firepower but the positioning advantages as well.

Most of my rebel lists run wedge plus engine upgrades specifically for phantom hunting, I think it gives you a little wider of a range to shoot than barrel roll. I personally have a lot of trouble with the idea of three ship builds though. I haven't nailed down my exact all comers rebel list but it's a combination right now of wedge Dutch z95 and b wing. I might have to steal Jensen with vi though!

I've used it several times, particularly against the falcon I played. I also have had several spots where soontirs regular move got him a great shot or where he's jousted against a lower PS interceptor and used target lock to make sure the other ship can't fire back.

in place of Kath?

I was thinking when I built this list that turr might be better than soontir, but soontir has been absolutely fantastic so far. Thanks in part to targeting computer I can almost always take two actions to boos his efficiency. This proved particularly nice when I had to play a falcon. I do however love the boba+swarm tactics idea and I think I'm going to make that change my next game.

I'm also considering dropping her all the way down to doomshuttle (omnicron and Vader) and using the spare points for an extra named tie, but I'm not sure how id feel about the lost pilot skill and shooting so much later.

So most of my games so far have been with rebels, I've played four games of imperial so far with this list and its 4-0. soontir fel 27 push the limit 3 targeting computer 2 academy tie 12 night beast 15 Kath scarlet 38 vet instincts 1 mercenary co pilot 2 the big question so far is about kath. She's in there for a high PS tank and 3 attack and she's been great for that. So far her abilities have been totally null and I'm wondering if the points aren't better spent elsewhere. Any feedback would be appreciate.

I would probably just got nera vet instincts and flechette torpedoes. Elegant and potent

When list building I try to ask myself three questions. 1 How am I going to deal with swarms, 2 How am I going to deal with big ships, 3 how am I going to deal with highly maneuverable ships. It's a little less fun cuz I like thematic at times too, but I don't like to be hosed either.

I'm going to preface this with I generally don't like to pour points into a single model, but I've been mostly pleased with Kath+Vet Instincts +Merc co pilot.

See I always interpreted C3PO as straight up shouting "We're doomed" which I loved.

Neat find but I'm not holding my breath too much.