Asmodee, or big brother weilding a stick over online sales! in X-Wing Posted December 22, 2015 · Edited December 22, 2015 by Hockeyzombie So much hyperbole in this thread. You can still buy online, so can we stop with all the doomsaying about how FFG is trying to tell you what you're allowed to do or claiming that this is some kind of personal attack? It could be clearer, sure. But so far it looks like they're trying to prevent online retailers from being able to sell at crazy low costs on a somewhat regular basis. As someone who works an entry level job, you can afford to pay what I've been paying at my local store. Hell, I've been buying X-Wing, Armada, computer parts, paint supplies, videogames, and bullets all year without any serious financial hiccups or missed payments on things like bills or rent. All despite the fact that I'm bad at math and worse at keeping track of my money. If someone as financially incompetent as I am can handle these prices then so can you. No, you probably won't see Imperial Veterans selling for $10 or Epic ships going for $40 anymore. But you won't be forced to quit the game due to a lack of nearby game stores, either. You'll just have to pay what I've been paying. Well, adjusted for region and all. Like I said before, I've been paying LGS prices this entire time and the only time I've gone broke since starting this game was because I impulse bought a rifle after forgetting I owed like $300 on my credit card. Even then I found money for the Outrider and Decimator. You aren't being deprived of access to X-Wing. You aren't being discriminated against. You're used to getting crazy deals from a business model that runs very low costs and now that you're probably not getting "barely profiting" prices it just feels like you're being screwed. You, and Asmodee, have a misunderstanding of how free markets work. If the demand is at lower prices, what do you think will happen if you increase prices and supply remains the same? Yup, demand will fall. This is a hard lesson other companies had to learn, eg Games Workshop and Mayfair. You can act noble all you want for stupidly over-paying for the same product but that's sadly not how businesses survive. Consumers LOVE saving money, or at least appearing to save money (JCPenny). If one store charges more but offers nothing in return, they'll have a hard time staying in business, regardless what they sell. In the end, this is just another widget sold by retailers, and we as conaumers will vote with our wallet, intentionally or not. I'm not acting noble. I'm basically saying "suck it up, I have no sympathy." For starters, after exchange rates are applied and shipping rates happen I'm usually paying the same to order online as I would to go to my LGS and buy there, except now I have to wait for it to arrive. So, no I actually haven't been paying a lot more since I'm willing to pay the usual price instead of waiting for sales. Patience isn't one of my strengths. I'm aware that people like saving money, I simply don't care when those people aren't me. Thirdly, the owner of my LGS has stated on multiple occasions that he considers buying our stuff at his store to be our "table fee" and has contemplated charging known online buyers to use his tables. Fourth, many of the new players in town only know the game even exists because they saw our Saturday group playing in the back and asked about it. Others have bought the game largely because they could see how much we were enjoying it. Local stores can serve a marketing purpose because they want the game to be popular as much as FFG does. It's also worth noting that I consider the owner of my LGS a friend, so I have a degree of loyalty that is completely absent when dealing other businesses. If I were to move to another city I would compare the cost of buying locally against buying online...and probably end up buying locally for reasons I mentioned above. Hate waiting for things to arrive in the mail. I think I could have worded my original post better, though. The message I want to send is simple. 1) Stop ranting about how you can't buy X-Wing online. They explicitly said that you'll still be able to. You just won't see as many of those big sales that various sites used to do and it seems likely that the cost will go up in general. That is not the same as forcing you to drive to a city X distance away to buy the game, though the cost per miniature might be very close. 2) Stop treating this like a personal attack ("it's like they're saying we're scum for buying online" -Vulf; Tokyogriz accused them of "declaring war on the fans" in another thread, this topic compares them to Big Brother despite that not making any sense). FFG, Asmodee, whoever made this decision isn't doing this out of some kind of malice aimed at you. At worst they don't care how it will impact you compared to how it will effect me. So, yeah. I'm not sure why you think I'm even trying to talk about how free market economics work. Was it the bit about how people can still afford it? I was saying that specifically to make it clear that yes, they can still afford it. Maybe not as much, maybe not as easily, but seriously if I can build the collection I have with the wage I make then so can most everyone on this site. I'm not saying they have to be happy about it, I'm just not allowed to swear at the people that are acting like this just immediately became as expensive as Warhammer is*. EDIT: I live in Canada so I should mention that unless people are mistaken this doesn't really do anything to me anyway? A number of people have specifically said "in the United States" when talking about this whole thing. Also Andy1909 inspired me to check Amazon.ca and while some things were even or slightly cheaper a lot of stuff was more expensive. Biggest savings would be the Falcon at almost $10 cheaper (Amazon Prime only, otherwise I'd have to pay shipping which would probably be around $10). The T-70 and TIE/FO were actually more expensive, costing $5.33 more than I paid for each of mine at the local place. *Yes, I know GW did something like this at some point. The difference is that this is at worst the third time FFG has done anything that could be considered an intentional **** move against their customers (the first two being putting awesome upgrades in Epic ships, which I thought was perfectly above board but some would disagree). Games Workshop has an established history of pulling a truly impressive array of tricks to make customers spend more on their game. This one parallel is not grounds for all the Warhammer refugees to have flashbacks. If we see a couple more shifts I'll consider joining the pani but it's way too early to start that now.