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  1. I've head canoned it that the FO trained their Stormtroopers in anti saber melee techniques. That's why Fin seemed to have experience fighting against a lightsaber.

    TR-8R backs that up. They do have "kill Skywalker" near the top of their to-do list, and shooting at him with blasters isn't going to work. The First Order knows that, so they planned accordingly. 

     

     

    I think the biggest problem people have with the Rey v. Kylo fight is that it (on the surface) throws pretty much every piece of media we've been shown since ANH out the airlock. 

    All the movies, TV shows, books, video games etc. have their protagonists improving over time, (queue the Rocky montage) This is a basic tried and true story telling device and having Rey pick up a lightsaber for the first time, close her eyes and proceed to just destroy Darth Vader's grandson who was trained by Luke Skywalker himself feels like being impressed with someone who used cheat codes to beat a video game. It makes it seem like Kylo was never really a threat to begin with and subsequently cheapens Rey's victory. (Any Dark Force user that takes longer than 2 seconds to kill a STORMTROOPER in lightsaber combat should probably hang up his black cloak).

    A couple of caveats, we don't know everything. So it's possible that Kylo is just incredibly weak in the Force and/or Rey has had extensive Jedi training and Luke mind wiped her and everyone else's memories to protect her origins and/or Luke was channeling his strength through Rey during the fight and/or some other McGuffin. But just taking into account what was shown to us in the movie I would say it’s more than fair for fans to feel a little let down with the Rey-is-perfect-at everything-the-first-time-she-does-it thing. 

    Kylo had been shot by a weapon that made a guy do a backflip earlier. As I recall, he was hunched over and at one point missed an opportunity to kill Finn when his wound acted up and distracted him. He then nearly beat Rey despite having already fought an uninjured, physically fit opponent that may have had close combat training. Honestly the fact that he didn't just collapse and die the first time she got the advantage is pretty impressive, and he isn't fully trained yet. 

     

    Also note that Rey has been in fights before, judging from her winning that 2v1 on Jakku. She may not know the ins and outs of lightsaber combat but she does have some skills to draw on. She was also furious at Ren for killing Han (and Finn, or so she thought) and we've consistently seen Force users get way more dangerous when they're angry. 


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    Okay, just as long as hating it because an inexperienced character, using easily countered stabbing attacks, using a highly dangerous new weapon, who was previously immobilized by the mind alone of her opponent, who suddenly became a badass because her opponent said the word "force" defeated an opponent who was vastly more skilled, who had previously held his opponent immobilized with his mind alone, who was familiar with his weapon, is okay.

    This is right on. Kylo had likely been practicing for years, had some training at the hands of luke and was good enough to kill every other trainee. The only excuse he has is that he was wounded, which i would have prefered been more obvious if that was the reason.

    Then there is maz' ties everything up chracter. When I start having flashbacks to jeepers creepers in the theatre it is a bad sign!

    Wtf with sleeping beauty r2d2? I could go on and on with little nitpicky things. I thought the movie was entertaining overall but with the resources at their disposal why wasn't this the best movie I've ever seen?

     

    More obvious? They showed a trail of blood that he left behind, he was clearly hampered by his wound (stopping more than once when it acted up or to strike it to motivate himself--Dark Side runs on pain and anger, after all). They also went out of their way three times to highlight just how powerful the bowcaster is. First when Han send s a guy flying with it and then draws attention to it ("hint, hint" whispers JJ), second when TR-8R gets hit so hard he goes flying despite his armor and tonfa thing, and yet again when the Stormtrooper on Starkiller base hits the wall so hard that you can shattered pieces of his armor on the ground. That only happened to him, so it must have been the wall impact. That bowcaster is like the Star Wars equivalent of a .50 or maybe even a .500 S&W. 

     

    So yeah, Kylo Ren had a bit of a problem there. 


  3. As a UK customer I've very rarely found discounts greater than 20% so I don't really care. US based customers of most products get things much cheaper than we do.

    Same in Canada. Seems like once you step outside the US prices and wages both go up, though. I found a map showing the minimum wage in every mainland state and province and their highest was about the same as our lowest. I'm curious as to how many jobs in the States pay above minimum*, and what the difference in price becomes if you factor in wages. 

     

    *Specifically, how many jobs pay minimum up here but above minimum in the States. 


  4. I missed the part where the hyperbole applied to film promoters as well as opposed to just detractors.

    People that liked TFA haven't created several threads about it. At most, there's this one and another that was made as a rebuttal to more negative threads. There's a neutral one trying to get opinions, and several discussing what might be added to the game, but most of the threads intended to talk about the movie are started by people that didn't like it. 


  5.  

    Speaking of the EU, I present The Sequel to the Jedi Academy Trilogy the Inhabitants of the Carida System Deserve

     

     

     

    LUKE: …so, anyways, if you guys could just release Kyp back into my custody, I’ll just, uh, take him back to Yavin 4, the planet where he initially encountered the spirit of Exar Kun and turned to the dark side, and continue his Jedi training.

     
    MON MOTHMA: What? No.
     
    LEIA: Absolutely not.
     
    BORSK FEY’LYA: It feels borderline criminal that you would even ask us that.
     
    MON MOTHMA: This is a court of law. You get that, right? Like…I get that he’s your buddy, or whatever, but he’s literally killed more people than Darth Vader and Moff Tarkin put together.
     
    LUKE: Right, right, I know, but he’s really sorry.
     
    MON MOTHMA: I mean…okay?

     

    There was also that whole thing with a clone of Palpatine turning Luke to the Dark Side or some other nonsense. And the Vong, which were an interesting idea but a horrible execution.


  6.  

    MaxTeranous, on 30 Dec 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:MaxTeranous, on 30 Dec 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:MaxTeranous, on 30 Dec 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:

    Realistically this is the change.

     

    Before: online 40% off, FLGS 10% off

     

    After: online 20% off, FLGS 10% off

     

    Does it suck personally for you if you only ever buy online? Yes. Is it a good change for the long term heath of the game? Yes.

     

    That's the dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum.

     

    Why is that a good change for the long term health of the game? What real evidence are you basing that on?  

     

    Anecdotal evidence, but everyone I know that plays miniatures games either saw them at the store or was introduced by someone who did. There would be no X-Wing at all in this city if we didn't have an LGS, or at the very least there would be a massive drop. Even the guys that play at home tend to buy at the store and most are regulars. Brick-and-mortars are like free marketing, and in my case often the only source of information I have on what's new. Stop letting your bitterness get in the way and at least consider that there are upsides to this even if they don't apply to you personally.


  7.  

    HOK: IMPERIAL SQUAD

    100 points

    PILOTS

     

    Darth Vader (35)

    TIE Advanced (29),

    TIE/x1 (0),

    Veteran Instincts (1),

    Engine Upgrade (4),

    Advanced Targeting Computer (5)

     

    Soontir Fel (35)

    TIE Interceptor (27),

    Royal Guard TIE (0),

    Push the Limit (3),

    Stealth Device (3),

    Autothrusters (2)

     

    Omicron Group Pilot (30)

    Lambda-Class Shuttle (21),

    Emperor Palpatine (8),

    Tactical Jammer (1)

     

    So just a monthly play by play in meantime I can get the core set and get used to the game, the rules whilst i put the bits together for the squad =)

     

    That's a strong list, although be aware that it does punish you for mistakes. Soontir dies quickly if caught in a bad spot. That said, I've played variations and this list is really fun to play. Very capable of reacting to whatever your opponent does, two strong aces, and tons of dice modification. You'll also learn positioning quickly this way because Soontir relies on it.


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    When roughly 75% of the player base leaves a game after you change edition you know you screwed up.  So many players were pissed they created another game because of Hasbros idiotic decision making. 

     

    They "Killed" what they had.  Funny thing was them reprinting old 3.5 books a few years later to try to get people back.  My local store had few if any 4.0 books but lots of Pathfinder and Reprinted 3.5 books. 

    So they should have just kept the bloated mess going instead? I'm sure tons of people left when AD&D was replaced by 2nd Editiion, and again when that was replaced by 3rd, and yet again when that was largely replaced by 3.5. D&D has continued to be a financial juggernaut regardless. 

     

     

    So they should have tried the same thing over and over and over? 4e needed to be something entirely new and I liked it. It wasn't traditional DnD and lacked any real social machanics, but the latter case was hardly ever in DnD to begin with and after the magical bloat that made mundanes as exciting to play as a dishwasher, it needed something entirely new. It was a breath of fresh air.

     

    BUT OF COURSE THE FANS KNOW BEST SO I'M GOING TO TYPE IN CAPS AND EXPRESS MY RAGE UNTIL THEY REWRITE 4E INTO 3.5! BECAUSE BACKTRACKING A SYSTEM OR PLAYING DND NEXT WOULD BE COMPLETELY ILLOGICAL, **** YOU WIZARDS FOR TRYING SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE!!! WARRRAGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH*

     

    *What I read whenever I enter a debate about anything on a forum

     

    I liked 4E, that's the only version I've D&D I've actually played. I was saying that they were right to drop 3.5 and move on to a new edition. 

     

     

    If you've never played anything but 4E then how could you possibly know if it was right for them to drop 3.5?

     

    4E was terrible in my opinion, way too much focus on MMORPG style classes almost certainly due to the popularity of WoW. Pathfinder was a much better successor to 3.5

     

    Because 3.5 had been out for ages and everyone else at the table had made the switch. They would often tell me about the balance issues that 3.5 had, which seemed considerably worse than 4E's balance issues. I'm not saying 3.5 was necessarily bad, but the longer a game is out the more balance issues will appear and the more you start seeing neglected classes or adventures that are just way too easy due to power creep. Inevitably, moving on to a new edition becomes a simpler and better suggestion than attempting to fix those problems. 

     

    Games that don't get expansions or only get very few can be an exception, but 3.5 definitely didn't fit that criteria. Neither did 4E, of course. 

     

    Personally I liked 4E but combat mechanics are how you get me to a table. Even when I did start roleplaying my characters more I tended to have one or two personality traits at most and were built to win fights first and do anything else second. From a hack and slash perspective I think 4E worked very well.


  9. That makes sense. I was a bit confused because it seemed like you (Lordbiscuit) were arguing with me, but you were fundamentally agreeing with what I was saying. I actually had some sarcastic remark about actually reading what I posted before it occurred to me that you might just be backing me up on what I was saying. Glad I removed it before hitting "post". 

     

    I suspect LordBlades is right on why people lashed out at 4E, although I roll my eyes at the people who did. D&D suffers from the same issue superheroes do: a large portion of the fans feel like things are getting stale, but end up hating the changes. Personally the thing that always annoyed me about D&D (more like D&D players) is the tendency to overuse stereotypes for each class. You know, the fighter is brave and a bit dumb, the barbarian is basically a temperamental retard, the wizard is an insufferable genius, and so on. Then I would go online and see complaints about how those archtypes had gotten stale (they had) but people also complained endlessly when D&D tried to go in new and interesting directions with either mechanics or lore. I've taken to calling it "the Superman problem". 


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    When roughly 75% of the player base leaves a game after you change edition you know you screwed up.  So many players were pissed they created another game because of Hasbros idiotic decision making. 

     

    They "Killed" what they had.  Funny thing was them reprinting old 3.5 books a few years later to try to get people back.  My local store had few if any 4.0 books but lots of Pathfinder and Reprinted 3.5 books. 

    So they should have just kept the bloated mess going instead? I'm sure tons of people left when AD&D was replaced by 2nd Editiion, and again when that was replaced by 3rd, and yet again when that was largely replaced by 3.5. D&D has continued to be a financial juggernaut regardless. 

     

     

    So they should have tried the same thing over and over and over? 4e needed to be something entirely new and I liked it. It wasn't traditional DnD and lacked any real social machanics, but the latter case was hardly ever in DnD to begin with and after the magical bloat that made mundanes as exciting to play as a dishwasher, it needed something entirely new. It was a breath of fresh air.

     

    BUT OF COURSE THE FANS KNOW BEST SO I'M GOING TO TYPE IN CAPS AND EXPRESS MY RAGE UNTIL THEY REWRITE 4E INTO 3.5! BECAUSE BACKTRACKING A SYSTEM OR PLAYING DND NEXT WOULD BE COMPLETELY ILLOGICAL, **** YOU WIZARDS FOR TRYING SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE!!! WARRRAGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH*

     

    *What I read whenever I enter a debate about anything on a forum

     

    I liked 4E, that's the only version I've D&D I've actually played. I was saying that they were right to drop 3.5 and move on to a new edition. 


  11.  

    5x Omega Squadron Pilot (17)
    Crack Shot (1)
    Weapons Guidance (2)

     

    100 pts

     

    Can this list work?

     

    It could, but I don't think it offers a lot over Howlrunner and four Black Squadron Pilots. That leaves six points for upgrades after you give all five of them Crack Shot. Weapons Guidance is decent insurance, but for 10 points I think you'd be farther ahead upgrading someone to a named pilot. The TIE/FO is good but in this instance I think you want to stick with the classic. 


  12. When roughly 75% of the player base leaves a game after you change edition you know you screwed up.  So many players were pissed they created another game because of Hasbros idiotic decision making. 

     

    They "Killed" what they had.  Funny thing was them reprinting old 3.5 books a few years later to try to get people back.  My local store had few if any 4.0 books but lots of Pathfinder and Reprinted 3.5 books. 

    So they should have just kept the bloated mess going instead? I'm sure tons of people left when AD&D was replaced by 2nd Editiion, and again when that was replaced by 3rd, and yet again when that was largely replaced by 3.5. D&D has continued to be a financial juggernaut regardless. 


  13. Didn't George Lucas say that the Dark Side is actually an imbalance? I was under the impression that he had said the Dark Side was preventing the Force from being balanced as long as there was any real power behind it. If so, Vader balanced it by killing the Emperor and then dying, thus removing the last two powerful Dark Side users in the galaxy. 

     

    I know the EU was loaded with Sith and Dark Jedi that were alive around that time. Don't care, isn't canon. The EU was also ignored entirely during the writing of the prequels, for better or for worse. 

     

    It's also possible that they just decided to ignore all that prophecy nonsense. I'm pretty open to the prequels but I thought the idea of an ancient prophecy was a little weird and that the prophecy itself was unusually specific given how almost everyone was limited to having good/bad feelings about something and the only major "I have foreseen it" moments were painfully obvious or turned out to be wrong (Palpatine predicting that 1-Luke would confront Vader and 2-Luke would turn to the Dark Side).


  14. You simply have not right to dictate were I  or ANYONE else must play or purchase. 

     

    On top of that the entire Asmodee move is to make more money for themselves.  Only a fool would think otherwise.

    Nobody is telling you where to play or buy things. FFG/Asmodee is giving you a nudge towards local places but they aren't telling you that you can't buy online. I understand that you don't want the prices to go up but stop taking this like some sort of court order telling you what to do. 

     

    I suppose a store owner might impose a "table fee" if he knew you bought all your stuff online but I'm pretty sure you don't play at an LGS so that doesn't really matter. My point is that neither FFG/Asmodee or anyone on this forum is telling you that you have to buy X-Wing at certain places. 


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    Can you have Chewbacca(pilot) and Dash with Chewbacca (crew) on him.

     

    Let me answer your question with a question:  How can Chewie be both piloting the Falcon and - at the same time - be crewing the Outrider?

     

    You're not wrong, but let me illustrate a problem with this approach with a question: Why does Baron Fel keep getting shot at by dudes in bloodstriped Interceptors who insist that they are Baron Fel?

     

    Kaminoans are at it again. 


  16. I classify EPTs (and other upgrades) into 3 tiers:

     

    Top tier: (Predator, Crackshot, Juke, Lone Wolf)

    These are almost always useful (if you meet the prereqs) - although not necessarily the best in every situation.

     

    Mid tier: (VI, PTL, Outmaneuver, Expert Handling, Expose)

    These are more situational - but are still EPTs I do use quite a bit.

     

    Combo tier: (Everything else)

    Unless a specific combo exists with say a pilot card ability or another upgrade, I seldom use these. Sometimes a combo can be far superior to a Top tier choice.

    PTL in mid tier? In the same tier as Expose?! What is this blasphemy? 

     

    Anyway, back to Eyegor. The best EPTs usually do one or more of the following: let you modify dice in some way, give you more actions, or improve on your actions in a big way. There's already been some good explanations on the major EPTs, so I'll say that things like Expert Handling should be taken by things that can't barrel roll on their own. If you already have the action, shedding the target lock won't be worth two points (unless Omega Leader is popular in your area?). Being able to barrel roll in a T-70 or Decimator? That might just be worth two points. 

     

    A point that bears repeating is that depending on what you want a given ship to do, you should either improve their ability to do that or mitigate weaknesses. For example I have a list in the works that throws a few TIE fighters at my opponent to soften them up for my named pilots. I went with Blackshots (Black Squadron w/ Crack Shot) because they exist to slam into the enemy and then die for all I care. Crack Shot should allow them to slip some extra damage in early. On Xizor I usually use Veteran Instincts because he wants to dodge around firing arcs and that can be hard to do if up against pilot skill 8, but with VI I can guarantee that he moves after all the 7 and 8 pilots and he might move after the other 9s, which means I can more reliably keep him out of trouble while still getting shots.

     

    Also, if you can take actions before moving PTL is always fun when revealing a green. BB-8+PTL is very entertaining. 


  17. Not every game, but Vader, Poe, Miranda, and Talonbane are often the first pilot I choose. Now that the T-70 is out Poe will likely see a drop in use as I try out Ello and Red Ace, but he's crazy so I suspect he'll be my go-to when I need a ship that can carry the game for me if I'm playing Rebels. I'm also very fond of Xizor, because the Virago with Advanced Sensors is like the mutant baby of an Interceptor and a B-Wing.


  18. Not saying there isn't better choices but wouldn't Markmanship also be decent if a pilot has some form of native defense (like Poe) or regen capability? Thanks for helping clarify. As a new player, choosing an EPT that syncs will with your pilot and/or squad is an important part of list building that I don't have a great handle on yet.

    Sort of. Poe doesn't want it because he needs to have a focus token to do his thing, so Marksmanship isn't worth using even if your opponent let you equip it as if it cost 0. Corran Horn can get some use out of it thanks to his double tap, and with Biggs nearby you can do so without fear. Most pilots that could get some use out of Marksmanship would rather take Predator, it costs the same but requires no actions and can help with blank dice. 

     

    In short, a pilot that can safely say they don't care about the incoming fire could equip Marksmanship, but they almost certainly have better options. It's a weak upgrade, although if you have a smaller collection it could be worth using. 


  19.  

    So much hyperbole in this thread. You can still buy online, so can we stop with all the doomsaying about how FFG is trying to tell you what you're allowed to do or claiming that this is some kind of personal attack? 

     

    It could be clearer, sure. But so far it looks like they're trying to prevent online retailers from being able to sell at crazy low costs on a somewhat regular basis. As someone who works an entry level job, you can afford to pay what I've been paying at my local store. Hell, I've been buying X-Wing, Armada, computer parts, paint supplies, videogames, and bullets all year without any serious financial hiccups or missed payments on things like bills or rent. All despite the fact that I'm bad at math and worse at keeping track of my money. If someone as financially incompetent as I am can handle these prices then so can you. 

     

    No, you probably won't see Imperial Veterans selling for $10 or Epic ships going for $40 anymore. But you won't be forced to quit the game due to a lack of nearby game stores, either. You'll just have to pay what I've been paying. Well, adjusted for region and all. Like I said before, I've been paying LGS prices this entire time and the only time I've gone broke since starting this game was because I impulse bought a rifle after forgetting I owed like $300 on my credit card. Even then I found money for the Outrider and Decimator

     

    You aren't being deprived of access to X-Wing. You aren't being discriminated against. You're used to getting crazy deals from a business model that runs very low costs and now that you're probably not getting "barely profiting" prices it just feels like you're being screwed. 

     

    It kind of seems like you don't buy online, I've never seen prices that good outside of used deals on ebay. Beware of Hyperbolie lest you become the monster, or something like that.

     

     

    Here is the skinny. I recently purchased rpg books for Force and Destiny.

     

    My first purchase was the FaD beginner game, I had a $5 off coupon for being a frequent customer at a local game shop, so it softened the blow.

    My group liked it.

     

    So my options were as follows:

     

    1. Purchase the rulebook from the lgs for $64, and the adventure book for $32

    2. Just keep playing the games we have for free without spending anything. (DnD, Shadowrun)

    3. Purchase them online for $45 and $20

    4. Download them from a pirating site even though downloading data is illegal because people can own a series of 1s and 0s (lol)

     

    I never rule out #4, but I didn't think the value was there for number 1. Me, personally, I looked at what was being offered for that price and I judged it wasn't worth that relatively minor investment for the materials.

     

    But at #3, at THAT price point, I felt there was a reasonable amount of value. And because it was a good value, I also purchased an additional source book for another 20. So instead of 2 products, 3 were sold. And then I threw a TIE Punisher in to the cart because it was on sale and I wanted another Extra Munitions card and TIE Mk2 mods. So 4 products were sold!

     

    And that is the whole point, there are many different types of customers, with different purchasing habits. Often times people buy a product ONLY because they can get a good deal on it. If they had to pay full retail, they would pass on it completely. If you think cutting off online sales will make those same online customers migrate 100% into a brick and mortar store you are completely clueless.

     

    Think about the initial foray in to Scum and Villainy faction. I'll bet I wasn't the only one who looked at it, said to myself "I already have lots of Imperials." and took a pass, only to pick a few ships up later when there were some sales.

     

    I have a bigger version of this post on page 7 of the thread, but yes I'm pretty much local store only. Miniature Market looked cheaper but between exchange rates and shipping I ultimately ended up waiting and paying about the same. Been a while now but I recall the price being very close but I lost the convenience of having it immediately. 

     

    I'm not as upset with people being unhappy at this change as my original post may imply. They don't want to pay more, I get that. I've been raising the black flag every time I want something that I feel is too expensive or too difficult to find. Mostly I was frustrated by the number of people equating an unknown increase in prices and/or decrease in sales to FFG/Asmodee straight up blocking all online sales. That and people treating this like an deliberate insult or act of disrespect from FFG when it's a business decision. You can think it's a smart one or a stupid one, but to assume it's being done to spite the players is stupid in ways I'm not allowed to properly describe on these forums. 

     

    Honestly I'm just frustrated with the way that nerds (and yes I consider myself a nerd) have a tendency to get really worked up over things. This might be horrible, it might be nothing. Bit early for the torches and pitchforks. A lot of this is lingering frustration from the panic and nitpicking that inevitably happens when things are spoiled, like those two threads hailing Kanan as the harbinger of the end times. But as I said in my second post I honestly don't care unless it actually does hurt the player base enough to have an impact on me.


  20. I think the decision to make the Imperial Veteran's pack is just way easier for NEW players. As in, players that get into the game some time after the expansion comes out. It just makes it so much easier for NEW players to increase their fleet.

    I know it's a pain for us players who already have lots of each ship, but honestly, when we make purchases of ANYTHING, we take a risk that it will become obsolete at some point.

    I've always believed strongly in FFG's policy of not including things you can't use with the ship. Imagine trying to explain to a new guy that just bought a TIE Defender that if he wants to put Maarek Stele in the cockpit and ion fools, he needs to buy a TIE Adv. Prototype and something with an ion cannon. This way he can instead get most (all?) of that and a second Defender, just as running two of them becomes something that people other than Hobojebus might do on a regular basis. Actually, I think even he prefers to run Brath or Vessery. 


  21.  

    So much hyperbole in this thread. You can still buy online, so can we stop with all the doomsaying about how FFG is trying to tell you what you're allowed to do or claiming that this is some kind of personal attack? 

     

    It could be clearer, sure. But so far it looks like they're trying to prevent online retailers from being able to sell at crazy low costs on a somewhat regular basis. As someone who works an entry level job, you can afford to pay what I've been paying at my local store. Hell, I've been buying X-Wing, Armada, computer parts, paint supplies, videogames, and bullets all year without any serious financial hiccups or missed payments on things like bills or rent. All despite the fact that I'm bad at math and worse at keeping track of my money. If someone as financially incompetent as I am can handle these prices then so can you. 

     

    No, you probably won't see Imperial Veterans selling for $10 or Epic ships going for $40 anymore. But you won't be forced to quit the game due to a lack of nearby game stores, either. You'll just have to pay what I've been paying. Well, adjusted for region and all. Like I said before, I've been paying LGS prices this entire time and the only time I've gone broke since starting this game was because I impulse bought a rifle after forgetting I owed like $300 on my credit card. Even then I found money for the Outrider and Decimator

     

    You aren't being deprived of access to X-Wing. You aren't being discriminated against. You're used to getting crazy deals from a business model that runs very low costs and now that you're probably not getting "barely profiting" prices it just feels like you're being screwed.

    You, and Asmodee, have a misunderstanding of how free markets work. If the demand is at lower prices, what do you think will happen if you increase prices and supply remains the same? Yup, demand will fall. This is a hard lesson other companies had to learn, eg Games Workshop and Mayfair.

    You can act noble all you want for stupidly over-paying for the same product but that's sadly not how businesses survive. Consumers LOVE saving money, or at least appearing to save money (JCPenny). If one store charges more but offers nothing in return, they'll have a hard time staying in business, regardless what they sell.

    In the end, this is just another widget sold by retailers, and we as conaumers will vote with our wallet, intentionally or not.

     

    I'm not acting noble. I'm basically saying "suck it up, I have no sympathy." For starters, after exchange rates are applied and shipping rates happen I'm usually paying the same to order online as I would to go to my LGS and buy there, except now I have to wait for it to arrive. So, no I actually haven't been paying a lot more since I'm willing to pay the usual price instead of waiting for sales. Patience isn't one of my strengths. I'm aware that people like saving money, I simply don't care when those people aren't me. Thirdly, the owner of my LGS has stated on multiple occasions that he considers buying our stuff at his store to be our "table fee" and has contemplated charging known online buyers to use his tables. Fourth, many of the new players in town only know the game even exists because they saw our Saturday group playing in the back and asked about it. Others have bought the game largely because they could see how much we were enjoying it. Local stores can serve a marketing purpose because they want the game to be popular as much as FFG does. 

     

    It's also worth noting that I consider the owner of my LGS a friend, so I have a degree of loyalty that is completely absent when dealing other businesses. If I were to move to another city I would compare the cost of buying locally against buying online...and probably end up buying locally for reasons I mentioned above. Hate waiting for things to arrive in the mail. 

     

    I think I could have worded my original post better, though. The message I want to send is simple. 

    1) Stop ranting about how you can't buy X-Wing online. They explicitly said that you'll still be able to. You just won't see as many of those big sales that various sites used to do and it seems likely that the cost will go up in general. That is not the same as forcing you to drive to a city X distance away to buy the game, though the cost per miniature might be very close. 

     

    2) Stop treating this like a personal attack ("it's like they're saying we're scum for buying online" -Vulf; Tokyogriz accused them of "declaring war on the fans" in another thread, this topic compares them to Big Brother despite that not making any sense). FFG, Asmodee, whoever made this decision isn't doing this out of some kind of malice aimed at you. At worst they don't care how it will impact you compared to how it will effect me.

     

    So, yeah. I'm not sure why you think I'm even trying to talk about how free market economics work. Was it the bit about how people can still afford it? I was saying that specifically to make it clear that yes, they can still afford it. Maybe not as much, maybe not as easily, but seriously if I can build the collection I have with the wage I make then so can most everyone on this site. I'm not saying they have to be happy about it, I'm just not allowed to swear at the people that are acting like this just immediately became as expensive as Warhammer is*. 

     

    EDIT: I live in Canada so I should mention that unless people are mistaken this doesn't really do anything to me anyway? A number of people have specifically said "in the United States" when talking about this whole thing. Also Andy1909 inspired me to check Amazon.ca and while some things were even or slightly cheaper a lot of stuff was more expensive. Biggest savings would be the Falcon at almost $10 cheaper (Amazon Prime only, otherwise I'd have to pay shipping which would probably be around $10). The T-70 and TIE/FO were actually more expensive, costing $5.33 more than I paid for each of mine at the local place. 

     

    *Yes, I know GW did something like this at some point. The difference is that this is at worst the third time FFG has done anything that could be considered an intentional **** move against their customers (the first two being putting awesome upgrades in Epic ships, which I thought was perfectly above board but some would disagree). Games Workshop has an established history of pulling a truly impressive array of tricks to make customers spend more on their game. This one parallel is not grounds for all the Warhammer refugees to have flashbacks. If we see a couple more shifts I'll consider joining the pani but it's way too early to start that now.

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