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    mysticpickle2 got a reaction from randomblink in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    Welp, cardgameDB is gone.  I'm cancelling my datapack preorders and jumping ship.  I'll be staying far away from anything with the Fantasy Flight Logo on it from now on.  Apparently the only way your voice will reach the soulless wights that run Fantasy Flight is to put away your wallet.
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    mysticpickle2 got a reaction from Pixel in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    Well with only jerks like you left in the community I'm glad to go.  Later.
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to xsdogstar in Post here if you don't find the NetrunnerDB C&D unreasonable   
    Long term mtg player and decided to try netrunner.
     
    Finding OCTGN is the main reason that I've pursued playing and learning the game.
    Then I find netrunnerdb and it's also helpful.  So I went and bought about half of the datasets so far.
    Then I found Cyberdeck on my Android  (pun intended) phone Google Play which I was using to browse the cards and learn the cards, learn the game...
     
    So then you trash netrunnerdb
    which trashes Cyberdeck
     
    What's next OCTGN... then you've lost a player.
     
    Since you've trashed netrunnerdb and the community that it had.
    And Cyberdeck and the small community that it had.
    FFG should have to at least provide the same type of resources...
     
    Netrunnerdb was gaining you a following and you've shut that down...
     
    If they were printing t-shirts and selling fake cards then sure you go after them..
     
    You should have offered that kid a job and made it an official site of FFG...
    It's easy to break things and that is all most people can think of...
     
    And for this supposed to be a cyberpunk game and you shut down a cyberpunk feel site.
    I would have never done that.
     
    You should be sucking up to that site and saying that you can work together... link to it and sell t-shirts and cards and grab corporate information.
     
    FFG Corporation 1   -   Shaper Netrunnerdb 0
     
    xsdogstar
     
     
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to xsdogstar in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    Long term mtg player and decided to try netrunner.
     
    Finding OCTGN is the main reason that I've pursued playing and learning the game.
    Then I find netrunnerdb and it's also helpful.  So I went and bought about half of the datasets so far.
    Then I found Cyberdeck on my Android  (pun intended) phone Google Play which I was using to browse the cards and learn the cards, learn the game...
     
    So then you trash netrunnerdb
    which trashes Cyberdeck
     
    What's next OCTGN... then you've lost a player.
     
    Since you've trashed netrunnerdb and the community that it had.
    And Cyberdeck and the small community that it had.
    FFG should have to at least provide the same type of resources...
     
    Netrunnerdb was gaining you a following and you've shut that down...
     
    If they were printing t-shirts and selling fake cards then sure you go after them..
     
    You should have offered that kid a job and made it an official site of FFG...
    It's easy to break things and that is all most people can think of...
     
    And for this supposed to be a cyberpunk game and you shut down a cyberpunk feel site.
    I would have never done that.
     
    You should be sucking up to that site and saying that you can work together... link to it and sell t-shirts and cards and grab corporate information.
     
    FFG Corporation 1   -   Shaper Netrunnerdb 0
     
    xsdogstar
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to xsdogstar in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    ((Moving the post from the wrong thread, thank you Grimwalker...
    I realized the double negative within the title...
    I didn't see a thread where one could disagree with the event.)))
     
    My points still stand. 
     
    To have an audience that is immersed in cyber, you have to be immersed as well.
    And provide the same tools.
     
    Why?  to grow your business by having players become immersed.
     
    It is a good game mechanic.  The artwork is excellent and I realize the importance of the copyright.
     
    The original netrunner is no more because it didn't have the technology to support the players.
    Now it exists.
     
    I would be talking with OCTGN and cleaning up his interface to make it easier to use and host it right on FFG.  neetrunnerdb was really good and useful to help learn this game.
     
    If you don't have money, then run a kickstarter campaign.
    You need to wake up. And see the opportunity here.  Envision selling electronic cards... etc...
     
    I'm not angry, just a bit disappointed.  There is a steep learning curve on the game and not a lot of resources, and even fewer now.
     
     
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    mysticpickle2 got a reaction from xsdogstar in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    I disagree.  You're taking a very narrow view of the situation.  A huge reason people play these LCGs is for the community that springs up around them.  In case you didn't know, Netrunner requires an opponents to play.  Everyone who so loves this game wants to encourage more people to get into the game so they'll have more folks to play with now and in the future.  If Fantasy Flight is taking actions that are actively breaking these communities apart, it sets a very clear message that the company is more interested in protecting their IP than ensuring that the people who buy their games have the resources to enjoy them fully.  I don't see how choosing not to support a company that doesn't have it's customer's best interests at heart is considered a "stupid reason."
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    mysticpickle2 got a reaction from xsdogstar in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    It's really sad that Fantasy Flight decided to shoot itself in the foot like this.  Netrunnerdb.com is simply trying to grow the netrunner community and ultimately Fantasy Flight's bottom line by offering alternative deckbuilding and sharing options.  The fact that Fantasy Flight decided to sic it's lawyers blindly makes me think a great deal less of them.  I'm personally boycotting all Fantasy Flight products and encouraging everyone else I know in my community to do the same.
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to ademre in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    SIGNED
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to etherial in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    Signed
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to mrspank in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    Signed.  I can't believe Fantasy Flight would shut down netrunnerdb.  It's lunacy I tell ya!
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to skwizzle in Post here if you don't find the NetrunnerDB C&D unreasonable   
    Again, it's more plausible that FFG acted alone. There's just no reason for WotC to care. They're not even selling the game. They're just getting tribute from Fantasy Flight.
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to skwizzle in Post here if you don't find the NetrunnerDB C&D unreasonable   
    Yeah, except I didn't copy-paste like you did. Since you're obviously a lawyer, please explain to me what the nature of this "intellectual property" is.
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to skwizzle in Post here if you don't find the NetrunnerDB C&D unreasonable   
    Please explain what WotC had copyrighted here. Fantasy Flight owns the card art and text. Moreover, there are tons of Magic sites like NetrunnerDB, and WotC has never sent out cease-and-desist letters to them. Why would they be concerned over Netrunner and not their flagship game? There's no evidence that anybody at WotC cares about Netrunner at all. I'm sorry, but this is some of the most groundless speculation I've seen come out of this whole thing.
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to skwizzle in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    Yes, I am stating that. Now, before you say "Nothing is impossible", let me say... I can't imagine a plausible scenario where there was a good reason. If you have evidence that it was a good reason, I'd be happy to see it.
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to HuntaKiller in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    No one at FFG has the courage to stick there heads above the ramparts for this one,quite simply because of the pure backlash/head removal,they would receive from the many disgruntled players about FFG actions in this matter.
    you can quote copyright,other legal terms and any other BS all you like until the cows come home;
     
    Simple fact,netrunner db was a good site for players (new and old), to source cards, look at/share deck ideas etc and FFG took it away.
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to thopol in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    Grimwalker, I think you probably got it spot on with your comment that any clear community guidelines could cause problems with FFG's partners and that's what's keeping them quiet.
     
    That said, when you have an outcry in your fiercely loyal community, ignoring it outright seems like a bad business practice.  I'm entirely confident that FFG could comment on the shutdown in such a way as to soothe the frustration of many people without alienating their partners.  I've found the community to be quite reasonable and mature (it may not seem that way, but this thread is going to be the vocal minority and I still think the level of discourse is comparatively high), so I think people will be understanding if FFG makes a little effort.  I mean, so much of what is flying around is conjecture.  We know very little about the situation at all.  How backwards would things have to be so that they couldn't communicate at all, clear up rumors, make a vague statement about why, without jeopardizing their licenses.  Assuming they can't seems awfully cynical.
     
    PS: I know that you weren't saying they can't communicate, just talking about why they are probably unwilling to.  I think you are totally right about their motives, I'm just saying there is probably a way they can soothe the community and still dodge any bullets.
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to Ranko in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    The strategy of holding your breath is usually better?
     
    Seriously, I agree that a boycott is the last measure as it is the strongest and locks you in one direction. But, how many people who sent mails received a response? How did FFG handle this in communicating towards the other fan site owners and the rest of the community? 
     
    Tangentially, am I the only one who is curious as to why any of the other sites have not been targeted? If so, why not? 
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to Ranko in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    As one of the people who used to run one of more than a dozen L5R fan sites, I must agree with this. Not to mention the silence and the wild rumours flying around. I am especially afraid of the one saying that if FFG offers the functionality they are the only ones in that sandbox. In addition to the previously listed resources and communities that are affected I am now afraid for all sites that have ANR articles (FFG does that), forums (FFG has that), YouTube channels (FGG...).
     
    So far only the podcasts are safe; until FFG decides to have one. 
     
     
    TL;DR - so far this has been a blow to any FFG fan site, 101 lesson how not to run your PR, and personally a hugely disappointing experience. 
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to skwizzle in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    There's one glaring problem with this argument: there's absolutely zero evidence to support it. You've never seen the contract that FFG has with Wizards. You don't have any communique from Wizards asking FFG to shut down NetrunnerDB. This is a scenario which you've made up out of whole cloth and apparently have accepted as fact...and yet I'm the one who's not based in reality.
     
    Just accept that Fantasy Flight lashed out at their own fan community for reasons that were horribly misguided and stupid. They weren't forced to do it. They chose to do it. It was a dumb decision. Perhaps they realize that now, perhaps they don't. There's no reason to make up silly stories in order to feel better about what they did, though.
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to thopol in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    Just to remind you, not communicating their objections to NRDB doesn't only hurt that site.  If there are ambiguities in what differentiates a site they allow and a site they will close, people will be more reluctant to make new sites.  The whole community suffers.
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to Bjorne in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    Very unfortunate that FFG has taken this move. I would have hoped that they could have communicated what they didn't like about netrunnerdb.com and given the guy a chance to change the site first. 
     
    SIGNED!
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to thopol in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    It's been a week with no word from FFG about this debacle.  I for one will post in this thread every day or two until they give us some explanation and I hope others will do the same.  I'm sure they think that it will just blow over and they will get away with this outrage without a scratch.  Until they give me a reason not to, I will stay angry and stay vocal and I encourage others to do the same.
     
     
    I honestly think capitalism, broadly, does not preclude the existence of responsible and accountable companies.  Before this ****show, I would have considered FFG to be among the ranks of such.
     
    I understand what you're getting at, but if you think all big companies become bad and recommend everyone find a small company to support, doesn't that mean you're making the latter company into the former?  I think it's better to hold the first company accountable, to be angry loud and vicious, than to abandon ship and enable another company to become the same monster.
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to Raziel in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    signed. This is where capitalism ultimately leads, all the time. However good their intention might have been in the beginning, FFG has become the same monster that capitalism makes out of every company. They have to grow more forever all the time, and that is bound to destroy the things that makes sense for them in the start. Let's look for the next small company that does things with the heart and leave this one behind.
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to duckylam in Petition against NetrunnerDB Cease & Desist   
    Signed. Will not buy another data pack or expansion again nor will I recommend others to start ANR unless and until this is resolved.
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    mysticpickle2 reacted to ervwalter in Post here if you don't find the NetrunnerDB C&D unreasonable   
    I agree that they were well within their legal rights.  "Legally valid" is not always the same as "reasonable".  
     
    In my opinion, the FFG response was "poor form" and was not the right way to handle this situation.  There were so many better ways to address their concerns (which were reasonable and legitimate) other than sending in the lawyers. 
     
    I know there are some great people at FFG, because I have met some of them at GenCon.  But FFG, as a whole, now feels like a bully corporation that cares only about the bottom line and not about their customers or the community that exists around this game.
     
    So legally valid?  Sure.  Smart?  Nope.
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