No one is. But for 3pts more you double your dice and maybe twice with EM. If you're going bomblet sure UR works; if you're not the point more gets you a bigger gun. I haven't proxied bomblet enough yet but, for me, connors and clusters and prox mines were the way to go. I'm not sure that dropping bomblets out the front is as good since they don't auto go off.

There is a bit more salt in the wounds than I would like. Than we all would. I've heard that argument too; it's just as foolish. The FS was a republic remnant and the Bounty Hunters who fly it are imperial contractors. It was one of the Empire's original core ships in Xwing. It has always been used in opposition to those that rebel. It's just as likely that the original thought behind giving it to the empire was that "scum" would be a "hirable faction" by both side than its own stand alone. What was, could have, should have, might have, maybe been is irrelevant to the fact that the empire has a ship that is not competitive and is shared with another faction where it is more competitive.

I'm not even sure he'll take them. He's already taking EM so for a point more to threaten and punch harder it's not great. Sure he'll only get 3-4 dice twice but, again, that's better than the 2.34 dice or whatever UG gets you.

Except that you can't take both. Would you rather get 5 fully modifiable dice once or twice for 5pts or less than 3 not nearly as modifiable dice 2-4 times (because you're dead)? Unguided rockets needed to be auto include good to really have a chance. They aren't and as better options continue to come out they'll continue to be less than useful.

This is still the worst argument for a ship to not get an update. Rebel TIE FIGHTERS shouldn't exist! Unfortunately both versions do exist. And the non-imperial version of imperial ships is currently better in each instance. That's what really sucks. Any improvement to the Imperial FS will have to look at the better Scum versions or go the "Imperial only" route; any improvements to ties have to look at rebel version or do the same...and we all know which faction gets stiffed on "_____only" upgrades so...

They weren't that good before. They were ok options for ships that had no better options. Everyone has better options now.

Anyone have any suggestions for Unkar play? He's tough to get a handle on for me right now.

Oh look... card packs... for not xwing...featuring an xwing...

X2

As in PTL does the same thing that Vader does only worse? Sure. Attani does allow the action efficiency of PTL for 2pts cheaper. It's limitations are that you can't double reposition and you have to have 2 active ships; if you can live with that, it's a bargain. Most current scum lists see it as such otherwise they'd take PTL (and some do). They token stack, point fortress, and alpha strike you off the board before it's drawbacks are even in play And remember, my part of this discussion started assuming we're dealing with U-boats. When you can get exactly the part that you need from PTL for 2pts cheaper on a ship that undercosted and you can multiply that savings by 2-3 then PTL's "can't double reposition" superiority isn't really needed (large base ship, High HP, 360'arc, and white sloop).

Oh no doubt it's not as good at the reposition game but that's about it. For 2pts less it's better in most lists...otherwise they would be taking PTL. Most are not. I'd be really interested to see how it would be used by the empire if it wasn't Scum only.

Not just mine, everyone's! Attani does let me do those things and then another ship with Attani focuses and all my Attani ships get focus. So either you're arguing just to argue or don't understand how it works. The three points you spend on three ships with Attani cost the same as PTL on one other ship and allow you to token stack just like PTL or take another action. You can't Boost and BR the same turn but it has to have some "drawback". But then again you get the free focus regardless of your other statuses as long as you're alive and another ship with it is alive.

Space Wizards. They'll do it with Space Wizards.

And that's where the meta is at... even a PS10 ultra action efficient/strip opponent token interceptor with full mods is just a touch above the current power level. It's not the interceptor's fault; that's where everything else sits.

That's kinda the issue... at a point more than Fenn x2 or x3 you lose. It's never a point more than Fenn or Soontir because you can do it twice, or three times! You can never take 2x Fenn or Soontir or 3x Fenn or Soontir. The closest you can get is Fenn/Teroch or Soontir/Canor which are arguably better than 2x torp scouts if all play skill is equal. Throw in a third and 3 toilet seats pretty much wipe out 3 proctorates or 3 interceptors any day of the week. You can manage giving up 2-4pts a game when all else is equal but when you hit that 6-9pts a game IN THE EPT SLOT and another handful of points on the chassis it's almost impossible to compete across 8 games. "play moar betterer" doesn't fly when you fly 9-15pts down a game at the competitive level "assuming there's no big play skill imbalance". That's a whole other ship!

Oh that's cute... your PTL costs 4 more on 2 ships and stress to get you the same as any attani list. That's right folks, PTL is 4-6 pts overcosted in this meta. Think about that for a minute. The former be all end all of epts is overcosted by 4-6pts in a list right now. and you can get it on the chassis that is 2-5pts undercosted. On a large base. That can turn around on a white maneuver bit doesn't need to with a 360 arc, an torp and droid slots...On. A. Large. Base. Ship. Costing less than Fenn or Soontir.

Says the guy with 8,400+ posts. Thanks for the vote of confidence... I just like that if it's an FO/Interceptor we're less likely to get the Avenger which already looked like a smooshed adv/ceptor. I'd take an update for either and both.

#neveravenger #nevergunboat al least with the FO/Interceptors coming I'll get one of my wishes. They still might try still try to sneak in that other ship if we're not vigilant enough. and woohoo... 4,700 posts. And I've even been cutting back.

I walks tried for at least 6... 7 is better, 8 is tops...

Without reading the rest of the thread, despite it being up for a few days, today I misread it: Meta and Attani Meta...

This is not the day you are looking for...

You say that like it's supposed to be a bad thing...

This looks fun: Unkar Plutt (17) Cikatro Vizago (0) Cloaking Device (2) Spacetug Tractor Array (2) Guri (30) Attanni Mindlink (1) Fire-Control System (2) Autothrusters (2) StarViper Mk. II (-3) Virago (1) Fenn Rau (28) Attanni Mindlink (1) Autothrusters (2) Concord Dawn Protector (1) Inaldra (15) Attanni Mindlink (1) "Light Scyk" Interceptor (-2) Total: 100 View in Yet Another Squad Builder

Interesting. Is tlt on Mux better than a named G1-A?

Mario Kart for sure. Just more racing and a little less Marioing is our preference.