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    I have just seen that in The Book Depository it is on sale for 25€, thanks! I am now thinking of getting two core sets (+ one or two expansions?). I do not think about one core set not just about not being able to be good, completition,… but that I want the number of copies of a card in a deck of X cards to make sense. I mean, 1 copy in 45-60 cards is a one-shoot per game card, that you do not want until a very precise moment of the game (too much cost, very precise effect that you do not want usually,… whatever). If you have cards like that but being cards that really makes sense and are useful at any moment, the luck is gonna be a too much important factor, and the deck identity is diluted into a circus :P. I think you know what I mean. That applies to all the number of copies of a card (althought in Netrunner because of the bluffing caracter of some thinks, it makes sense to have for example 1 kind of trap + 1 kind of a different trap, so that if the oponent sees the first, the next time he thinks it can be a trap, will think of the same type). Ah, ok, there can be also search effects, but…

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    Just in case you did not notice, I was arguing about 2 vs 3 core sets, because at least in Netrunner, to be competitive with just 1 core set + expansions is completely out of the question.

    Other options?

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Android-Netrunner-Core-Set-Completion-Cards-/261220189091

    But he does not ship overseas…

    I will look for similar packs for LotR… if you find someone, tell me please.

    Thanks

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    @Thanatopsis: In my first post, I already argued that it could not be just because of increased core set costs because they could just release a simple box with a complementary pack (they do not even have to do new art,… nothing new), but what it seems to me is that they thought that they could get less money because of the people that was going to buy 3 core sets. I would just wanted to demonstrate is that many people would buy that complementary set if they decide to do one, people that bought just one core set (and probably very few people like me, that would like have all the cards at some point and do not want to buy 3 core sets. are you tired of MTG? me too, but I do not want to acept just any other option even when it is "unfair").

    @mr.thomasschmidt: About the price, fyi at least here in Europe you pay AT LEAST 30€/set in the chepest way (Amazon) and it is a sale! (usually 32€). 32€ x3 = 96€ (124$) + shipping for a proper starter set + start buying the expansions… I do not know your case, but 30-60€ make a difference for me right now (I hope not in the future, but right now yes, and this is the start of an LCG, not a closed game, so 90€… ufff).

    @richsabre: So when do you say NO? Just if they do that after the core set? And if they do it in the first 3 expansions? How much are you willing to spend over the "real price" of a product? I hope you do not go to a Netrunner/LotR tournament and face people with 3 core sets if you just have one. After some time is this going to be "diluted"? I do not think it is going to be "completely" dilted (*), and right now I want to spend just some money, play, and do some decks, and I would be on my nerves if I pay 60€ + Shipping for 2 core sets and feel in the need to put 3 cards of the "1 in core set" type, as it happened to me on Netrunner with Desperado, Corporate Troubleshooter and Ice Carver (you probabbly would not ever want to include 3 of any of the other "rares". rares and costly cards, and you do not even see them on ebay anymore right now) -> costly because 35€/3 = 11,67€ each card (yes 35€ is the normal price for the Netrunner set in Europe, and is what I paid for each one, shipping not included, 40€ in some places. as sale, it can be 30€, but as a SALE, that is not a normal price, and usually you will not wait months to see a sale like that).

    And before you tell me that there is no point to put 3 of these cards, apart from my personal taste (where there is nothing to argue), you can go and see diferent tournament decks, like these (this is an example, I invite you to going google and check):

    http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/965710/top-8-decklists-from-420-32-player-netrunner-regio

    Do you like the 3rd and 5th position decks? You "just" bought 2 core sets as me paying 70€+shipping + all the expansions? Ok, you simply cannot put 3 Desperados, sorry. Buy a 3rd core set or change to… Magic? No. Ok, buy the set… NO. So… just acept it. Ok, I did it in Netrunner, pls not the same in LotR…

    (*) In Netrunner Desperado, Corporate Troubleshooter, and Ice Carver are not going to dissapear from many decks. They are very good cards, I even continue using Desperado over the new criminal console… And seems that in LotR there are also very good cards coming just once as "rares"…

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    Answering most of you:

    Yes, the LCG format is a great idea, the only problem are the core sets. From here and from other forums I have the idea that very few people buy 3 core sets, some people 2 (but a minority) and the vast majority just buy 1. It seems to me that they can make quite more money by releasing a "complementary core set" for the price of the core set (It would be more fair for us to be a bit less, but even at the same price…), because I am right if I think that many of the ones that did not buy more than one core set would buy that complementary set? Because, at least for me, thinking of bying 2 core sets and not having all the cards is quite awful in some way, even if it can be better than the "buying just one" option (I love thinking strategies doing deckbuilding, and if someone is used to that, he will know that the games change a lot when you are able to build good decks in comparison to have bad compensated ones, in any way).

    Is not that I can live with just 1 core set. I am pretty sure that if you can live with that, you could live with expansion sets with some "rare" cards coming just once, others twice, and others three by expansion… :-/

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    I just want to expose my thoughts on one important question about the LCG format and the way taken by FFG to put it into use, as well as I would like to read the opinion of all of you.

    For many players, including me, the format just seemed awesome (probabbly a bit fast realeasing the expansions? but this is quite relative)… until we realize that you have a "trap" to catch more money: the core sets.

    Do not be ingenous, FFG knows that you really want to have 3 copies of each card, just look at the expansions. The Netrunner expansions have even 3 copies of each identity card, when you are just going to use 1 even playing 2 friends with the same set!

    I am a (in principle happy) owner of 2 Netrunner core sets + all the released expansions (I even have the first big expansion pre-purchased in Amazon right now), and LotR LCG catched my attention quite much since some time. The more I read about the game, the more I want it, but I just stop and say NO. I already paid for being newbie to the FFG LCGs and I do not want to pay that again. I am no way going to buy just one core set and have 1/3 of a set, and I am no way to buy more than one core set just because a company sells them in that greedy way to be able to get more money selling a "closed set" when it is really 1/3 of a proper set compared to all the other sets released after. I am not even happy with my 2 Netrunner coresets right now after so much time… and I am not going to pay the amounts required for the cards that I want to have 3 times by ebay or similar.

    Just a bad noob move at start from FFG? I do not think so. If it was that, they would just had released a complementary card set to fix it. Have you heard about that? Have you found it in Amazon? No? Me neither.

    But, on the other hand… I REALLY want this other game also, and the quality of the games and materials from many FFG is really amazing, a real good work. A solution? It does not exist for me, but exist for FFG. FFG can think of how many players are doing the same as me, potential players because we already preriodically buy expansion for other games, but we already pass throgh the pain of having to buy 2-3 core sets to be able to have a proper set and we do not want to pay the hazing again .

    And please, do not tell me one core set is enough. Why do you buy an expansion and find the same amount of all the copies? Was it just a matter of doing the core set cheaper for the casual players? No, because as I said, I do not see any "complementary set" to buy in any of the FFG games. The "complete starter set" costs 3x30-40$/€. Too much for just that…

    So, are they going to do the same with all the new LCG games in the future? And more important, are you really going to buy them if they continue with that phylosophy? Because they decide what to do depending of what they think the people are going to buy or not. So I just want you to give your opinion. Please ask for a change in the core set formats and/or add complementary core sets!

    FFG, really, if you start producing a complementary set (just a box with some "already used" art and the cards inside, nothing else, you do not need to pay for more art nor for new card designs to get more money), I will start buying your LotR LCG right at that moment. I really think that you will be able to earn more money if you release that "complementary core set", because some people just do not want to buy the 2nd core set because it is not going to be "complete" anyways, but if you realease that at the same price of the core set (which is unfair for us!), I think that many people are going to buy them, people that was not going to buy the 2nd core set. And everybody would be happy with the format.

    And just for the record, I bought the Netrunner because I LOVE cyberpunk, because I LOVE card games, because I LOVE (D) Magic the Gathering/Richard Garfield, and because people gave very nice scores to the game, but I was about no NOT to buy the game because of the awful core set format dilema.

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