Jump to content

mazz0

Members
 View Profile  See their activity

  • Content Count

    5,133

  • Joined

  • Last visited

Posts posted by mazz0

  1. Posted · Edited by mazz0

    6 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

    I suppose a third option is that the decision is irrational.  Which doesn't make the writing poor.  It then becomes very hard to say the New Republic's actions were irrational when A. we don't know much of the picture, and B. we've been debating this on the internet for most of the morning, which in and of itself makes this controversial.

    That's true.  And to be fair there are lots of rather questionable decisions made in Star Wars.

    The Jabbawookie reacted to this

  2. Posted

    3 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

    People who play other games will always be making judgement calls.  Doesn't matter what price you make something.

    I mean, in all honesty - one should be making those judgement calls.

    ...

    Absolutely it's a judgement call, based on how much enjoyment you'll be getting from this toy compared to others (and other non-toy related things) you could spend that same amount on.  For myself and many people I know Armada has always made that a hard judgement call since for what you get you pay a lot.  Here, the value the product offers you in enjoyment terms isn't increased compared to others in the game, but the price is, substantially.  The judgement call equation is different here, that's for sure.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a terrible deal or that I definitely won't be buying it.  I'm really just articulating my shock at that price, and how much higher it is than other things that bring a similar amount of enjoyment (such as, but not only, other Armada ships).

  3. Posted

    1 minute ago, The Jabbawookie said:

    either the decision was based off reasons you don't know of or made by characters living in that galaxy who disagreed with you.

    Ergo, any claim that they should have done this doesn't hold weight.

    Or it was a poor bit of writing, that's possible too.

  5. Posted

    31 minutes ago, LordCola said:

    I did not quite make it through Aftermath but I do remember there is a part where a guy travels to the seat of the New Republic Senat just to complain about the exact thing I described. The New Republic came and "liberated" them from the Empire. Once the Empire was gone the New Republic too recalled their forces there too and now the world is controlled by crime and the people of the world would rather have the empire back. A fate many other worlds shared. This is canonically a fact.

     

    Oh, they did share objectives. One of the primary purposes of an ISD was to protect the Empire against pirates and the likes. But at the same time ISD where also there to subjugate the civilian population. They are a symbol of oppression. I believe the New Republic has chosen to a different path than the whole subjugation thing. 

    That makes sense.  But at this point, when this man approaches the Republic to complain, is he going to say "please send ships to deal with the pirates and crime lords, unless they're star destroyers in which case forget about it"?

  6. Posted

    2 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

    Let me put it this way: more of the galaxy’s denizens have seen an Imperial Star Destroyer than the Rebel emblem.  In combining the two, you aren’t purifying the sight of a Star Destroyer, you are dragging your own symbol through the mud.  And even if changing the meaning of the ISD was your intention, (the economic angle sure clouds that) it’s just not the New Republic Navy’s decision whether that symbol is acceptable.  That call belongs to the Wookiees, the Alderaanians, and countless other species and worlds who have lived through the worst the Empire has to offer.

    I just can't buy that at all.   To start with how many ordinary people are going to have seen any kind of big military ships?  It would be a strong argument against keeping storm trooper armour, but for ships less on that ground.  Maybe people've seen them on new reports, in which case they'll also be familiar with the new republic colours, as I'm pretty sure that would be big news.  It's a technologically advances civilization, information will travel. 

  7. Posted

    1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

    Absolutely Not.

    I mean.  We're *literally* getting ships at about the rate of 1/year if we're honest.  
    (These will be Q4, Clone Wars isn't until 2020)...  Which means my Armada Support cost is about $120 a Year.

    That's...  Not bad for a Hobby.

    Well that's good, I want people to keep buying into the game, and I'm worried fewer people will at that price (especially people who are also into other games, eg X-Wing).

  8. Posted

    11 minutes ago, Ling27 said:

    Eh. It looks like a big model. While other models, like the ISD are large, you can mostly get away with it being pretty hollow.

    It would be hard for the Star Hawk to not need a ton of internal support, causing more materials to be needed, raising the price.

    Does that matter?  I'd have thought it was the detail that cost, not the raw material.  Now I imagine it does have more detail than the ISD, but that much?

    Regardless, I assume there's a formula that means it does makes sense from FFG's point of view, but what about customers?  Aren't people put off buying it at that price?  For me this wave may be my first pass.

    thestag and benskywalker reacted to this

  9. Posted

    3716r7.jpg

    I'm surprised the forum is talking about anything else.

    I have at least one of every item they sell for Armada, including the SSD (Super happy with it by the way! 😁) and multiples of many, so I'm surely in their core audience for things like this, but £75 for the Starhawk - are they serious?!  The SSD is huge and iconic, and it still gave me pause for thought before I ordered it (not a long pause, admittedly), but this is neither of those things (yes I know the SSD costs twice as much, but it's also far, far more than twice as big, iconic and pretty).

    Right, rant over.  Sorry if this has already been discussed much elsewhere and has perhaps just dropped off the front page, or is hidden under an unrelated title, or if I just went blind.  I was just surprised it wasn't the top topic of discussion.

     

    GhengisharnIV, Kani Kantai, chrismcw and 6 others reacted to this

  10. Posted

    16 minutes ago, LordCola said:

    There was no local system administration. The Empire ran all those world.

    There was lots of local administration, it's a big part of the Rebels cartoon.  Its leadership was Imperial because the Empire was in charge, but removing the empire doesn't mean all that administrative infrastructure and personal leaves too, that would be assuming a huge amount of loyalty to the Empire.   Where does this pirate fleet come from anyway - did the Empire allow it to exist, or is it built very quickly after the Empire falls?

    16 minutes ago, LordCola said:

    Not sure on that one since that was more or less the main purpose the ISD was build for.

    I thought one of the main arguments against keeping the IDSs was "the rebels don't have the same purpose for their ships that the Empire did"?  If it turns out they do and those ships are well suited for new republic purposes then getting rid of them is even sillier.

  12. Posted

    9 minutes ago, LordCola said:

    Actually I think they need to do that even more than the empire did. One problem after Endor was that the New Republic did not have enough forces to secure worlds they "liberated" from the Empire. The result was a power vacuum on many, many world that was mostly filled by pirates and gangsters. (Many world were worse of after their "liberation" than before) So the New RepubSlic has a lot of patroling over civilian world to do.

    I don't really know enough about the inter-film stories to get into that, seems odd that pirates etc had more resources than local system administrations.  Did the Empire allow that deliberately for some reason?  You'd also think big battleships, triangular or otherwise, would make poor planetary police craft though, and a lack of forces to secure worlds would suggest they need to be even more careful about how they spend their limited resources.

  13. Posted

    1 minute ago, Freeptop said:

    The problem with your idea is this: You're on a planet that just threw off the yoke of an oppressive regime. Suddenly large war machines of that same regime show up in your skies. I doubt the first reaction is going to be to greet the people in them as liberators. Even once they identified themselves, you're going to wonder if they're just the same thing with a different name.

    The New Republic would not have started producing new Star Destroyer variants. They'd want their new ships to be recognizable as liberators. Not be associated with the oppressors. Captured vessels are going to be more useful for intelligence purposes than warfighting, as well.

    It's not like the United States started using Japanese naval ships they captured during WWII in its own Navy. They used them as targets for weapons tests, while building new ships for their own use.

    I think you're picturing an unrealistic situation.  Why are they showing up in my skies?  This isn't the empire, the Republic doesn't need to park ships in super visible places to constantly remind people of their power.  Also, they have galaxy-wide communications and news networks.  Not even the ruler of the most remote system is going to be ignorant of the situation and of who you are.  The first thing they see of you is going to be information from the network, followed by long distance communications long before you're in visual range, so nobody's going to be forming their opinions of the new republic based on what ships they fly.

  14. Posted

    29 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

    I feel you only saw the last two words of the post.  Because there’s the logical, informed reaction — which only some subset of the galaxy will understand to begin with — and there’s the visceral reaction, which, in humans, is often much stronger.  And the fact that visceral reaction exists changes the logical one.  Don’t tell your WW2 grandpa that the bocage is good now because he liberated it.  It will never be good to him.

    No, I'm just disagreeing with you.  Seeing formerly enemy ships now in your colours can invoke a visceral reaction too.  I'm not sure how important any of that is though - how often are ordinary people causally going to see these ships?

  15. Posted

    4 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

    You're assuming a very high degree of knowledge and cultural similarity.  It's debatable whether humans make up the majority of sentients in the galaxy.  Then we have societal differences, or how you might feel if that triangle was the last thing you saw before you were enslaved/your family killed, or whether you speak basic, or whether you know anything about the New Republic to begin with.  The galaxy is a big place.  If the New Republic walks around in Stormtrooper armor, or commandeered AT-ATs (which, by the same logic, are definite military improvements to crappy blue jackets and your own two feet,) these are symbols that have had a lot more time to become understood than they have, and that transcend language, culture and species.

    Perhaps more importantly, you're sending a clear message to people who do know the story: "We realize these are terror and occupation weapons specifically designed to spread fear, pain and suffering among innocents... but we prioritize a cost-effective war machine, for the wars we definitely don't plan on fighting."

    Bad PR.

    "We've overthrown your oppressors and turned their weapons against them and against anyone else who tries to do the same thing (I'm looking at you Mr Hux), as a reminder to them that their evil plans will fail as Palpatine's did"

    Good PR.

    The PR position is obviously debatable and would probably be very hard to prove in universe.  Given that the economy is probably in an extremely poor state practical considerations should win out - don't waste money rebuilding ships when you could be spending it rebuilding planets.

  16. Posted

    46 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

    This. Plus ISDs were predominantly designed to be good at things that the New Republic was largely uninterested in (terror, orbital bombardment, wholesale destruction, etc.). The whole design was intended to be intimidating and compel immediate and total subjugation. Meanwhile the overpowered tractor array is a very clear sign of non-lethality at least in theory and battlefield psychology.

    Yeah maybe.  Kinda feels like there'd be a cheaper, more lightweight method of refit that would have done the job more efficiently though.

  17. Posted

    57 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

    I would imagine it's not about confusion.  Overthrowing the Empire and then using the exact same ships that destroyed inhabited cities and were a symbol of terror is pretty bad PR.

    Plus, it bankrolls the ever-hungry and newly idle military industrial complex.

    They've overthrown the empire and nicked their ships.  I think that's pretty *good* PR.  I personally would not think less of my liberators for using the ships they've seized from my oppressors, and I don't think many people would.

  20. Posted

    I don't really get this "scrapping Star Destroyers to not scare people" idea.  They have mass media, people will know what's going on.  The public aren't just going to be looking into the sky through their telescopes and panicking when they see triangles.  Seems like an utterly absurd waste of resources to me.

    Smuggler reacted to this

  21. Posted

    I would put money on the Star Hawk being in Resistance and FFG being shown the design.  It's got the cartoony vibrant colours and blocky paint job and Resistance's chunky aesthetic, plus there's FFG not boasting about designing it.

    So how do we think the big gun works on the Onager?  You can double it up with the front arc, or perhaps it hits every ship in arc?

  24. Posted

    4 hours ago, Subhntr said:

    If you can get it flat, another option is to pin the joint.  Ask if anyone at your FLGS has a pin vise - a tiny hand drill - you can borrow.  Drill a little bit into each side of the join, clip off a section of paperclip, and glue it inside the hole when you glue it together.

    It's what I do anytime something like that breaks.

    I have one of those tiny hand drills already (two in fact, not sure why - a Citadel one and a little wooden one) so that's an option :)

    Subhntr reacted to this
×
×
  • Create New...